Wade - a soft closer?

[windward]

Had Wade gotten to 4-0 in the playoffs, I would agree with you we give Wade "We're Fine" Phillips a break.

But I guess you are in the camp that wants Jerra to let him go to 0-5 in the playoffs.

Wade is soft. You can tell by his body language. His shrugs. His "We're Fine" comments in the face of a late season swoon.

Wade is probably a very decent man.
But as a motivator he is no Jimma Johnson.
Now, luckily we can look forward to 2009 with a real coach in place.

False dilemma. Bringing Phillips back does not guarantee a playoff loss nor does it guarantee a win.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I think it would have been better to maintain a high level of performance down the stretch, and beat a Giants team that we were vastly more talented than.

That was too easy. I think ChocoLapdog has been getting into the fermented kibble.

 

[Boysboy]

Had Wade gotten to 4-0 in the playoffs, I would agree with you we give Wade "We're Fine" Phillips a break.

But I guess you are in the camp that wants Jerra to let him go to 0-5 in the playoffs.

Wade is soft. You can tell by his body language. His shrugs. His "We're Fine" comments in the face of a late season swoon.

Wade is probably a very decent man.
But as a motivator he is no Jimma Johnson.
Now, luckily we can look forward to 2009 with a real coach in place.

*shrugs* We can have Andy Reid, and after every loss, he'll just give that same "I didn't prepare my team well" crap every time, and not to mention whenever he doesn't run the ball much, he'll give that same lost answer every time as well.

 

[wileedog]

*shrugs* We can have Andy Reid, and after every loss, he'll just give that same "I didn't prepare my team well" crap every time, and not to mention whenever he doesn't run the ball much, he'll give that same lost answer every time as well.

He only says that because saying "My quarterback choked again" probably will get him in trouble with Donavan's Momma.

And as Junk and others have mentioned, the problem is this team has no leadership. It is why both Parcells grinding style and Wade's "What me worry?" style have failed in the stretch.

Bellichick is as much of an *** as Parcells ever was. But he has a strong team with veteran leaders who care only about winning. And the younger guys or the even the veteran 'problem' guys like Moss take their cues from them.

That said, I'm not thrilled with the way Wade handled December and January, whatever the record was this season. To use a Parcell's term, his team went off the reservation sometime around halftime of the GB game, and he did nothing to bring anyone back. He showed no sense of urgency through an extremely lackluster month of December. It looked like he even went into cruise control along with the team (although its tough to tell with him what that is).

13-4 doesn't excuse a terrible month+ of coaching, and that is exactly what Wade gave us this year. And I won't be surprised if the exact same thing happens next year because the team 'leaders' like Roy and Ellis are unfortunately probably going nowhere.

 

[Chief]

He only says that because saying "My quarterback choked again" probably will get him in trouble with Donavan's Momma.

And as Junk and others have mentioned, the problem is this team has no leadership. It is why both Parcells grinding style and Wade's "What me worry?" style have failed in the stretch.

Bellichick is as much of an *** as Parcells ever was. But he has a strong team with veteran leaders who care only about winning. And the younger guys or the even the veteran 'problem' guys like Moss take their cues from them.

That said, I'm not thrilled with the way Wade handled December and January, whatever the record was this season. To use a Parcell's term, his team went off the reservation sometime around halftime of the GB game, and he did nothing to bring anyone back. He showed no sense of urgency through an extremely lackluster month of December. It looked like he even went into cruise control along with the team (although its tough to tell with him what that is).

13-4 doesn't excuse a terrible month+ of coaching, and that is exactly what Wade gave us this year. And I won't be surprised if the exact same thing happens next year because the team 'leaders' like Roy and Ellis are unfortunately probably going nowhere.

Good post.

 

[Boysboy]

He only says that because saying "My quarterback choked again" probably will get him in trouble with Donavan's Momma.

And as Junk and others have mentioned, the problem is this team has no leadership. It is why both Parcells grinding style and Wade's "What me worry?" style have failed in the stretch.

Bellichick is as much of an *** as Parcells ever was. But he has a strong team with veteran leaders who care only about winning. And the younger guys or the even the veteran 'problem' guys like Moss take their cues from them.

