Voch breaks down Dak's performance vs Detroit Lions

[khiladi]

Where did you dig up this guy.....VOCH sounds like a car battery.......
P.S.Did not waste my time watching the video....

Watch it and behold how it’s nothing but average at best, a showcase in Dak staring down his WR, making it very easy for safeties to defend. It’s a treat of mental gymnastics.

“Dak can throw into tight windows as this throw demonstrates, IF the safety wasn’t there…”

Voch basically said that..

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I called out his analysis because you posted his video on a forum to talk about. I’m not in anyway afraid of Voch like Dak is afraid of zone coverage and a decent defense. Not sure what your harping on.

Im just not bothered to call into some random guys podcast. You can tell him to come on this forum that has existed way longer than his podcast ever did.

Voch isn't some random guy with a podcast. Just because you haven't heard about him doesn't make him a random guy. Look up who is paying him

 

[Momanpr100]

You started this thread knowing darn well you intended to stir up discontent, and then you lash out at the first person who points out the flaws. So typical.....

Your hero will never win the big one, so keep pounding you chest over the meaningless stats. That's all you will ever have.

Hasn't your parents taught you to never say never

 

[khiladi]

Voch isn't some random guy with a podcast. Just because you haven't heard about him doesn't make him a random guy. Look up who is paying him

Is he paid by Todd France or Tad Prescott?

Where can I apply to be a FREE LANCE NFL talent evaluator of draft prospects?

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Bottom line, this defense that the Cowboys are hiding behind is much better at playing with a lead. If they want to make it deep into the playoffs the offense can't be hiding and just hoping to limit their mistakes and not CHOKE, they need to play at a playoff quality level too, something we've rarely seen out of this QB. Fingers crossed.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Is he paid by Todd France or Tad Prescott?

Where can I apply to be a FREE LANCE NFL talent evaluator of draft prospects?

Try Cowherd

 

[McKDaddy]

The film doesn't lie .... but that doesn't mean Voch's analysis is correct. I assume this is the same video I watched last night.

Voch said he didn't condone a couple of the throws ..... but then went out of his way to try to minimize Dak throwing those balls. On two of the plays, a third Detroit defenders off their coverage area which did make it look like triple coverage. However, it was still double coverage with bad angles and not good decisions to attack there.

The shorter pass where the safety appeared to be drifting to the sidelines to cover another area and then spun around to where the receiver was seemed more like Detroit knowing tendencies and Dak obliging by predetermining he was going there with the ball. Post snap he should have read the two defenders were in good coverage. He could have went to the left side where Gallup had cut inside his guy and might well have taken it to the house. He never addressed that in his analysis.

Bottom line, Voch admits they weren't good decisions but as a Dak fan he then tries to gloss over them. We were lucky to get away with them. That should be the take away for anyone who watches the film.

 

[Momanpr100]

LOL..

Man trying to say “it would have been a tight window throw” if the safety wasn’t there.l at 5 minutes…

How does Voch even know Dak is seeing the “bottom safety” with his hips out at 5:16? This guy operates under a lot of assumptions, which is comical because he’s ignoring the one main thing that can provide some detail into what Dak is allegedly seeing, which is by LOOKING DIRECTLY AT DAK.

I mean Voch, you even circle the safety and point out how his hips are turned at 5:55-6:00, but why not circle where DAK’S HIPS and HELMET ARE TURNED? I can guarantee you one thing, they are not facing anywhere in the location of where that safety is

Please Voch inform me how Dak is seeing the bottom safety turning his hip out, when Dak begins his read to the “top WR” and then goes immediately over the middle to CeeDee?

Dak didn’t even look like he dissect it was cover 2, or he did but he had a brain fart, because he looks to the top WR and then throws immediately over the top, ignoring the bottom safety.

This is just a typical example of Dak not being able to READ DEFENSES.

I keep telling you Dak can throw on his early reads, but he’s a mental midget and can’t process a defense to save his life. So yeah Voch that may have been a “tight window” if there was only one defender, but guess what? There wasn’t because Dak is just a mental midget at the QB position.

Why are you not a scout or something? All the bs you spew here, we would think you're a professional or something

 

[jterrell]

This is the Greens versus the Blacks and if you think Dak sucks you go on ignore and if I see you in person I am screaming "Dracarys".

 

[Vandyr]

You started this thread knowing darn well you intended to stir up discontent, and then you lash out at the first person who points out the flaws. So typical.....

Your hero will never win the big one, so keep pounding you chest over the meaningless stats. That's all you will ever have.

The insane lengths they go to prop this guy up. It's crazy.

 

[khiladi]

The film doesn't lie .... but that doesn't mean Voch's analysis is correct. I assume this is the same video I watched last night.

Voch said he didn't condone a couple of the throws ..... but then went out of his way to try to minimize Dak throwing those balls. On two of the plays, a third Detroit defenders off their coverage area which did make it look like triple coverage. However, it was still double coverage with bad angles and not good decisions to attack there.

The shorter pass where the safety appeared to be drifting to the sidelines to cover another area and then spun around to where the receiver was seemed more like Detroit knowing tendencies and Dak obliging by predetermining he was going there with the ball. Post snap he should have read the two defenders were in good coverage. He could have went to the left side where Gallup had cut inside his guy and might well have taken it to the house. He never addressed that in his analysis.

