Wanna-Be Talent Evaluators

[GimmeTheBall!]

Brees had one win in his first 5 years. Manning had one. so....not sure what to make of your line of argument....it failed.

You dunna know how it pains me, Bayou man, for you to reference 2 greats, Brees and Manning as props.

Props, manequins for the purpose of building up a mediocre QB with ONE career playoff win and a humiliating end to our 2021 season.

Perhaps Dak will enjoy success in 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025.
Just, please, chap, do not hold your breath. We need you at CZ.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You dunna know how it pains me, Bayou man, for you to reference 2 greats, Brees and Manning as props.

Props, manequins for the purpose of building up a mediocre QB with ONE career playoff win and a humiliating end to our 2021 season.

Perhaps Dak will enjoy success in 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025.
Just, please, chap, do not hold your breath. We need you at CZ.

actually you made assumptions. I am actually grown up in northeast and recently moved to Houston....so don't make assumptions

and with that said, I didn't use them for props. I used facts....

its true. you have also heard me say, that he is not elite. never argued he was. but I think the line of argument people use are flawed, so I tend to ask questions.

seemingly it p!sses them off that they resort to name calling....which is a sign of weakness.

 

[Brax]

Dak is paid top 9 money. is he top 9-10 or not?

Wrong way to look at it. But he’s paid like a top 4

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

And you're absolutely right!!! He has to do better to change that.

Now Dak has played 5 full seasons of NFL football and has ONE playoff win correct??

Well Drew Brees and Peyton Manning have only won ONE playoff game in their first 5 full season JUST LIKE DAK!!! Matt Stafford had ZERO playoff games in his first 5 full seasons....

Were those quarterbacks "vaunted" after their first 5 seasons with ONE playoff win as well??? Care to explain THAT Chap????

There is no warranty or guaranty in any jurisdiction or prefecture, to answer to you, a mere amateur in a bad city.
But let me just write this, sweet lad:
Don't use Dak's or Baker's, or Goff's or Kyler's names in the same sentences as the Staubachs, Bradys and Mannings of NFL lore and marbled halls of the Pantheum of the Greatest.

 

[Brax]

Dak has played, 5 full seasons of NFL football, won ONE playoff game, and haven't played in any CCGs or Superbowls. But watch this tho....

Drew Brees and Peyton Manning were outstanding quarterbacks, correct??? Well explain to me why they've won the same amount of playoff games (ONE) and played in the same amount of CCG and Superbowls as Dak in THEIR first 5 years??? Stafford had zero playoff wins in his first 5 years.

Did you say the same thing about THOSE quarterbacks who had the same results as Dak at the same time frame of their careers as Dak is currently???

DON'T PUT A SPIN ON IT!!!

Oh yeah..... Trent Dilpher and Nick Foles have won more CCG and Superbowls than Warren Moon, Dan Marino and a few other HOF quarterbacks. Dilpher and Foles have the same amount of Superbowl wins as Aaron Rodgers.....

So what should i make of this true fact or take away from it.... what does that mean??

Dak has played 6 seasons going on seven who had good teams to start not poor building teams and no Dak isn’t close to to either QBs so watch all you want but me I don’t care what others do I care what Dak doesn’t do. Spin spin but Dak isn’t in the same conversation to those you mentioned to this point not even close.

 

[Brax]

Dak played 5 full seasons. He only had one playoff win.

In Manning and Brees first 5 seasons they had one playoff win also.

Maybe there are 53 men on a team getting paid because all of them have a job to do, not just the quarterback.

Oh yeah, name one coaching staff that Dak had the privilege to play under like the top quarterbacks in the league have....

I'll wait...

More excuses poor Dak, he disagrees with you on coaches and players, about time he started earning the $ instead of talking how great he is.

 

[erod]

Well why do GMs and agents use stats in contract negotiations??? Why are players with better stats drafted higher than players with less stats???

