Wanna-Be Talent Evaluators

[GimmeTheBall!]

Brady is the GOAT!!! But Brady played in the AFCE the weakest division in football for 20 years with a HOF coach.

Dak played in rhe weakest NFL division of the 2000s. Hasn't helped him tha much, bloke.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dallas had a really easy schedule, and Dak struggled from Thanksgiving on. He had a horrible first half in the playoff game.

That was fine because he was a rookie. The team should have gone back to Romo, but Garrett saw a chance to extend his time here. Not Dak's fault.

The problem is, that was Dak's best year. He's not progressing.

This is year 7. He has to show this year that he can carry a team. He never has.

I agree with you. Romo should have played when he got healthy at the end of the year. at that point it wasn't about the division, but it was about playoffs and there is a reason rookies don't go far in playoffs. I argued for Romo to be inserted back, but Jerry saw Jersey sales and dollars.

that was not Dak's best year. that was the year we had the best record. there is a difference.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The point was made. Big free agent signings and massive contracts almost always are rued.

I am not sure I agree with the 90%.....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I keep hearing the names of NFL immortals and it is to prop up or to compare to Dak, the Mendoza Line of QBs.

O, life, why do these injustices exist, persist, enlist? Dak in the same sentence/discussion with NFL immortals!
Desist!

no its not. you want it to be, because you want to argue your point. I can name a lot of second tier QBs with similar records in playoffs.

facts are facts.

and I will ask you...forget Brees career. after his 5th year, did you know he was going to be special? or is it the crystal ball thing?

 

[tyke1doe]

13 years and if you’re married, what difference does it make. And it’s not like he was making peanuts. You can take a little less to be able to use for other players. When your combined wealth is in the billions. Even for Alphas

Not everyone's marriage is the same.
Some married couples hold separate bank accounts.
Some sign prenuptial agreements.
Be that as it may, I doubt he gave up making as much money as he could because his wife would bail him out.
Rather, I think he wanted to win more Super Bowls and knew he had to sacrifice to keep some of the guys he thought would help him towards that goal.
But I'm not in his mind, so we'll simply agree to disagree.

 

[tyke1doe]

Exactly.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Exactly.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

no its not. you want it to be, because you want to argue your point. I can name a lot of second tier QBs with similar records in playoffs.

facts are facts.

and I will ask you...forget Brees career. after his 5th year, did you know he was going to be special? or is it the crystal ball thing?

I dunno care about your obsession with Brees. It seems ... unseemly.
What I care about is how our QB manages.
You ga'head with your crystal ball toy, chum, I will dwell on a looming season with your man love Dak at the helm.

 

[leeblair]

So you know more about NFL football talent than the people that play, coach, scout and draft in the NFL???? Thats truly amazing!!! I can't doubt you because I don't know you, but much respect to you!!

Which NFL team were you employed by and how long have you been working in the NFL??? Did you start out as a player, got into coaching or are you a league exec??? This is pretty cool!!

It always amazes me that so many blindly assume that the NFL label automatically means greatness.
Especially when you see all of the failures of the individual franchises year after year.
Makes you wonder how new coaches will ever be found, since the NFL label only applies to 32 teams, and everyone else has to live without that label.

 

[Hadenough]

Ask me this question when Dak has as many years in the league as those top quarterbacks you've mentioned.

Did you realize that Trent Dilpher and Nick Foles have the same amount of Superbowl wins as Aaron Rodgers???? So should they be in the same company with him?

Oh yeah, tell me the last time Dak was privileged to play with a coaching staff as talented as all of those top quarterbacks you've posted.

Yes those guys should be mentioned as SB QBs. They helped thier team win in the playoffs and they earned a ring. Pretty incredible how Foles played as good as anyone to win a SB and than fell off the face of the earth. But his 3rd conversion percentage was pretty solid.

 

[GINeric]

Dak played in rhe weakest NFL division of the 2000s. Hasn't helped him tha much, bloke.

And which Hall of Fame coach did he have the privilege to play under??? I noticed you left that part out. Not saying you did it on purpose.... but isn't it ironic that the top quarterbacks in the league play for a great head coach and or great offensive coordinators???

Which one of those have Dak had the privilege of playing under since he was drafted??

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

And which Hall of Fame coach did he have the privilege to play under??? I noticed you left that part out. Not saying you did it on purpose.... but isn't it ironic that the top quarterbacks in the league play for a great head coach and or great offensive coordinators???

Which one of those have Dak had the privilege of playing under since he was drafted??

So, now Dak has another excuse. Lack of renowned coaches.

If life were perfect you'd still be agitated.

 

[Hadenough]

You’re a great example of who the OP was talking about.

Nah I don't claim to be great talent evaluator although when everyone was yelling CB I was yelling Parsons before the draft. Yeah I wanted Dallas to trade up for Aaron Donald and trade for Romo for the rights to draft Andrew Luck. I just kinda have a knack for top teir talent when I see it. And Dak ain't it!

 

[GINeric]

So, now Dak has another excuse. Lack of renowned coaches.

If life were perfect you'd still be agitated.

No i didn't say it was an excuse.... its more credit to Dak to be a 4th rounder, the best quarterback in his draft class, and remained a top 10 quarterback in the NFL without great coaches and great offensive coordinators.

