Ware intellectually emasculated

[Alexander]

One play that everybody saw since it was a critical part of the game and all of the sudden we're not creative, merriman is the second coming of LT, and ware is no better than jeff roher. you guys need to stop. it was one god forsaken play.

And that is one play more than Ware has made in weeks.

 

[Cbz40]

it was just one play, that merriman sacked manning. one play.

I happen to be one of the biggest supporters of Ware on this board....It just so happens I think our D coach could be a little bit more creative in how he uses him......

 

[silver]

And that is one play more than Ware has made in weeks.

true. we're over-analysing this. if we beat carolina and our defense plays like we've grown accustomed for the first 12 weeks of the season, all of this will be forgotten. but to go from one play on another team and import that into our problems and deduct from it that:

a) we're not creative enough
b) we're vanilla
c) ware has done didley
e) roy can't cover to save his life
e) zimmy wuss must go
d) fire parcells

i say we're overreacting a little bit.

by the way, almost everybody is vanilla in today's nfl. no team stays together long enough to implement the complex stuff. that's why dat's injury is that more important. he brought the experience factor to a position full of youngsters.

 

[Hiero]

I happen to be one of the biggest supporters of Ware on this board....It just so happens I think our D coach could be a little bit more creative in how he uses him......

 

[Cbz40]

It's getting real bad when you can't have a civil conversation going against the norm ......w/out being labled a homer, knee jerker, over reacting, Parcells hater etc.

Give me a BREAK!!!! Talk about overreacting

 

[Alexander]

true. we're over-analysing this. if we beat carolina and our defense plays like we've grown accustomed for the first 12 weeks of the season, all of this will be forgotten.

Not really. This defense went through a stretch where we dominated the likes of the Cardinals, Lions and a one-dimensional Eagles squad. Then we have been beaten rather severely by Denver, Kansas City and even the Washington Commanders.

Ware has been very instrumental in that downturn. He is not making plays to offset how much of a liability he has been on the run and in coverage. He is making more mistakes than he is big plays. I am sure if you asked Coach Parcells, he would agree.

but to go from one play on another team and import that into our problems and deduct from it that:

a) we're not creative enough
b) we're vanilla
c) ware has done didley
e) roy can't cover to save his life
e) zimmy wuss must go
d) fire parcells

We are very plain. That is painfully obvious. We have not shown many exotic blitzes since the Philadelphia game at home. Since then, we have tried and failed (like that ridiculous spectacle on the Rod Smith TD on Thanksgiving).

i say we're overreacting a little bit.

Not really. If anything, it is repetitive. We are supposedly running a 3-4 scheme which was designed to create more pressure. It worked for a few weeks, but once teams figured out how simple we are running it, they simply can sprint their tackles out wide enough to foil Ware's rush. That is why he has been neutralized for weeks. Everyone knows he is coming and he is not doing enough to take them to task.

by the way, almost everybody is vanilla in today's nfl. no team stays together long enough to implement the complex stuff. that's why dat's injury is that more important. he brought the experience factor to a position full of youngsters.

Absolutely false. A system has been in place in Pittsburgh for over ten years that has replaced free agent after free agent in their LBer corp since the days of Greg Lloyd. They have a system and find players to fit it.

Right now, we are depending upon a converted DE to do it all. Burnett replaced him for some sequences last week and that was more than a little disheartening, but also completely justified.

 

[silver]

pittsburg defense is made up of the following lb's

joey porter, 7th year
clark haggans 6th year
james farrior 9th year
larry foote 4th year

our defense on the other hand has the following:

demarcus ware - rookie
bradie james 3rd year (first time starter)
scott shanle 3rd year (first time starter)
scott fujita 4th year (4th year starter)

maybe in 4 years we can compare to pittsburgh. there's no way we can be creative with what we got.

 

[silver]

did i mention our backups are second year free agent ryan fowler and rookie kevin burnett?

 

[Nors]

On positive - sacks and turnover will be up this year....

 

[ghettogandhi]

If you cant be creative in a 3-4 than what the hell are we doing running a vanilla 3-4

that only makes us vulnerable against the run and no threat to put creative pressure on the qb- which is what we saw this week

assinine attempt at the 3-4 this year when the personnel is clearly suited for the 4-3 and the coach has no idea how to successfully use a 3-4 defense to create havoc

pittsburg defense is made up of the following lb's

joey porter, 7th year
clark haggans 6th year
james farrior 9th year
larry foote 4th year

our defense on the other hand has the following:

demarcus ware - rookie
bradie james 3rd year (first time starter)
scott shanle 3rd year (first time starter)
scott fujita 4th year (4th year starter)

maybe in 4 years we can compare to pittsburgh. there's no way we can be creative with what we got.

 

[jimmy40]

I agree. Hopefully this changes next year. The scheme has handcuffed Ware into being a DE run stopper exactly what we didnt get him for. we need to allow him to blitz a lot and often and not always the same exact spot.

