Wanna-Be Talent Evaluators

[Redline360]

Professional evaluators miss more then they hit. Players votes sway on popularity too along with talking media heads. We also can't deny the QB market on talent is incredibly low right now.

Dak has been surronded by an incredible amount of talent for his entire career(mostly) that most quarterbacks will never see in there entire career. He was handed a cadillac of offenses that only improved with the Cooper signing and yet they still rank him 10-12ish. Granted it's a team game and his lack of post season success hurts.

I'f you want to talk about ranking with stats then all media, players, experts would have Cousins above Dak. Cousins could easy be in the top 5-7 range base upon stats alone.

In the end Dak is good enough to win us a superbowl however it's going to be the product of the environment then him being a driving force.

 

[erod]

Again... its current AND former players, coaches, GMs, and scouts.... not just quarterbacks, but players of all positions.

Reading the full write up and understanding what was said is very hard for you......

Gotta stop thinking with your pom-poms.

Dak is outplaying his draft position. Certainly. However, he is a liability to this offense. Good quarterbacks would have won a couple of Super Bowls with his rosters.

 

[starfan1]

Stopppppppppp with the Production . . . I have watched Him His entire Carear. . . He is terrible . . . He is a fraud

We all know how he accumaltes His stats . . It just comes down to how you spin it. . . Some hold them up as Proof Positive of Dak's abilities or worth . . . Others keep it real @PAPPYDOG . . . Is Paapy a little harsh in His Criticisims? . . . Absolutely, but he has been breaking down the Fraud that is Dak for 6 years now.

The Criticisms are these . . . Red Zone offense . . . Too many 3 and outs . . . and Accuracy (Especially in clutch moments) . . .

While I agree with those assessments for me it has been His inability to throw the back shoulder throw and the way Mr. Back shoulder Wr was ran out of town to placard "The Franchise QB" was proof positive Jerry is an Idiot

Dak is so terrible in these faucets of the game that it is an impossibility that He is top 10

Does He have the Stats . . . Yes . . . Because the Cowboys have been loaded on Offense since He has been Here . . . Combined with Blowing Out Bad Teams and Garbage time stats vs. Good teams

Last years Philly game was sad and pathetic . . . But Exhibit #1 on Daks Stats

Mr back shoulder WR is that Bryant or who you talking bout? And why dont you pull up some video Dak can make all the throws what i will agree with is he has to work more on his accuracy and getting the ball in the recivers hands where he can keep moving .

He is top 10 youll just have to embrace that. Many folks with more expertise than mister keyboard jockey on the zone say that
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[kskboys]

There have been postings and comments from highly paid NFL personnel like former and current coaches, players, GMs, and scouts who've given Dak Prescott the respect he deserves. None of them said Dak is on Rodgers, Mahomes or Brady's level, but they've said Dak is a top 10 quarterback.

Dak's production according to NFL.COM's statistics/production has placed him in the top 10.

Im not going to point anybody out specifically, but they know who they are. Its a few here that have legit concerns about Dak moving forward with this team, then there's the handful of haters that downplay anything good Dak HAS done and place blame on Dak for things that isn't his fault.

There's this ONE question that I've noticed that never gets answered from the Dak haters and it actually makes them run, hide, and skip over the question. Here it is....

1. If the NFL professionals, from coaches to GMs, current and former players and scouts say that Dak is a very good quarterback and he's a top 10 quarterback and his PRODUCTION places him in the top 10.... and you (the hater) says Dak isn't good and he's top 10....

Are you (the hater) going on record to say that you know more about football and evaluating quarterback talent than ALL OF THOSE HIGHLY PAID NFL PERSONNEL that ive listed above that get paid millions to eat, sleep and breathe football for a living???

NO DAK HATER HAS EVER ANSWERED THIS QUESTION!!!!

But why not????

The bigger question is, why are you so ultra concerned about the 6 Dak haters on this site? They lead you around by the nose constantly getting you riled up just by spewing nonsense. And you keep falling for it. If you really hate them that much, ignore them, put them on ignore, don't enter threads where they're spewing the same crapp ad nauseum.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Is your name Tad?

 

[kskboys]

Gotta stop thinking with your pom-poms.

Dak is outplaying his draft position. Certainly. However, he is a liability to this offense. Good quarterbacks would have won a couple of Super Bowls with his rosters.

Don't agree. We have never had a championship caliber D w/ Dak, and that's generally what it takes for any QB to win the big one.

 

[kskboys]

I like to evaluate talent, for fun, as sort of a free time hobby. And I think I do pretty good at it.