Bottom line, Voch admits they weren't good decisions but as a Dak fan he then tries to gloss over them. We were lucky to get away with them. That should be the take away for anyone who watches the film.

Yep.. it’s basically Dak starting down WRs. It was bad decision making. The fact his spiral was nice throeing in you double coverage, doesn’t mean it’s a good play.

He also said that Rush couldn’t capitalize off TOs like Dak did this week. Besides the fact, scoring 1 TD in garbage time when your defense generated 5 against the worst defense in the league is not taking advantage of anything, the defense didn’t give Rush a single TO to work with last game. And Rush is 3-1 when the defense doesn’t get a TO, while Dak since last year is 0-3 since last year and he’s awful overall if the Cowboys don’t win the TO margin.

If anything, Dak has proven he can’t win if the defense doesn’t help him out.

 

[Vtwin]

Voch isn't some random guy with a podcast. Just because you haven't heard about him doesn't make him a random guy. Look up who is paying him

I did a very brief lookup and he seems to be just another fan with a camera and a little ambition.

What is in his background that separates him from any of the longtime, avid fans that post on this forum? What makes him anymore of an expert than you or I?

 

[McKDaddy]

Don't backpeddle now tough guy. Be a man. I dare you to call in on Voch's podcast, state what name you go by here on CowboysZone and tell him he is wrong on everything he explained on this tape. This way I or someone else can post that podcast debate video here for everyone to see how smart and correct you are.

AC - Voch admitted that a couple those throws shouldn't have been thrown. He did not say Dak did everything correct. Voch is clearly a Dak supporter and tried to downplay the decisions .... but he did acknowledge they weren't the best decisions.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I did a very brief lookup and he seems to be just another fan with a camera and a little ambition.

What is in his background that separates him from any of the longtime, avid fans that post on this forum? What makes him anymore of an expert than you or I?

Do some more research

Also the guy that does his show with him is Skywalker Steele who does a show with Jesse Holly on game days

 

[America's Cowboy]

Why are you not a scout or something? All the bs you spew here, we would think you're a professional or something

He's not. He's just good at bs'ing. The real funny thing is most professional analysts, coaches and players disagree with what he's saying.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I'm not sure this video was the Dak vindication the OP thinks it is. Voch even ended the video saying something along the lines of "It's a rusty comeback but ill take it"

We saw some good throws by Dak, we also saw some bad throws that Voch tries to vindicate by saying it was still good anticipation? Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't but those "good anticipation throws" still had 3-4 Lion jerseys around the football by the time the ball got there.

There is some good to pull out of this game from Dak, and the offense in general to be honest. After weeks of watching Cooper Rush now going back to Dak it is clear as can be that Dak is twice as gifted physically. Stronger arm, moves around better, etc.

This was his first game back, but I see no issues with saying that Dak will need to play better as we get into stronger teams on the schedule. Yeah it may have been good anticipation because of the way the safetys hips were facing, but I don't buy into that as a positive when the ball still almost got intercepted.

Overall a decent video, I may even look up more of his, but I'm going to grade my QB a little harsher than this.

 

[Vandyr]

The video doesn't lie. Time and time again, he is only accurate on 10 yard tosses and even then it's a crap shoot. He can't freaking hit a receiver in running stride. That one to Gallup was an embarrassment. A freshman in college would have made that 9 out of 10 times in stride for a TD.

When the game gets into crunch mode he just doesn't see or read defenses or safeties at all. Thus he throws into triple coverage. And his triple coverage throws are not in tight windows. That one with ceedee, he had to stop to make a catch on it.

And keep in mind this is all against the worst defense in the league.

I proudly stand up as a Dak hater because you homers need someone to help keep this grounded in reality. He is an average QB we are overpaying for and he has never been that accurate. We are in year 7. I just have to keep waiting maybe around year 11 and no SBs I will finally get to dredge up all of these posts and call out all of you Dak homers.

Maybe then you will realize you have 0 football IQ.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Is he paid by Todd France or Tad Prescott?

Where can I apply to be a FREE LANCE NFL talent evaluator of draft prospects?

Dak's PR Dept. spends a ton to try and keep Fraudo relevant as his offense puts everyone to sleep.......zzzzzzzzz huh did we score zzzzzz.....oh a TD with 1 min left on the clock so Dak can pad those stats....oh zzzzzz.zzz....zzzz

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I did a very brief lookup and he seems to be just another fan with a camera and a little ambition.

What is in his background that separates him from any of the longtime, avid fans that post on this forum? What makes him anymore of an expert than you or I?

By the way I think folks on this forum is more right then professionals..... Most of the time

 

[America's Cowboy]

AC - Voch admitted that a couple those throws shouldn't have been thrown. He did not say Dak did everything correct. Voch is clearly a Dak supporter and tried to downplay the decisions .... but he did acknowledge they weren't the best decisions.

Those 2 throws were not capable of being intercepted since our receivers got at least 1 hand of them in tight coverage. All the great QBs make such attempts, but Dak makes 2 and the Dak haters go nuts with accusations that don't fully or properly tell the whole story.