Ware rushes in damn near every play, he just can't get past the tackle.

 

[jimmy40]

So Ware hasn't been allowed to attack the passer from an outside pass rush position?

Huh. That is very strange.

Pass the *****

Just every *** play damn near. It's very easy to tell which posters only watch the football during games, isn't it?

 

[jimmy40]

Merriman Untouched?
Were you guys not watching the Colts/Chargers Saturday.
He ran over the tackle twice to make sacks.
Quit spinning things in the favor of our guy -- Merriman has run over and around people to record his sacks.

He's also been downfield covering receivers.

 

[Kilyin]

it was just one play, that merriman sacked manning. one play.

Sacked him twice actually.

 

[PacoReloaded]

Read this article on Merriman and the San Diego 3-4 Defense and you see the difference in a game changing aggressive defense compared with the react and catch we play. But Ware is only a rook, right? Square up and take on that TE instead of recking havoc in the back field, that's why we drafted him. LT didn't listen to Parcells. He went in there and made plays.

"This defense lets me attack, attack, attack,'' said Merriman by phone Monday night, after a day of basking in wide-spread acclaim for his breakthrough performance against Peyton Manning and Co. "It allows me to be the aggressor and use my speed and my ability to find the ballcarrier. But there's still a lot more I can do. I'm not satisfied. I'm only touching the tip of the iceberg. I figure anybody drafted as high as I was [12th overall].... I was brought in to be a game-changer. That's my role.''

And you honestly think we're ever going to attack, attack, attack with Zimmer as our DC? If so, pass me whatever it is that you're smoking.

 

[kojak]

I agree with the posters that say Ware isn't being used the right way. If you put Ware in Wade Phillips 3-4 schemes he would have better sucess, because Wade is experienced in this type of defense.

If you put merriman in Zimmer's first year vanilla 3-4 defense. Then he wouldn't be as sucessful because Zimmer has no creativity, everything is just basic. Thats why we need a DC who is experienced with the 3-4, if thats what we are going to run.

 

[Chuck 54]

I agree. Hopefully this changes next year. The scheme has handcuffed Ware into being a DE run stopper exactly what we didnt get him for. we need to allow him to blitz a lot and often and not always the same exact spot.

ummmm...maybe we should turn him loose, because he sucks as a run stuffer...he's not doing much of that these days.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Shawne Merriman likes to think of himself as a game-changer. Anybody who saw the Chargers rookie outside linebacker take over the game Sunday in Indianapolis would be hard-pressed to disagree.

Merriman's seven tackles and two sacks set the play-making tone for the Chargers against the undefeated Colts and announced his arrival as the league's newest defensive force.

"This defense lets me attack, attack, attack,'' said Merriman by phone Monday night, after a day of basking in wide-spread acclaim for his breakthrough performance against Peyton Manning and Co. "It allows me to be the aggressor and use my speed and my ability to find the ballcarrier. But there's still a lot more I can do. I'm not satisfied. I'm only touching the tip of the iceberg. I figure anybody drafted as high as I was [12th overall].... I was brought in to be a game-changer. That's my role.''

When I fill out my ballot for the Associated Press All-Pro team in less than two weeks, Merriman will get my Defensive Rookie of the Year vote, over the likes of Cincinnati middle linebacker Odell Thurman, Seattle linebacker Lofa Tatupu and Dallas outside linebacker DeMarcus Ware. The Chargers may not make the playoffs, but it won't be Merriman's fault. His nine sacks lead all rookies, and he has already developed into such a factor in games that offenses are starting to game-plan with him in mind.

"I just look at it like me getting more and more respect around the league,'' Merriman said. "I'm starting to notice teams are sliding backs to my side, or sliding the line to me. I'm getting double-teamed at times, which is great because it's just going to help my teammates do the job.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/don_banks/12/20/rookie.awards/index.html

 

[Hiero]

Just every *** play damn near. It's very easy to tell which posters only watch the football during games, isn't it?

actually he usually has to hold his ground, and does well against the run. but his "blitzes" if you even wanna call them that are basically run from this exact spot every play, incredibly predictably right at the LT. the 3-4 is supposed to be able to create pressure from every angle, and it isnt happening that way. they never do anything creative and that's why its easy to stop Ware when you know exactly what he is going to do. Not all of it falls on the scheme, but at least half. The other half is Ware looks like he is playing scared, and also he needs to develop some moves, for when he gets stuck on the LT like a spin move or whatever. Even when he doesnt get a sack though, he has gotten some pressure that lead to INT's or turnovers, so overall i'd have to say given the circumstances he's had a solid year.

Could have been better, but then again, when nobody on the team has ever gotten 10 sacks under this defensive coordinator you really have to start to wonder.... :bang2: but im just a homer that doesn't watch games..

 

[Hiero]

"This defense lets me attack, attack, attack,'' said Merriman

Nobody under zimmer will ever say this.