Why are contracts designed to pay bonuses and extensions based on certain numbers/stats reached??? Why do players with better stats get higher signing bonuses??? You ever heard of a third string or other backups get max contracts???

Most of all, why are stats used to INDUCT players, coaches, etc into the Pro Football Hall of Fame??

Please tell me which one of these examples aren't true.....

And how is that working out for them? 90% of free agent signings are regretted be the team stuck with the contact.

Stats mean nothing. They don't translate to winning.

 

[blueblood70]

So now stats mean nothing it’s team. I’ll take my chances with a few other QBs same teams and I believe the results are wins when it counts and the reason is the QB showed up not choked.

HUH
Daks never choked lmao..that would mean his entire team showed up to play in a big game and he was the sole reason they loss. Never fracking happened. not once not as rookie and not last year,,like romo hes been let down in those playoff games by his teammates , that's the truth. Sure daks had few bad games here and there in a RS game but not once in a playoff game has her been the reason we lost..PERIOD no debate without romo or dak this team would be the jets up to now. We finally are finding a defense but OL, kicking, and depth at WR all issues that will need addressing but in the payoffs 14 penalties would not have Change regardless of the QB

 

[erod]

Stafford is going on his 13th season, Dak is only going on his 7th. Shouldn't Stafford be better than Dak playing in the NFL twice as long as Dak??

Now compare Daks production at the 6 or 7 year mark compared to Stafford's first 6 or 7 year mark.

Daks firstl 6 year winning percentage embarrass Stafford's first 6 year winning percentage.

Dak inherited a championship level roster. Stafford inherited the worst team in the league because he was the 1st pick.

This isn't hard.

 

[blueblood70]

I understood his point which is why I said what I said. No misreading at all. As regards your point that you shouldn't take out a guy on an 11-0 run, I disagree. Especially when you can upgrade the position.

Dak was not an upgrade over romo just young and healthy, and it was time.id take a healthy romo over dak every time.

 

[blueblood70]

His honor Blue has this habit of butting into posts responded to someone else and trash the poster for no reason , as if he is the vast ocean of knowledge of football. LOL

NO butting this is an open forum all thread are wide open and inpau ..got it go to, private site and post al you want this isnt it. nalam has a bad habit of just beign a donkey ..we are even.

or not at all like old nalam

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

actually you made assumptions. I am actually grown up in northeast and recently moved to Houston....so don't make assumptions

and with that said, I didn't use them for props. I used facts....

its true. you have also heard me say, that he is not elite. never argued he was. but I think the line of argument people use are flawed, so I tend to ask questions.

seemingly it p!sses them off that they resort to name calling....which is a sign of weakness.

Gee dad, tha's a good story.

Don't use the greats to inflate the Legend of Dak.
Talk about assumptions!
I feel like slapping you al a Parisian style.

 

[Clarke82]

There have been postings and comments from highly paid NFL personnel like former and current coaches, players, GMs, and scouts who've given Dak Prescott the respect he deserves. None of them said Dak is on Rodgers, Mahomes or Brady's level, but they've said Dak is a top 10 quarterback.

Dak's production according to NFL.COM's statistics/production has placed him in the top 10.

Im not going to point anybody out specifically, but they know who they are. Its a few here that have legit concerns about Dak moving forward with this team, then there's the handful of haters that downplay anything good Dak HAS done and place blame on Dak for things that isn't his fault.

There's this ONE question that I've noticed that never gets answered from the Dak haters and it actually makes them run, hide, and skip over the question. Here it is....

1. If the NFL professionals, from coaches to GMs, current and former players and scouts say that Dak is a very good quarterback and he's a top 10 quarterback and his PRODUCTION places him in the top 10.... and you (the hater) says Dak isn't good and he's top 10....

Are you (the hater) going on record to say that you know more about football and evaluating quarterback talent than ALL OF THOSE HIGHLY PAID NFL PERSONNEL that ive listed above that get paid millions to eat, sleep and breathe football for a living???