I rank Dak around 7-8, so yeah, he's definitely a top 10 QB.

I see him more as a bus driver type of QB, but he's the best bus driver in the league, most likely. And saying that isn't a dis on him.

Dak just plays within the team's system to win. He doesn't strap the team on his shoulders and win it all by himself like other QBs have done in the past. That's all I mean by that.

For Dak to truly be elite, he needs to beat teams with winning records. The great teams, like the Bucs and Bengals. We shall see.



Ironic. Because you sound bitter.

It is so strange how the extreme homers are the bitterest people on this site.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

The bigger question is, why are you so ultra concerned about the 6 Dak haters on this site? They lead you around by the nose constantly getting you riled up just by spewing nonsense. And you keep falling for it. If you really hate them that much, ignore them, put them on ignore, don't enter threads where they're spewing the same crapp ad nauseum.

And then there's Maude!!!

Anyone who holds back my Cowboys from glory and being called out for it on the team's fan site is not spewing nonsense!
As a major Dak lover, you're trying to throw reality off its tracks.
At least Americascowboys and the rest of the Dak zombies man up about it.
Shame it's not the old days where you banned anyone who criticized Dak!!!!

 

[GINeric]

In a word YES.

In year 7, even most of his critics such as myself acknowledge that he is currently a Top 10ish QB. But he still has flaws that should be obvious to anyone and without improvement the new generation is going to push him out of the Top 10. Furthermore, if several of the older generation hadn't retired recently he still wouldn't be in the Top 10.

So, no real disagreement between us and the experts on where he stands now. However, these experts are not experts on Dak. They have not watched every game, every play. They watch some & look at stats and form their opinion just like most casual fans. Those of us who have watched every play of his career truly understand the context around when he has performed well and when he doesn't.

But the real heart of the issue for many was the completely overboard and obnoxious analysis by his supporters during the early years. Many claimed he was the best QB in the league, top 3 - 5, some even GOAT early in his career. When it was obvious to any rational person that he was more 15-20 range and had miles to go to get into the discussion as a top 10 much less those other accolades. If you pointed out a pass clearly behind the receiver, they came up with all kinds of excuses as to why the receiver was expected to bend the laws of physics and catch the "on target" ball. Simply put, it led to a very contentious forum with both sides feeling flustered.

This has improved greatly over the last couple years as more and more supporters have acknowledged his flaws and been willing to have reasonable discussions about what we see on the field. The result is that avid supporters & vocal critics have largely arrived at the same evaluation. Top 10ish with areas for improvement.

For the record, I have always given Dak credit for improving. I honestly wasn't sure he could get to a point where I would consider him top 10ish. As there are every off season, reports are that he has made more improvements. I hope that is true and that he can take that step where I believe in him in the critical moments.

You're absolutely right about the "experts" opinions....

But the opinions of the former and current coaches, players, GMs, and scouts hold more weight because these guys STUDY Dak and other players play on film every game and have played against and game planned for him. So they know much more than "experts".

Very nice write up but I'll have to disagree with you. Dak haters do NOT know more about professional football talent than all of the NFL personnel that I've mentioned above.

 

[erod]

Don't agree. We have never had a championship caliber D w/ Dak, and that's generally what it takes for any QB to win the big one.

A healthy Romo with that 2016 roster would have been magical. And that would have led to a much different look going forward. Dak doesn't play well against good teams like Romo usualy did.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

A healthy Romo with that 2016 roster would have been magical. And that would have led to a much different look going forward. Dak doesn't play well against good teams like Romo usualy did.

Can you say SUPERBOWL!!!!!

 

[GINeric]

The funny thing abut this...is that people only agree with the "experts" when they already agree on the premise.

Thats just the thing... its not only, "experts" who said Dak is top 10.....

Its former and current coaches, players, GMs, and scouts who've said that about Dak and according to the production of all quarterbacks in the league, the official NFL statisticians placed him in the top 10.

Is it safe to say that NFL owners pay scouts, players, coaches and GMs millions of dollars because they are considered.... well.... experts at what they do???

 

[GINeric]

If there's anything worse than a hater, it's a hater on a crusade to "expose the haters". Annoying sheesh.

Whats even worse than that is the weaklings who's annoyed by haters getting exposed.

A hit dog will hollar....

 

[kskboys]

A healthy Romo with that 2016 roster would have been magical. And that would have led to a much different look going forward. Dak doesn't play well against good teams like Romo usualy did.

