Wade Said No Receivers In First Round, Interesting

[silverbear]

And most of us remember Bill and Jerry saying the same thing. Bill's not a fan of #1 WRs and I've heard Jerry echo that sentiment.

Yeah, that Michael Irvin sure did suck, didn't he??

 

[Martice]

Or maybe Wade is eluding that the wow player could be a WR that has already shown he can handle the NFL....

That's what I was thinking. We can still get a "wow" WR in FA. That still leaves room for a CB or RB. With JJ just about out of here, we still need one more RB that has the potential to be better than JJ.

I think our WR (if we get one) will come from FA.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Yeah, that Michael Irvin sure did suck, didn't he??

I think he snorted not sucked! :laugh2:

Just kiddin'!

I love me some M.I.88!

 

[Big Dakota]

Yeah, that Michael Irvin sure did suck, didn't he??

I guess a blind bear can find his nut once:laugh2:

I tell ya what my friend, why don't you list(cause i will!) the Cowboy greats at WR that HAVE NOT been a #1 as opposed to those that were #1's(please list Harper so i can laugh at you some more). I guess you got Mike, and then you are a lonely muther F'R.

 

[smarta5150]

The Cowboys are probably expecting Mario Mannigham to be there in the 2nd I guess

 

[Big Dakota]

Oh i can see ya diggin, but to no avail:laugh2:

 

[Beast_from_East]

WR is often one of the most drafted positions in the 1st round. Let's take a look at the WRs drafted Rd 1 from 2003-2005 (giving the WRs a chance to be in, at least, their 3rd season).

2005:
Braylon Edwards - 155 catches for 2439 yards and 21 TD
Troy Williamson - 74 catches for 1028 yards and 3 TD
Mike Williams - 44 catches for 539 yards and 2 TD
Matt Jones - 89 catches for 1186 yards and 10 TD
Mark Clayton - 145 catches 1758 yards and 7 TD
Roddy White - 121 catches 1872 yards and 7 TD

Of this class only Braylon Edwards is an unquestioned success, while Clayton and White are still working at making their mark. One would be suprised at this point to see anything out of the other three. Thats a 50% success rate.

2004:
Larry Fitzgerald - 305 catches for 4105 yards and 30 TDs
Roy Williams - 244 catches for 3650 yards and 28 TDs
Reggie Williams - 140 catches for 1779 yards and 11 TDs
Lee Evans - 223 catches for 3567 yards and 26 TDs
Michael Clayton - 151 catches for 2030 yards and 8 TDs
Michael Jenkins - 124 yards for 1492 yards and 13 TDs
Rashaun Woods - 7 catches for 160 yards and 1 TD

Fitzgerald, Roy Williams and Lee Evans are all legitimate #1 WRs in the NFL. After those three though none of the other WRs have put up better numbers than Patrick Crayton who was drafted the same year, out of a tiny tiny school, and who was a QB. Success rate of 43%

2003:
Charles Rogers - 36 catches for 440 yards and 4 TDs
Andre Johnson - 343 catches for 4488 yards and 22 TDs
Bryant Johnson - 202 catches for 2579 yards and 8 TDs

Only Andre Johnson has shown what it takes to be worth his 1st round pick to this point. Nothing needs to be said about Rogers, and Bryant Johnson has been a serviceable #3 WR, averaging 40 catches 516 yards and 2 TDs per season. Success rate of 33%.

Between 2003-2005 there was a success rate of Rd 1 WRs of 44%. Granted you'd need a larger sample size to pull any truly useful data out of all this, but I don't have the energy for that.

Good analysis, maybe there is something to not taking WRs high. What round was TO drafted, wasnt it like the 3rd or something?

 

[smarta5150]

Good analysis, maybe there is something to not taking WRs high. What round was TO drafted, wasnt it like the 3rd or something?