That said, I'm not thrilled with the way Wade handled December and January, whatever the record was this season. To use a Parcell's term, his team went off the reservation sometime around halftime of the GB game, and he did nothing to bring anyone back. He showed no sense of urgency through an extremely lackluster month of December. It looked like he even went into cruise control along with the team (although its tough to tell with him what that is).

13-4 doesn't excuse a terrible month+ of coaching, and that is exactly what Wade gave us this year. And I won't be surprised if the exact same thing happens next year because the team 'leaders' like Roy and Ellis are unfortunately probably going nowhere.

Well like I said, I'm very dissapointed too with the way Wade handled everything down the stretch, and I won't put on my homer glasses and argue 'till my hearts content on the contrary.

However-our main point is that no matter WHO we hire as our HC, it seems, the results will always be the same. I remember alot of us last year wanted Mike Singletary or Ron Rivera-I agreed too-but we would still be sitting here scratching our heads at this moment if either were were hired instead.

 

[wileedog]

Well like I said, I'm very dissapointed too with the way Wade handled everything down the stretch, and I won't put on my homer glasses and argue 'till my hearts content on the contrary.

However-our main point is that no matter WHO we hire as our HC, it seems, the results will always be the same. I remember alot of us last year wanted Mike Singletary or Ron Rivera-I agreed too-but we would still be sitting here scratching our heads at this moment if either were were hired instead.

Possibly true and a good point. We may not see real success until some of the baggage on the roster is dropped or a younger group of players with better attitudes start taking over leadership positions no matter who is coaching.

But given this team's lack of ability to lead itself, one could argue that putting a HC in place whose entire philosophy centers on the the team leading itself wasn't the best idea. A more disciplined Rivera or driven Singletary might have still managed to get the team to respond without being Parcell's like.

The team we lost to last week has just as much if not more problem personalities on the roster, but Coughlin - one of the biggest arses in sports - has them running through an amazing stretch run because he adjusted his style just slightly and the team has responded.

THe point is maybe we didn't have to swing all the way back from a Parcells to the opposite extreme in Wade. Maybe someone more balanced would have been the best bet on a team that clearly does not have the veteran leadership to stop a December slide once it starts (again).

 

[windward]

Possibly true and a good point. We may not see real success until some of the baggage on the roster is dropped or a younger group of players with better attitudes start taking over leadership positions.

But given this team's lack of ability to lead itself, one could argue that putting a HC in place whose entire philosophy centers on the the team leading itself wasn't the best idea. A more disciplined Rivera or driven Singletary might have still managed to get the team to respond without being Parcell's like.

The team we lost to last week has just as much if not more problem personalities on the roster, but Coughlin - one of the biggest arses in sports - has them running through an amazing stretch run because he adjusted his style just slightly and the team has responded.

THe point is maybe we didn't have to swing all the way back from a Parcells to the opposite extreme in Wade. Maybe someone more balanced would have been the best bet on a team that clearly does not have the veteran leadership to stop a December slide once it starts (again).

well, for better or worse, we will see how Wade does next year. Maybe the team will learn how to play after they've been establsihed as the clear-cut favorite in the conference.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

He was "bashed" by me because his so-called facts were a bit skewed. His original premise was that Wade's teams always fade down the stretch and implied that this trend would continue. First off, Wade's teams did not fade down the stretch in 1998 or 1999( He just arbitrarily grabbed a varying sample of games to prove his point)

Second off, I gave an example that past results did not unilaterally indicate future results (I used Norv, could of used Belichick's first five seasons in as a HC or someone else it doesn't matter)

Nothing to do with Parcells, but everything to do with a willingness to bash Wade at every opportunity

Am I, as IR so beautifully put it, a member of the First Order of the White Knights of Wade? Of course not. I just think it's unfair to castigate a man for a 13-4 season in his first year on the job. This team is set up in the next few years(at least) to compete for championships and Super Bowls. If Wade cannot get us to that level than he probably will need to be let go.

Until then I will not kick dirt prematurely on the man.

I read every thing you write. I also agree with you 99% of the time.
Facts are facts, Phillips is now 0-4 in the playoffs.
It's just that simple.