Highly doubtful. Our passing D was absolutely horrific.

 

[kskboys]

And then there's Maude!!!

Anyone who holds back my Cowboys from glory and being called out for it on the team's fan site is not spewing nonsense!
As a major Dak lover, you're trying to throw reality off its tracks.
At least Americascowboys and the rest of the Dak zombies man up about it.
Shame it's not the old days where you banned anyone who criticized Dak!!!!

See what I mean? Pappy simply spews lies. He's not capable of a real conversation. And this is what the OP bases his thinking on.

 

[GINeric]

I sense a lot of hate and prejustice in your post.

Of course you sense that, because you're one of those haters that can't answer the original question. You're doing what I said you Dak hatin cowards do....

Deflect, run, and hide from a simple question.....

 

[kskboys]

Professional evaluators miss more then they hit. Players votes sway on popularity too along with talking media heads. We also can't deny the QB market on talent is incredibly low right now.

Dak has been surronded by an incredible amount of talent for his entire career(mostly) that most quarterbacks will never see in there entire career. He was handed a cadillac of offenses that only improved with the Cooper signing and yet they still rank him 10-12ish. Granted it's a team game and his lack of post season success hurts.

I'f you want to talk about ranking with stats then all media, players, experts would have Cousins above Dak. Cousins could easy be in the top 5-7 range base upon stats alone.

In the end Dak is good enough to win us a superbowl however it's going to be the product of the environment then him being a driving force.

Your first sentence is not even close to being true. You're obviously getting your info from some spewing head on TV, the worst place to get info from.

Do you seriously not realize that those guys are paid to entice viewers, as opposed to being paid to be accurate?

 

[GINeric]

I've been called a hater many times on here so I will answer your question.

No, I don't know more than guys on TV that've played the game for 20+ years, then transitioned into media. And neither do you or anyone else on this board.

Does me not being as knowledgeable as an expert analyst/evaluator disqualify me from having an opinion on an opinion forum like this? No, it doesn't.

Dak is a pretty good QB. Really good when games aren't meaningful, and really average when they are. THAT'S MY OPINION.

You can whine about the haters all you want, but it's not going to change their opinion or make them disappear.

Just state your own opinion on matters, like all the posts that you agree with, and ignore the ones you don't if you're going to continue being this triggered by them.

Well!!! I do appreciate ONE of you admitting that you don't know more than the former players....

But you left out the current players, coaches, GMs and scouts. OF COURSE you don't know more than these people, thats why your opinion seems handicapped.

If race car drivers, mechanics/pit crew, etc from different race teams with NASCAR told you i was a very good top 10 driver and then a person who've NEVER driven a car before and only watch races on tv tell you im not a good driver.....

Do you trust that this person knows more about driving talent than all of those drivers, pit crew/mechanics, race team owners???? HELL no!!! That person would look like a dumb *** idiot thinking they know more than the people that do it daily for a living.

 

[terra]

Well!!! I do appreciate ONE of you admitting that you don't know more than the former players....

But you left out the current players, coaches, GMs and scouts. OF COURSE you don't know more than these people, thats why your opinion seems handicapped.

If race car drivers, mechanics/pit crew, etc from different race teams with NASCAR told you i was a very good top 10 driver and then a person who've NEVER driven a car before and only watch races on tv tell you im not a good driver.....

Do you trust that this person knows more about driving talent than all of those drivers, pit crew/mechanics, race team owners???? HELL no!!! That person would look like a dumb *** idiot thinking they know more than the people that do it daily for a living.

See your problem is that you somehow think all 'professionals' are qualified and have good judgement. Many have lousy judgement as history has shown; probably the most outstanding example of that was Matt Millen who was an excellent LB and maybe the worst GM of all time (certainly a contender).
So really you need to shut it down before you really embarrass yourself.

 

[GINeric]

I believe Pappy is a better talent evaluator then you

Also does this paragraph qualify as "Hate" Speech?

Prove to the great people on this board that you are NOT one of these low IQ, weak *** Dak hatin cowards who can't explain their hate with actual proof to back up your argument.

Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate

What are you so upset about? . . . You act like you crawl into bed with Dak at night . . . Like your livelihood is tied to him or something

Its no hate speech, its just a simple question. The question wasn't about me. Make sure PAPPYDOG leave money on your dresser before you return to your pimp.

With that said, are you going on record in front of everyone on this board saying you believe Pappy Dog know more about football talent and quarterbacking than the former and current players, coaches, GMs, and scouts in the NFL???

That's a clean cut yes or no question....