Yeah. Pick #89

 

[Aikbach]

Well let's look at first round wideouts since 1997:


Rae Curruth
Yatil Green
Reidel Anthony
Ike Hilliard
Marcus Nash
Kevin Dyson
Randy Moss
Peter Warrick
Tory Holt
Plaxico Burress
Troy Edwards
Koren Robinson
RJ Seward
Bert Berriman
Charles Rogers
Andre Johnson
Braylon Edwards
Mike Williams
Matt Jones
David Terrell
Roy Williams
Calvin Johnson
Mark Clayton
Reggie Williams
Rodey White
Lee Evans
Larry Fitzgerald
Rashaun Woods
Troy Williamson
Michael Jenkins
Bryant Johnson

I've high lighted the one's worthy of the pick but still 7 out of 31 in 10 years is pretty pathetic.

 

[D-TownRadio]

Hey guys, Wade said he believes that you should never draft WRs in the first round because in college the passing game is watered down so much compared to the complexities of the NFL.

Jerry said we need a "wow" player on offense, but said QB and O-line set. Pretty safe to say TE is set also along with FB. Thus, it leaves WR and RB. Now Wade says not to draft WR in the first.

Well, a "wow" player is going to be selected in the first and if the 2 positions available are WR and RB and head coach says no to drafting WR, that pretty much leaves RB.

I think it is safe to say the "wow" player from this draft will be a RB and there is only 1 RB that is really considered a "wow" player.

I think yall know who I am talking about.

Dude just give up. There will always be people on here who will refuse to believe we are going to trade both first rounders to move up. The smart ones know McFadden will have a star on his helmet next year and the rest can act all surprised and mad when it happens untill he has a break out season and then they will be all over his man parts. lol.
I remember alot of people flipping when Romo was put in and had a bad first game but now look at all the simple minded sheep.
Same with T.O. and how he would destroy the team. Just give up and let them make arses of them selves once again.

Roy Williams WR and Darren McFadden will both be cowboys next year book it.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Well let's look at first round wideouts since 1997:


Rae Curruth
Yatil Green
Reidel Anthony
Ike Hilliard
Marcus Nash
Kevin Dyson
Randy Moss
Peter Warrick
Tory Holt
Plaxico Burress
Troy Edwards
Koren Robinson
RJ Seward
Bert Berriman
Charles Rogers
Andre Johnson
Braylon Edwards
Mike Williams
Matt Jones
David Terrell
Roy Williams
Calvin Johnson
Mark Clayton
Reggie Williams
Rodey White
Lee Evans
Larry Fitzgerald
Rashaun Woods
Troy Williamson
Michael Jenkins
Bryant Johnson

I've high lighted the one's worthy of the pick but still 7 out of 31 in 10 years is pretty pathetic.

Holt has the only Super Bowl out of the 7 that you highlighted.

 

[Rack]

I think the wow player Jerry could be talking about maybe Felix Jones. The guy is just as explosive as DMac and he should be there with the 1st pick. Our 2nd pick should be best CB left.

What if the best CB left has a 3rd round grade?

Drafting solely for need is S-T-U-P-I-D.

I think the biggest mistake teams make is drafting a WR in the first round when they don't have a QB, WR is a position that is totally dependant on the QB.

Edwards is a perfect example, how could anyone expect him to live up to his draft status with Frye as his QB, now he has a solid one in Anderson and he is playing like one of the best in the game.

Ummm, No. Obviously a Good QB is better for ANY WR then a crappy QB, but a WR isn't "Totally dependant on the QB".

Keyshawn played with mostly crap QBs during his career, and he managed to do pretty well.

Yeah, that Michael Irvin sure did suck, didn't he??

Jerry Jones didn't draft Irvin.

I say this cuz you quoted the part about Jerry Jones "eluding" to not being in favor of drafting a WR in the first. Obviously he has still done it, but they didn't turn out to well. Harper was a good #2, but you usually don't want your first rounders to be "Solid #2's". JMO

That said, if a Michael Irvin type player is available, I'm sure he'll take him. He was rumored to have wanted to trade up for Calvin this year so it could happen. But the "2nd tier" guys? I don't like drafting those in the first.

