Wanna-Be Talent Evaluators

[jwooten15]

So you're saying he put that team on his back and willed them to a SB? Nah I just didn't see that, I saw a great all around team (defense, offense, coaching) all working together to win.

Being a great (non bus driver) QB doesn't require a guy to do it all alone.

Brady's never done it all alone; neither did Peyton or Rodgers or anyone else.

But Matt Stafford is a top-tier QB and he played a very integral role in winning that Super Bowl (both in the SB and games leading up to it).

I understand that you're trying to find ways to convince yourself that Dak can be a Super Bowl winning QB, but don't use Matt Stafford in that argument because Dak couldn't even dream of being the overall QB that Stafford is.

 

[jwooten15]

And sadly, during the 10 year tenure of Garrett, there were plenty on here that thought Garrett was doing a great job.

Don't remind me.

 

[Floatyworm]

I'm not a wanna be....

 

[CowboyRoy]

Being a great (non bus driver) QB doesn't require a guy to do it all alone.

Brady's never done it all alone; neither did Peyton or Rodgers or anyone else.

But Matt Stafford is a top-tier QB and he played a very integral role in winning that Super Bowl (both in the SB and games leading up to it).

I understand that you're trying to find ways to convince yourself that Dak can be a Super Bowl winning QB, but don't use Matt Stafford in that argument because Dak couldn't even dream of being the overall QB that Stafford is.

ON the contrary they are very similar. No doubt had Stafford been our QB and not had a playoff win in 12 seasons would you be calling him average. Take Dak and put him on The Rams and he wins multiple SB's. #1 defense, best coaching in the NFL, great ownership.

 

[NotForLong]

If you were honest you would look at Daks production and know he’ll he close to the top of the league. The issue comes in January and can he elevate team.
Thus far the team hasn’t been good enough and he’s been part of that. But he has played solid in the playoff games with the exception of San Fran

but I’m sure that’s not good enough for some

Stopppppppppp with the Production . . . I have watched Him His entire Carear. . . He is terrible . . . He is a fraud

We all know how he accumaltes His stats . . It just comes down to how you spin it. . . Some hold them up as Proof Positive of Dak's abilities or worth . . . Others keep it real @PAPPYDOG . . . Is Paapy a little harsh in His Criticisims? . . . Absolutely, but he has been breaking down the Fraud that is Dak for 6 years now.

The Criticisms are these . . . Red Zone offense . . . Too many 3 and outs . . . and Accuracy (Especially in clutch moments) . . .

While I agree with those assessments for me it has been His inability to throw the back shoulder throw and the way Mr. Back shoulder Wr was ran out of town to placard "The Franchise QB" was proof positive Jerry is an Idiot

Dak is so terrible in these faucets of the game that it is an impossibility that He is top 10

Does He have the Stats . . . Yes . . . Because the Cowboys have been loaded on Offense since He has been Here . . . Combined with Blowing Out Bad Teams and Garbage time stats vs. Good teams

Last years Philly game was sad and pathetic . . . But Exhibit #1 on Daks Stats

 

[NotForLong]

ON the contrary they are very similar. No doubt had Stafford been our QB and not had a playoff win in 12 seasons would you be calling him average. Take Dak and put him on The Rams and he wins multiple SB's. #1 defense, best coaching in the NFL, great ownership.

I bet you really believe that . . . delusional . . . Dak wouldn't know what to do with that offense . . . they would have to simplify it to Comeback routes. . . . Dak has no clue how to throw a slant.

And if Dak was on the Rams . . . They would have traded Him for Stafford


We may have won the Super bowl last year If Jerry was so bold as to make that trade . . . Just look at what Cooper Rush did with Cooper . . . Imagine Stafford . . . With Moore's playbook and that receiving corps. . . . and that Defense

We would have been unstoppable

Instead all we got was a loser complaining about "Bandwagon" Fans and celebrating the Refs having bottles thrown at them

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Being a great (non bus driver) QB doesn't require a guy to do it all alone.

Brady's never done it all alone; neither did Peyton or Rodgers or anyone else.

But Matt Stafford is a top-tier QB and he played a very integral role in winning that Super Bowl (both in the SB and games leading up to it).

I understand that you're trying to find ways to convince yourself that Dak can be a Super Bowl winning QB, but don't use Matt Stafford in that argument because Dak couldn't even dream of being the overall QB that Stafford is.

You absolutely right, those qb's including Stafford didnt do it alone, and thats my point. Dak cant do it alone, he needs an all around great team and support system that will step up when needed like those other qb's had.

If he actually had those things, and still failed... I can understand what yall say about him, but he has never had that here. Has he?

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

No he didnt will them to a SB. He also didnt just drive the bus. Its amazing to me how many of you dont know that the term bus driver means.

What's your definition? Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

There are no Dak haters just Cowboy lovers!!!

Then you should want the Cowboys as a organization to do all they can in every aspect of the game to win a SB.

