Warner Breakdown of Dak vs Houston

[nathanlt]

For sure and thats is why play calling is important because its a chess game, the problem i have is with any coach who will not change his scheme to match his curretn roster talent....its one thing to go shotgun air raid when the WR core is the strength of the team, this current team play much better with under center ball control using PA. I scratch my head that we have offensive series that we never come out of shotgun.

Yes, and I will also say that the opening against the Colts was especially bizarre, going for it on 4th down so early, on our side of the field, after going pass heavy to start. I'm all for being unpredictable, but... that was not good.

 

[BoysForLife]

and I literally said, even if tom brady comes here we won't win a superbowl...I didn't say we won't improve. I think in your haste to just jump and bash you had a premature ejaculation....

Sure sign you're winning an argument:

When your attention grabbing sentence involves the words "premature ejaculation".......

 

[5Stars]

Y'all make excuses for everything it has to be tiresome. How many different ways can you guys say "Dak sucks" without it getting tiresome?

How about Dak sucks golf balls through a garden hose? Does that work?

 

[America's Cowboy]

This is why I honestly don’t get the OBJ talk. It’s not the receivers. It’s a combination of scheme being just a bit off and Dak not making the reads or just not making the throws.

I feel like that’s where my anxiety with Dak comes in. I’m ok with an accurate qb that misses reads once every set of downs, or a qb that makes good reads but misses a throw every handful of plays. But Dak does BOTH. He misses reads and misses throws, which statistically translates to too many broken drives.

Dak isn't missing reads most of the time. Most times the receivers are either running sloppy routes, dropping passes or being coached to run some terrible routes. That's not including having one of the worst pass protection Oline.

 

[Zekeats]

20 minutes in and it is more an indictment on Kellen's scheme than Dak.

Maybe he should come and sit with Kellen.

BS. As a qb you either got it or you don’t. How many times does an OC make a QB? How many times does a QB make an OC? I seen a lot more OCs cash in off of a QB than the other way around. Don’t blame Kellen cause Dak throws a pic at his own 5. His play is trash.

 

[5Stars]

Dak isn't missing reads most of the time. Most times the receivers are either running sloppy routes, dropping passes or being coached to run some terrible routes. That's not including having one of the worst pass protection Oline.

Wow, if that is the case then Dak needs to go to a team that can use his skills.

 

[McMicah]

Dak isn't missing reads most of the time. Most times the receivers are either running sloppy routes, dropping passes or being coached to run some terrible routes. That's not including having one of the worst pass protection Oline.

I agree the receivers can run sloppy routes, but I think that’s true for most teams. Some of the drops you refer to are just bad throws. And dude, Dallas has given up the least sacks of any team this year….so I have no idea why you are knocking the pass protection.

 

[xwalker]

BS. As a qb you either got it or you don’t. How many times does an OC make a QB? How many times does a QB make an OC? I seen a lot more OCs cash in off of a QB than the other way around. Don’t blame Kellen cause Dak throws a pic at his own 5. His play is trash.

The point @Ken is making is with regards to what Kurt Warner said, not Ken's opinion about Dak...

 

[America's Cowboy]

I agree the receivers can run sloppy routes, but I think that’s true for most teams. Some of the drops you refer to are just bad throws. And dude, Dallas has given up the least sacks of any team this year….so I have no idea why you are knocking the pass protection.

If you did some research, you would see why I stated the Cowboys currently have among the very worst Oline pass protection in 2022...

ESPN
2022 NFL pass-rushing, run-stopping, blocking leaderboard: Win rate rankings for top players, teams
ESPN ANALYTICSDec 13, 2022

Team pass block win rate
1. Kansas City Chiefs, 74%
2. Chicago Bears, 70%
3. Cleveland Browns, 66%
4. Green Bay Packers, 66%
5. Baltimore Ravens, 66%
6. Seattle Seahawks, 65%
7. Buffalo Bills, 65%
8. Pittsburgh Steelers, 65%
9. Philadelphia Eagles, 64%
10. Denver Broncos, 63%
11. Las Vegas Raiders, 62%
12. New Orleans Saints, 61%
13. Arizona Cardinals, 61%
14. Carolina Panthers, 60%
15. New York Jets, 60%
16. New England Patriots, 59%
17. Detroit Lions, 59%
18. Atlanta Falcons, 59%
19. Los Angeles Rams, 58%
20. Minnesota Vikings, 57%
21. Los Angeles Chargers, 56%
22. Houston Texans, 56%
23. San Francisco 49ers, 56%
24. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 55%
25. Miami Dolphins, 55%
26. Tennessee Titans, 55%
27. New York Giants, 54%
28. Washington Commanders, 53%
29. Cincinnati Bengals, 50%
30. Jacksonville Jaguars, 49%
31. Dallas Cowboys, 48%
32. Indianapolis Colts, 47%

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...aderboard-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams

This is only from ESPN. PFF also has the Cowboys Oline ranked among the 5 worst in pass protection so far this 2022 season. Understand that I'm not posting based on emotion but instead on statistical analysis done by several big sports networks who do these reviews and rankings throughout the year every season.