The Cowboys are probably expecting Mario Mannigham to be there in the 2nd I guess

I wouldn't mind that at all.

 

[Rack]

Well let's look at first round wideouts since 1997:


Rae Curruth
Yatil Green
Reidel Anthony
Ike Hilliard
Marcus Nash
Kevin Dyson
Randy Moss
Peter Warrick
Tory Holt
Plaxico Burress
Troy Edwards
Koren Robinson
RJ Seward
Bert Berriman
Charles Rogers
Andre Johnson
Braylon Edwards
Mike Williams
Matt Jones
David Terrell
Roy Williams
Calvin Johnson
Mark Clayton
Reggie Williams
Rodey White
Lee Evans
Larry Fitzgerald
Rashaun Woods
Troy Williamson
Michael Jenkins
Bryant Johnson

I've high lighted the one's worthy of the pick but still 7 out of 31 in 10 years is pretty pathetic.

I was SOOOO wrong about that guy. I was sure he'd be a good NFL WR.

 

[Woods]

I would probably highlight P Burress (sp?) as well.

When he's healthy, he's a very good WR.

But I think the overall point is legimate in that you can get a very good WR later on in the 1st Day of the Draft or during the 2nd day.

As for the upcoming 2008 Draft, I'm not sure how many WRs are considered number 1s (Round 1 picks) anyway. Seems like the draft is deep at the RB position, however (assuming the juniors do come out).

 

[THUMPER]

Jimmy Johnson drafted a WR in the 1st or 2nd round every year from 90-93:

1990 2nd round 1st pick - Alexander Wright
1991 1st round 12th pick - Alvin Harper
1992 2nd round 8th pick - Jimmy Smith
1993 2nd round 17th pick - Kevin Williams

Only Harper produced for us while Jimmy Smith went on to have a HoF career with the Jags after we cut him. Wright was super fast but couldn't catch.

Conversely, we haven't drafted a WR in the first two rounds since 1993 and haven't produced a single productive WR in that time either. All of our top WRs were via FA or trades.

You have to draft guys high if you want to have a good chance of hitting on one. Hoping to strike it rich with 6th and 7th round draft picks is not the way to go.

 

[Chuck 54]

I say take the best player available on day one when you already have a strong team.

WE need a CB desperately. We could certainly use a big time ILB who could push Adele aside and even outshine Brady James on the field. You could always use a stud NT to pair with Tank and allow Ratliff to strictly pass rush from the position and push Spears at DE.

ON offense, we desperately need a #1 type WR, but we shouldn't select a WR in round 1 unless we're eyeing him as a #1...we don't really need another #2 type. I'd have no problem with the top OG in the draft...they often drop to where we select or even into round 2...a road grader type to push Kozier out at some point would only make us stronger. FB's are getting harder to find, but if there was an 80's style FB with speed and running ability, great hands and good blocking ability, I'd have no problem spending a high pick on that position either. And then there's always the question of a young QB...Is Brad Johnson really an adequate backup if Romo went down, or would our season go into the crapper big time?...Maybe a younger career backup type is more likely in FA.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Jerry said we need a "wow" player on offense

I'm going to be sick of hearing about this for the next 4 months.

 

[cowboyed]

I'm going to be sick of hearing about this for the next 4 months.

It could be a running back or it could be a can't miss WR if there is one. Or it could be a deflection and be a first round corner and safety.

In any case between Ireland, Jones and Phillips they will get it right. I am amped up over the upcoming draft. 2008 is going to be exciting and a prelude going into the new stadium year of 2009. What an extravaganza.

 

[Echo9]

Yeah, that Michael Irvin sure did suck, didn't he??

For the record, Irvin was a Cowboy before Jones bought the team.

 

[Pabst]

Agree with Rack, best player available, within certain constraints (No QB for instance).

This team looks like it is fairly deep across the board, so drafting a luxury like a wideout and letting him sit a year or so isn't out of the question. But I still think you take the BPA, especially with a 11-1 team where there just isn't going to be many starting spots open.