Blaming Dak means you think that the qb is the only aspect of the Cowboys that's lacking.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What's your definition? Inquiring minds want to know...

Its not my definition.

Jimmy Gorropollo is the text book definition of a bus driver. Doesnt do too much, hands the ball off, typically doest throw for a lot of yards and TD's. Expected to just not screw up.

 

[NotForLong]

If there's anything worse than a hater, it's a hater on a crusade to "expose the haters". Annoying sheesh.

I hate that

 

[NotForLong]

In a word YES.

In year 7, even most of his critics such as myself acknowledge that he is currently a Top 10ish QB. But he still has flaws that should be obvious to anyone and without improvement the new generation is going to push him out of the Top 10. Furthermore, if several of the older generation hadn't retired recently he still wouldn't be in the Top 10.

So, no real disagreement between us and the experts on where he stands now. However, these experts are not experts on Dak. They have not watched every game, every play. They watch some & look at stats and form their opinion just like most casual fans. Those of us who have watched every play of his career truly understand the context around when he has performed well and when he doesn't.

But the real heart of the issue for many was the completely overboard and obnoxious analysis by his supporters during the early years. Many claimed he was the best QB in the league, top 3 - 5, some even GOAT early in his career. When it was obvious to any rational person that he was more 15-20 range and had miles to go to get into the discussion as a top 10 much less those other accolades. If you pointed out a pass clearly behind the receiver, they came up with all kinds of excuses as to why the receiver was expected to bend the laws of physics and catch the "on target" ball. Simply put, it led to a very contentious forum with both sides feeling flustered.

This has improved greatly over the last couple years as more and more supporters have acknowledged his flaws and been willing to have reasonable discussions about what we see on the field. The result is that avid supporters & vocal critics have largely arrived at the same evaluation. Top 10ish with areas for improvement.

For the record, I have always given Dak credit for improving. I honestly wasn't sure he could get to a point where I would consider him top 10ish. As there are every off season, reports are that he has made more improvements. I hope that is true and that he can take that step where I believe in him in the critical moments.

Great post

 

[jwooten15]

You absolutely right, those qb's including Stafford didnt do it alone, and thats my point. Dak cant do it alone, he needs an all around great team and support system that will step up when needed like those other qb's had.

If he actually had those things, and still failed... I can understand what yall say about him, but he has never had that here. Has he?

Dak has been surrounded by some of the best offensive talent in the league and still has only mustered one playoff win.

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Dak has been surrounded by some of the best offensive talent in the league and still has only mustered one playoff win.

How was the defense and coaching in those playoff games?

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Its not my definition.

Jimmy Gorropollo is the text book definition of a bus driver. Doesnt do too much, hands the ball off, typically doest throw for a lot of yards and TD's. Expected to just not screw up.

So does that describe Dak to you?

 

[erod]

There have been postings and comments from highly paid NFL personnel like former and current coaches, players, GMs, and scouts who've given Dak Prescott the respect he deserves. None of them said Dak is on Rodgers, Mahomes or Brady's level, but they've said Dak is a top 10 quarterback.

Dak's production according to NFL.COM's statistics/production has placed him in the top 10.

Im not going to point anybody out specifically, but they know who they are. Its a few here that have legit concerns about Dak moving forward with this team, then there's the handful of haters that downplay anything good Dak HAS done and place blame on Dak for things that isn't his fault.

There's this ONE question that I've noticed that never gets answered from the Dak haters and it actually makes them run, hide, and skip over the question. Here it is....

1. If the NFL professionals, from coaches to GMs, current and former players and scouts say that Dak is a very good quarterback and he's a top 10 quarterback and his PRODUCTION places him in the top 10.... and you (the hater) says Dak isn't good and he's top 10....

Are you (the hater) going on record to say that you know more about football and evaluating quarterback talent than ALL OF THOSE HIGHLY PAID NFL PERSONNEL that ive listed above that get paid millions to eat, sleep and breathe football for a living???

NO DAK HATER HAS EVER ANSWERED THIS QUESTION!!!!

But why not????

Those "highly paid professional evaluators" drafted Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, and Mac Jones in the first round last year.

The QB position is at an all-time low overall. There's about 6 or 7 good ones, and the rest are bus drivers or worse.

Football is very hard for you.

 

[jwooten15]

How was the defense and coaching in those playoff games?

Is your name Tad?

 

[88sAndHeartbreak]

Is your name Tad?

Is your name Pappy? because you side stepped that question like a pro.

 

[Starforever]

It is funny how I can say QB "A" is better than QB "B", but when questioned why? I make a sarcastic remark. Call someone a name; Or just wet myself.

 

[GINeric]

Those "highly paid professional evaluators" drafted Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, and Mac Jones in the first round last year.

The QB position is at an all-time low overall. There's about 6 or 7 good ones, and the rest are bus drivers or worse.

Football is very hard for you.

Again... its current AND former players, coaches, GMs, and scouts.... not just quarterbacks, but players of all positions.

Reading the full write up and understanding what was said is very hard for you......