 

[BoysForLife]

And yet they're top 5 in least pressures allowed and lowest sack rate

And before we credit that to daks mobility let's remember Rush started over a third of our games this year and he's not exactly fleet of foot....

And least pressures allowed. That has little to do with QB mobility. Theoretically a QB could avoid a sack with mobility but top 5 in least pressure seems to indicate that the QB is not under duress.

What are we to make of this? How could a teams offensive line be league worst in pass block "wins" yet top 5 in least QB pressure allowed?

Is it possible that a stat like "pass block win rate" is a bit more arbitrary than something concrete like "QB pressures allowed"?

 

[kramskoi]

If you did some research, you would see why I stated the Cowboys currently have among the very worst Oline pass protection in 2022...

ESPN
2022 NFL pass-rushing, run-stopping, blocking leaderboard: Win rate rankings for top players, teams
ESPN ANALYTICSDec 13, 2022

Team pass block win rate
1. Kansas City Chiefs, 74%
2. Chicago Bears, 70%
3. Cleveland Browns, 66%
4. Green Bay Packers, 66%
5. Baltimore Ravens, 66%
6. Seattle Seahawks, 65%
7. Buffalo Bills, 65%
8. Pittsburgh Steelers, 65%
9. Philadelphia Eagles, 64%
10. Denver Broncos, 63%
11. Las Vegas Raiders, 62%
12. New Orleans Saints, 61%
13. Arizona Cardinals, 61%
14. Carolina Panthers, 60%
15. New York Jets, 60%
16. New England Patriots, 59%
17. Detroit Lions, 59%
18. Atlanta Falcons, 59%
19. Los Angeles Rams, 58%
20. Minnesota Vikings, 57%
21. Los Angeles Chargers, 56%
22. Houston Texans, 56%
23. San Francisco 49ers, 56%
24. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 55%
25. Miami Dolphins, 55%
26. Tennessee Titans, 55%
27. New York Giants, 54%
28. Washington Commanders, 53%
29. Cincinnati Bengals, 50%
30. Jacksonville Jaguars, 49%
31. Dallas Cowboys, 48%
32. Indianapolis Colts, 47%

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...aderboard-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams

This is only from ESPN. PFF also has the Cowboys Oline ranked among the 5 worst in pass protection so far this 2022 season. Understand that I'm not posting based on emotion but instead on statistical analysis done by several big sports networks who do these reviews and rankings throughout the year every season.

Before Houston, Prescott had only been sacked 8 times, compared to 34 for Jalen Hurts, whose line protection is well up the chart (9th at 64%). Over 17 games that's only 18 or 19 sacks, less than most top quarterbacks have to date...and the season hasn't even ended. In 2019, Prescott's last high QBR season, he was sacked 23 times.

Now you could argue that Prescott is dumping the ball off quicker but a 3.5% sack rate (after Houston) is lower than any season he has played, including 2016, when you had a very good line.

2016...25 sacks...5.2% sack rate
2017...32 sacks...6.1% sack rate
2018...56 sacks...9.6% sack rate
2019...23 sacks...3.7% sack rate (71.9 QBR)
2021...30 sacks...4.8% sack rate
2022...9 sacks.....3.5% sack rate (8 games played)

IOW...I wouldn't be so quick to write off Prescott's struggles against Cover 2 to bad o-line play. Beating it seems to be something that's still giving him some trouble. That said, after watching this, Moore seems to be at least part of the problem, which is why I've thought since last year that Moore is not good for Prescott. Too many option routes for one. Not wanting to stick with the running game for second. Not "consistently" scheming players open (Lamb and Pollard) for third...

 

[cnuball21]

And yet they're top 5 in least pressures allowed and lowest sack rate

And before we credit that to daks mobility let's remember Rush started over a third of our games this year and he's not exactly fleet of foot....

And least pressures allowed. That has little to do with QB mobility. Theoretically a QB could avoid a sack with mobility but top 5 in least pressure seems to indicate that the QB is not under duress.

What are we to make of this? How could a teams offensive line be league worst in pass block "wins" yet top 5 in least QB pressure allowed?

Is it possible that a stat like "pass block win rate" is a bit more arbitrary than something concrete like "QB pressures allowed"?

