Wade - a soft closer?

[windward]

Another thing-that whole Flutie/Johnson QB controversy that Wade (supposedly)started-it was actually RALPH WILSON'S call to start RJ in that "Music City Miracle" game. I'm surprised the mediots and fans fail to recognize this, continually.

BTW-Wilson was also the same idiot who canned Bill Polian, one of the brightest GMs in the business.

and they would have won had it not been for a freak miracle play.

 

[Boysboy]

You skewed the results with the 98 and 99 Bills. You won't admit that.

and Wade is not among the worst of coaches no matter how much you want to spin it.

Or maybe this OP starter is tr1, bubba, or one of those ES clowns in disguise?

 

[windward]

Or maybe this OP starter is tr1, bubba, or one of those ES clowns in disguise?

He's not unfortunately. Was a pretty good poster until Parcells left and apparently has progressively taken a negative slant on the Cowboys and Wade in particular.

 

[Boysboy]

and they would have won had it not been for a freak miracle play.

FWIW-I'd take Wade over Jim Fassel, anyday. So what if he took a Giants team with average talent to the big dance? So what if the Giants would have strong Decembers every year(except for his last year there, that is)?

He was nonetheless a terrible coach who ignored discipline, and was ultimately nothing more than someone who would pull tricks out of his hat to whip up his team, until his hat become empty eventually.

Anyhow-I'll bet if, let's say, Jerry fired Wade and hired this clown, this OP would be :beer2:

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I can picture the ad campaign now....

The 2008 Dallas Cowboys: Hey, even the worst of coaches eventually has an anomaly year.

Get your season tickets, now !!!

And I can picture your response next year:

"Don't blame Parcells for the Dolphins 4-12 season. He didn't have any talent and [insert players' names here] sufferred from injuries"

 

[Beast_from_East]

Wade Phillips just completed his 6th complete season as a head coach. Is there a trend here?

Year 1 - Started 7-4, ended 2-4
Year 2 - Started 7-6, ended 0-3
Year 3 - Started 7-4, ended 3-3
Year 4 - Started 7-3, ended 4-3
Year 5 - Started 7-4, ended 1-4
Year 6 - Started 12-1, ended 1-3

0-4 in the playoffs.

Is this a coach that can put the whip to the horse on the stretch run?

Doesnt matter.

Wade is just keeping the seat warm for Garrett. Unless Wade gets the team to the SB next year, he is good as gone and Garrett is HC in 09 "the inaugrual season" of JerryWorld.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Sigh

To unsuspecting readers, Inmanroshi is a closet Parcells homer and supports him by defending him or attacking Wade Phillips

....but I'll play along. Look, there is no doubt Parcells is and was a better coach than Wade Phillips, but that doesn't mean Wade wasn't a better choice for this veteran group of players that no longer was responding to being yelled at and having a conservative game plan. Parcells knew it too which is why he bailed. This is also why Wade surpassed Parcells with a 13-3 record. I don't know how Wade will do in the future but I'm would rather go with Wade at this point than someone like Parcells especially since we are retaining Jason Garrett

A mix of both would have been ideal in the end. But since that isn't possible, Phillips was the best man for the job this season.
That said, the fact still remains Phillips hasn't won a playoff game. I think this was arguably the best team he's ever had a chance to win in the post season with.

I don't know what he needs to do but what he is doing in the post season isn't working where ever he goes.

 

[Beast_from_East]

A mix of both would have been ideal in the end. But since that isn't possible, Phillips was the best man for the job this season.
That said, the fact still remains Phillips hasn't won a playoff game. I think this was arguably the best team he's ever had a chance to win in the post season with.

I don't know what he needs to do but what he is doing in the post season isn't working where ever he goes.

Too late for good ole Wade, Garrett is HC in 09.

This is the worst kept secret in football.

 

[superpunk]

Pretty dumb to just brush the point off because IR liked Parcells. His perceived motive doesn't make his point any more or less valid. We discuss trends on here day and night, this one is either a valid concern or it isn't. Personal preference in coaching is irrelevent - the point either stands or it doesn't.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Pretty dumb to just brush the point off because IR liked Parcells. His perceived motive doesn't make his point any more or less valid. We discuss trends on here day and night, this one is either a valid concern or it isn't. Personal preference in coaching is irrelevent - the point either stands or it doesn't.

Good luck with that. We went 13-3 and 0-1 when it mattered most.
Still we are not supposed to make any points or discuss the 0-1 unless we want to pin it on officials, or your favorite Patrick.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I remember that Sat afternoon '98 Jets game-they got hosed by the officials pretty badly, especially on that game ending Flutie INT where the replay showed the ball hit the ground(Heck, that Jets team benefited from alot of the officials calls that year).