 

[windward]

I read every thing you write. I also agree with you 99% of the time.
Facts are facts, Phillips is now 0-4 in the playoffs.
It's just that simple.

Fair enough. We'll see if he can add to the win column next year.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Fair enough. We'll see if he can add to the win column next year.

Here's to hoping. I don't care if the Jolly green giant or Jerry himself is coaching. We need post season wins.

 

[windward]

Here's to hoping. I don't care if the Jolly green giant or Jerry himself is coaching. We need post season wins.

12 seasons is too long

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I wanna know if postseason wins is the barometer of a good head coach, or overall record?

junk and wileedog stated it best, it's on the players, we need some rah-rah guys on this team, cuz Wade's style isn't going to get anyone fired up, and neither is Romo's, they make you feel comfortable, but that's about it

 

[windward]

I wanna know if postseason wins is the barometer of a good head coach, or overall record?

junk and wileedog stated it best, it's on the players, we need some rah-rah guys on this team, cuz Wade's style isn't going to get anyone fired up, and neither is Romo's, they make you feel comfortable, but that's about it

I'm hinging my hopes on that being a maturation process and that process ought to come to fruition or else.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm hinging my hopes on that being a maturation process and that process ought to come to fruition or else.

I thought Hamlin was supposed to be that guy, but he seemed just as timid on the field to our players as Watkins was last year

 

[khiladi]

For one, I could care less what peoples' opinions are-heck, the more different, the better, b/c it brings good discussion.

However-there were MANY holes in Wade's coaching record that were pointed out, and I'll point them out again...

1994 - Elway was INJURED in the last 3 games(when they went winless). What if Romo missed the last month of the season? Would we be winning games with noodle-arm Brad Johnson?

1998 - The Bills won THREE of their LAST 4 games(although IR tried to make it sound like the Bills were nothing more than a .500 club down the stretch). Their lone loss here was to the AFCE Champ Jets.

1999 - The Bills won SIX of their LAST 8 games. Oh, and IR failed to point out that it was RALPH WILSON who forced Phillips to start Rob Johnson over Flutie in that "Music City Miracle" game.

Am I defending Wade? No. Do I hold him accountable for our late season swoon this year? Yes. However-most of the responders on this thread are quite surprised by all the holes IR had in Wade's coaching record.

This is going to be a very interesting offseason. Will we get better player personnel for Wade's schemes? Was Wade REALLY that laid-back, to the point where the players will lose respect for him as time goes on? I don't know-but yet another playoff loss adds to more frustration.

Nice post....

 

[burmafrd]

I think we did go too far the other way with Wade from BP. The so called quiet types like Dungy are tough when they have to be; they just are not as loud and obvious about it as BP is. I question whether Wade is tough enough to force the team to toe the line when it matters. Clearly from the GB game on the players and team let off the gas and started to coast. And from all apperances and all evidence Wade did nothing about it.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Possibly true and a good point. We may not see real success until some of the baggage on the roster is dropped or a younger group of players with better attitudes start taking over leadership positions no matter who is coaching.

But given this team's lack of ability to lead itself, one could argue that putting a HC in place whose entire philosophy centers on the the team leading itself wasn't the best idea. A more disciplined Rivera or driven Singletary might have still managed to get the team to respond without being Parcell's like.

The team we lost to last week has just as much if not more problem personalities on the roster, but Coughlin - one of the biggest arses in sports - has them running through an amazing stretch run because he adjusted his style just slightly and the team has responded.

THe point is maybe we didn't have to swing all the way back from a Parcells to the opposite extreme in Wade. Maybe someone more balanced would have been the best bet on a team that clearly does not have the veteran leadership to stop a December slide once it starts (again).[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more. The Giants wanted Coughlin gone so bad they could taste it. Management stuck to their guns Tom eased up a hair and here they are. We needed to be between Parcells and Phillips.

 

[chinch]

Wade - a soft closer?

why the use of the ?

the guy is as soft as jello

 

[windward]

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I couldn't agree more. The Giants wanted Coughlin gone so bad they could taste it. Management stuck to their guns Tom eased up a hair and here they are. We needed to be between Parcells and Phillips.

Which may or may not preclude Phillips being here. It remains to be seen how Phillips will adjust next year.