Where have you seen we’re top 5 in least pressures allowed? I’d love to see that.

 

[kskboys]

It's so infuriating.
We have the talent.
But Jerry wants to loan his Ferrari to a 17-year-old who just got his license and who doesn't understand the magnificent and powerful machine he's been entrusted with. And the 17-year-old keeps crashing the car as Jerry simply says, "That's okay, he'll be a great race car driver someday."
Meanwhile, there are Richard Petty's, Dale Earnhardt's and Mario Andretti's salivating to get behind the wheel of Jerry's Ferrari.
Jerry and his experimentation with Kellen Moore is just a waste of time. We'll likely be 20 years into the reign of Kellen Moore with no NFC Championship or Super Bowl to show for it.

And the sad part is that Jerry ruined his development by promoting him way before he was ready.

 

[zeke21]

It is hard to watch that tape and be confident we have a QB that can win a SB. For me one of the 'big' issues comes at the 9.23 min mark.. Dak misses a WIDE open receiver with 5 yards separation in the middle of the field for an easy 30 yard chunk play. Dak simply does not process the field.

I think Warner was fair.. Dak is an 'above average' QB.. but 'above average' is not worth 20% of your cap and will not get us where we need to go. We need to run this offence through Zeke and Pollard and give Dak minimal changes to stuff it up. One of our biggest problems has been trying to make Dak the QB we want.. rather than what he is.. and for 7 years we have suffered for it. He is fine as a bus driver.. so use him as a bus driver.

Finally got some time off to watch a few games today.. and in particularly watching the Bills vs Miami.. Josh Allen is just another level. The speed of his throws..the vision, the courage.. and Tua has the makings. It is chalk and cheese between top QBs and Dak.. and I'm sick of people buying into the hype and not seeing reality. Dak is an above average QB that landed in a perfect situation and has been overpaid a lot of money to under achieve.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Before Houston, Prescott had only been sacked 8 times, compared to 34 for Jalen Hurts, whose line protection is well up the chart (9th at 64%). Over 17 games that's only 18 or 19 sacks, less than most top quarterbacks have to date...and the season hasn't even ended. In 2019, Prescott's last high QBR season, he was sacked 23 times.

Now you could argue that Prescott is dumping the ball off quicker but a 3.5% sack rate (after Houston) is lower than any season he has played, including 2016, when you had a very good line.

2016...25 sacks...5.2% sack rate
2017...32 sacks...6.1% sack rate
2018...56 sacks...9.6% sack rate
2019...23 sacks...3.7% sack rate (71.9 QBR)
2021...30 sacks...4.8% sack rate
2022...9 sacks.....3.5% sack rate (8 games played)

IOW...I wouldn't be so quick to write off Prescott's struggles against Cover 2 to bad o-line play. Beating it seems to be something that's still giving him some trouble. That said, after watching this, Moore seems to be at least part of the problem, which is why I've thought since last year that Moore is not good for Prescott. Too many option routes for one. Not wanting to stick with the running game for second. Not "consistently" scheming players open (Lamb and Pollard) for third...

Understood but you're only looking at sacks. Remember, QB pressure affects one's QB just as much.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

20 minutes in and it is more an indictment on Kellen's scheme than Dak.

Maybe he should come and sit with Kellen.

He definitely was criticizing Dak’s inexplicable decision making that has nothing to do with the scheme.

You trying to simplify the video to just an indictment of Moore is just predictable scapegoating to absolve Dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Sure sign you're winning an argument:

When your attention grabbing sentence involves the words "premature ejaculation".......

argument? I wasn't aware this was an argument to win or lose...I stated facts. facts aren't argument.

perhaps you are arguing with yourself. and losing!!!!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

BS. As a qb you either got it or you don’t. How many times does an OC make a QB? How many times does a QB make an OC? I seen a lot more OCs cash in off of a QB than the other way around. Don’t blame Kellen cause Dak throws a pic at his own 5. His play is trash.

well, McVay helped Goff and reached a superbowl with him. Andy reid took McNabb to a superbowl. the OC and game play calling and play designs have huge impact on the offensive output and QB play. unless you think Linehan was a great OC or Garrett was a great offensive mind.

Kellen leaves a lot to be desired. or did you forget the bunch formation against Texans on their one yard line and running to the middle of the line getting snuffed in the backfield losing 2 yards. or is that Dak's fault?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

He definitely was criticizing Dak’s inexplicable decision making that has nothing to do with the scheme.

You trying to simplify the video to just an indictment of Moore is just predictable scapegoating to absolve Dak.

were you drunk watching? or perhaps Deaf? hard of hearing? because the video is still out there and trying to lie through your teeth is not a good look

or you have an agenda to drive?