With that said, are you going on record saying coaching don't matter to a quarterback's career and development?? I just want to make sure i read you clear and not make any assumptions.

But is that what you're implying??

 

[GINeric]

Nah I don't claim to be great talent evaluator although when everyone was yelling CB I was yelling Parsons before the draft. Yeah I wanted Dallas to trade up for Aaron Donald and trade for Romo for the rights to draft Andrew Luck. I just kinda have a knack for top teir talent when I see it. And Dak ain't it!

I like your other pick choices, but with all due respect, you just contradicted the hell out of yourself....

On one hand you admitted to not being a great talent evaluator..... then you said you have a knack for talent and Dak aint it....

But that's the total opposite of what the great talent evaluators who get paid millions, said about Dak. Make that make sense my friend!!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

No i didn't say it was an excuse.... its more credit to Dak to be a 4th rounder, the best quarterback in his draft class, and remained a top 10 quarterback in the NFL without great coaches and great offensive coordinators.

With that said, are you going on record saying coaching don't matter to a quarterback's career and development?? I just want to make sure i read you clear and not make any assumptions.

But is that what you're implying??

I am inferring you go to great lengths to prop up Dak, Mr. ONE Playoff Win and Nothing Else.

Give Dak all the lame excuses, dime store inquisitor. Last week and this it was a bad O line. Today, a lack of coaching greatness. Tomorrow, no running game, next week his old injuries and on and on.
A good or great QB carries his team. Dak has no such ability.

 

[GINeric]

I am inferring you go to great lengths to prop up Dak, Mr. ONE Playoff Win and Nothing Else.

Give Dak all the lame excuses, dime store inquisitor. Last week and this it was a bad O line. Today, a lack of coaching greatness. Tomorrow, no running game, next week his old injuries and on and on.
A good or great QB carries his team. Dak has no such ability.

Well Dak is certainly not elite, but he's very good. My eyes tell me he's a good, not great quarterback, former and current players, coaches, GMs, and scouts say that he's a good quarterback, his production says he's a good quarterback, and his winning percentage since he's been in the NFL says he's a good quarterback.

You said a good or great quarterback carries his team, correct?? Ok, thats fair.....

Well since excuses can't come into play and a good or great quarterback carries his team.... then why did it take Matt Stafford a decade to win his first playoff game???

P. Manning and Drew Brees are great HOF QBs, no question.... but did you know that they both only won ONE PLAYOFF GAME in their first 5 full seasons.... JUST LIKE DAK??? So did you say the same thing about them in their first 5 seasons that you said about Dak???

I'll wait....

 

[GINeric]

I am inferring you go to great lengths to prop up Dak, Mr. ONE Playoff Win and Nothing Else.

Give Dak all the lame excuses, dime store inquisitor. Last week and this it was a bad O line. Today, a lack of coaching greatness. Tomorrow, no running game, next week his old injuries and on and on.
A good or great QB carries his team. Dak has no such ability.

Oh yeah.... ive noticed out of all the wonderful things you've mentioned,,you conveniently skipped over the question....

Are you going on record to say that great coaching doesn't matter to the development and careers of quarterbacks????

 

[tyke1doe]

I dunno care about your obsession with Brees. It seems ... unseemly.
What I care about is how our QB manages.
You ga'head with your crystal ball toy, chum, I will dwell on a looming season with your man love Dak at the helm.

You're funny.

 

[USArmyVet]

There have been postings and comments from highly paid NFL personnel like former and current coaches, players, GMs, and scouts who've given Dak Prescott the respect he deserves. None of them said Dak is on Rodgers, Mahomes or Brady's level, but they've said Dak is a top 10 quarterback.

Dak's production according to NFL.COM's statistics/production has placed him in the top 10.

Im not going to point anybody out specifically, but they know who they are. Its a few here that have legit concerns about Dak moving forward with this team, then there's the handful of haters that downplay anything good Dak HAS done and place blame on Dak for things that isn't his fault.

There's this ONE question that I've noticed that never gets answered from the Dak haters and it actually makes them run, hide, and skip over the question. Here it is....

1. If the NFL professionals, from coaches to GMs, current and former players and scouts say that Dak is a very good quarterback and he's a top 10 quarterback and his PRODUCTION places him in the top 10.... and you (the hater) says Dak isn't good and he's top 10....

Are you (the hater) going on record to say that you know more about football and evaluating quarterback talent than ALL OF THOSE HIGHLY PAID NFL PERSONNEL that ive listed above that get paid millions to eat, sleep and breathe football for a living???

NO DAK HATER HAS EVER ANSWERED THIS QUESTION!!!!

But why not????

Everyone has the right to express their opinion and both nfl fans and nfl talent evaluators/coaches/etc. have been wrong before when it comes to grading a player and they will be wrong again. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is winning so given the team structure of an nfl team a QB can't receive all the blame when a team loses and can't receive all the credit when a team wins.

There is no denying that the subject of Dak Prescott is a polarizing one where you have camps on both sides and a large motivator to this is the overall success, or lack thereof, that the Dallas Cowboys have gone through for the past 20+ years. Some wish to blame Dak for the continued failure of the organization while others want to elevate him. There is obvious bias to both camps and that is okay as you can't be an unbiased fan so expect the two camps to be dug in regardless of what happens.