Thank You...THANK YOU for pointing out the FACTS!:hammer:

Fact is Phillips is 0-4 in the Elite eight.:bang2:

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Wade Phillips just completed his 6th complete season as a head coach. Is there a trend here?

Year 1 - Started 7-4, ended 2-4
Year 2 - Started 7-6, ended 0-3
Year 3 - Started 7-4, ended 3-3
Year 4 - Started 7-3, ended 4-3
Year 5 - Started 7-4, ended 1-4
Year 6 - Started 12-1, ended 1-3

0-4 in the playoffs.

Is this a coach that can put the whip to the horse on the stretch run?

Although some look at it like bashing Wade. I do see where you are going.

I think the question that stems from those stats is:

When he lost his team to the "at the cheese".... Why wasnt he able to get them back? His coaching style is great if THE TEAM, the PLAYERS have their act together and are winning.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Although some look at it like bashing Wade. I do see where you are going.

I think the question that stems from those stats is:

When he lost his team to the "at the cheese".... Why wasnt he able to get them back? His coaching style is great if THE TEAM, the PLAYERS have their act together and are winning.

I think (and I could be wrong) that Wades easy as she goes style of coaching works if there are emotional team leaders.
Personaly I don't get how players can not get themselves up for a shot at a SB, but it seems our team can't.

Hopefully we acquire that type of player or some one steps up, Wade is set in his ways.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I think (and I could be wrong) that Wades easy as she goes style of coaching works if there are emotional team leaders.
Personaly I don't get how players can not get themselves up for a shot at a SB, but it seems our team can't.

Hopefully we acquire that type of player or some one steps up, Wade is set in his ways.

While I like the no nonsense types like Jimmy Johnson and the "back in the day" Parcels and the aggressive types. We can win with Wade. I put this on the players. Either we dont have enought good/smart ones and/or the players HAVE TO BE THE ONES TO ELEVATE this team to the next level. We have to stop blaming the coach.

At some point this guys have to look in the mirror and not like what they see... then and only then will they have the focus and determination to go out and make THAT change.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Or maybe this OP starter is tr1, bubba, or one of those ES clowns in disguise?

Oh dear Lord I hope not. They would tell you that the sun is green if it meant bashing the Cowboys or praising the Commanders.

Then the rest of ES would agree with them that the sun is actually green.




YAKUZA

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Another thing-that whole Flutie/Johnson QB controversy that Wade (supposedly)started-it was actually RALPH WILSON'S call to start RJ in that "Music City Miracle" game. I'm surprised the mediots and fans fail to recognize this, continually.

BTW-Wilson was also the same idiot who canned Bill Polian, one of the brightest GMs in the business.

I wish people would understand this more, especially Cowboys fans. Having lived in Syracuse, NY at the time it was pretty well known that Wilson practically forced Wade to start Rob Johnson. Then he also forced him to fire Bruce DeHaven after the Music City Miracle. The next year the Bills had horrible special teams play and Wilson wanted Wade to fire his ST coach that he just hired and Wade refused and Wade was fired or according to Wilson, he quit.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out why the Bills can't break .500






YAKUZA

 

[Yakuza Rich]

While I like the no nonsense types like Jimmy Johnson and the "back in the day" Parcels and the aggressive types. We can win with Wade. I put this on the players. Either we dont have enought good/smart ones and/or the players HAVE TO BE THE ONES TO ELEVATE this team to the next level. We have to stop blaming the coach.

At some point this guys have to look in the mirror and not like what they see... then and only then will they have the focus and determination to go out and make THAT change.

How about not blaming a coach who went 13-4 in his first season with the team? He really exceeded all expectations and did greatly improve the defense (and the offense for that matter).

One year isn't much of an opportunity to prove yourself.





YAKUZA

 

[burmafrd]

Only when he had marv Levy as his coach did the Bills consistently win. Levy was tough enough and respected enough to have his way. Without getting fired. No other coach of the Bills have had that; and that is why there have been no other consistent winning periods there. Wilson is only slightly better then Benson and Bidwell as regards owners.

 

[burmafrd]

with our own trend towards fading in the late season, and having another coach with the same trend, seems like a double whammy.

 

[TNCowboy]

Wade has a history of fading late in the season. Not a surprise.

The real issue is that we have a group of players who have the same history. I point the finger at long-timers like Ellis, Adams, and Roy Williams.

The other Dlineman speak reverentially about Ellis. Do you really want your young DL praising a guy who has been a perennial whiner and complainer? He's going through his annual bout with insecurity. This team lacks tough, veteran leadership, and that's clearly never going to come from Ellis.