NO DAK HATER HAS EVER ANSWERED THIS QUESTION!!!!

But why not????

To me Dak is right Between Something and Nothing. He's too good to be replaced with the options at hand and he's not good enough to win championships unless the rest of the team is loaded.

He reminds me of Danny White who was spectacular against the poorer teams and came up small vs the better competition.

 

[GINeric]

Dak inherited a championship level roster. Stafford inherited the worst team in the league because he was the 1st pick.

This isn't hard.

I know its a different position, but Barry Sanders played behind the worst line for years and he still elevated his team to some respectable performances.

I keep hearing people say Dak has to elevate his team, correct??? Well that goes for all other quarterbacks too, no excuses!!! Stafford was a 1st round quarterback, Dak is a 4th rounder, yet he's in the same conversations as Stafford the 1st rounder. What does that tell you???

With that said, if we had championship teams in front of Dak, why did these championship teams look so bad when Dak wasn't in there due to injury???

What championship teams you know lead the league in penalties like ours???

 

[erod]

I know its a different position, but Barry Sanders played behind the worst line for years and he still elevated his team to some respectable performances.

I keep hearing people say Dak has to elevate his team, correct??? Well that goes for all other quarterbacks too, no excuses!!! Stafford was a 1st round quarterback, Dak is a 4th rounder, yet he's in the same conversations as Stafford the 1st rounder. What does that tell you???

With that said, if we had championship teams in front of Dak, why did these championship teams look so bad when Dak wasn't in there due to injury???

What championship teams you know lead the league in penalties like ours???

They're is not one GM in the NFL who would take Dak over Stafford.

It would be 32-0 against Dak.

 

[GINeric]

They're is not one GM in the NFL who would take Dak over Stafford.

It would be 32-0 against Dak.

And you're probably right. Stafford is going on his 13th season, Dak is going on his 7th....

Isn't it safe to say that Stafford should be light years better than Dak, just for the simple fact that Stafford was in the NFL when Dak was playing high school football???

Unfortunately he's not light years beyond Dak and their records as starting quarterbacks reflect that.

 

[Brax]

HUH
Daks never choked lmao..that would mean his entire team showed up to play in a big game and he was the sole reason they loss. Never fracking happened. not once not as rookie and not last year,,like romo hes been let down in those playoff games by his teammates , that's the truth. Sure daks had few bad games here and there in a RS game but not once in a playoff game has her been the reason we lost..PERIOD no debate without romo or dak this team would be the jets up to now. We finally are finding a defense but OL, kicking, and depth at WR all issues that will need addressing but in the payoffs 14 penalties would not have Change regardless of the QB

You have the homer view and that’s fine I have the realistic view Dak chokes in games that matter not just playoff games. Show up for 4 full quarters instead of 1 and that view may change but his 7th season doesn’t bode well for anything to change.

 

[GINeric]

And how is that working out for them? 90% of free agent signings are regretted be the team stuck with the contact.

Stats mean nothing. They don't translate to winning.

I just showed you why stats matter and you couldn't prove they don't.

By the way, do you have any links or proof that 90% of free agent signings are regretted??

 

[GINeric]

More excuses poor Dak, he disagrees with you on coaches and players, about time he started earning the $ instead of talking how great he is.

There wasn't an excuse given.... try harder kid!!

 

[GINeric]

Dak has played 6 seasons going on seven who had good teams to start not poor building teams and no Dak isn’t close to to either QBs so watch all you want but me I don’t care what others do I care what Dak doesn’t do. Spin spin but Dak isn’t in the same conversation to those you mentioned to this point not even close.

No Dak isn't in the same conversation as their final body of work. But after 5 full seasons, Dak had ONE playoff win just like they did after 5 full seasons and he had better stats than they did at that same time frame. Nowhere did i say Dak was better than them, but in the first 5 seasons, he had the same production they had.

I can tell you don't watch football because Dak didn’t play a whole season due to a broken ankle. Maybe your cable was cut off that season.