Was it Worth Jerry Jones Acquiring...

[jazzcat22]

Evidently it was worth it to Jerry because he keeps making the same mistakes over and over again.

But to answer the question, NO, it was not worth it to this team. Not Terrell Owens, not Adam Jones, not Tank Johnson. None of them improved this team or got it over the "hump".
Owens' apologists will disagree of course...

Not bashing anyone or any player....but what did Romo do to improve the team or get over the "hump".
Just trying to keep things in perspective. Hey, if they win they win, if they lose they lose, not the worse thing that can happen...right?

 

[HanD]

Evidently it was worth it to Jerry because he keeps making the same mistakes over and over again.

But to answer the question, NO, it was not worth it to this team. Not Terrell Owens, not Adam Jones, not Tank Johnson. None of them improved this team or got it over the "hump".

Owens' apologists will disagree of course...

that's a little hindsight and narrowsighted not taking into consideration the situations at the time.

TO was not worth it. I guess you preferred Keyshawn to continue to be our #1 WR? the same key who was cut from the panthers for a rookie WR who has done squat since. the same key who hasn't been employed since and is now a bitter melon on espn?

PacMan was not worth it...i assume you were comfortable with newman coming off an injury plagued season and henry with only ball behind them since this was before the draft? it's called insurance with little to no risk for possible reward.

i'm assuming after ferg went down in the first game you liked our depth of remi ayodele behind ratliff? again...vet minimum for depth because we had none.

Not that I do or don't want any of these guys on our team at this point and disregarding whether or not they improved the team during their tenure here but they were solid moves AT THE TIME. but it's all jerry's fault and he never learns or does anything good for this team from the view on your soapbox. but for all my rationalization, i guess i must be nothing more than an "Owens Apologist"

 

[THUMPER]

that's a little hindsight and narrowsighted not taking into consideration the situations at the time.

TO was not worth it. I guess you preferred Keyshawn to continue to be our #1 WR? the same key who was cut from the panthers for a rookie WR who has done squat since. the same key who hasn't been employed since and is now a bitter melon on espn?

PacMan was not worth it...i assume you were comfortable with newman coming off an injury plagued season and henry with only ball behind them since this was before the draft? it's called insurance with little to no risk for possible reward.

i'm assuming after ferg went down in the first game you liked our depth of remi ayodele behind ratliff? again...vet minimum for depth because we had none.

Not that I do or don't want any of these guys on our team at this point and disregarding whether or not they improved the team during their tenure here but they were solid moves AT THE TIME. but it's all jerry's fault and he never learns or does anything good for this team from the view on your soapbox.

Other players could have been brought in to address each of those situations. Jerry was hoping with each one that somehow it would be different here because we are the Dallas Cowboys. He took chances and I don't believe they paid off.

 

[Doomsday101]

Each on their own not a big mistake but bringing in problem child after problem child was not the best way to instill discipline on a team

 

[HanD]

Other players could have been brought in to address each of those situations. Jerry was hoping with each one that somehow it would be different here because we are the Dallas Cowboys. He took chances and I don't believe they paid off.

other players. tell me a WR at the time that was worth it and would have improved our team as opposed to TO. or mid season a DT that would have been a good pickup behind ratliff. did you want jacques reeves back? the point is it is easy to sit back and criticize every single move without unbiasedly looking at the circumstances.

I doubt you are going to find a WR that offseason that would have made more of an impact than TO, whether you like him or not. He improved the team. Key was not the answer. Midseason, you don't find DTs on the market that are worth a damn. unless you wanted 3-4 undrafted guys like remi ayodele to depend on to help ratliff. pacman is debatable but we had nobody at CB and you don't go into a draft needing to add 3-4 CBs onto your roster.

the question isn't whether the moves paid off or worked out as he expected...the question is whether they were sensible moves at the time and helped the team at the time....not if you would do it again.

 

[HanD]

Each on their own not a big mistake but bringing in problem child after problem child was not the best way to instill discipline on a team

very true. but did we have a discipline problem at that time? i don't believe so. all of these characters compounded with the soft personality at HC is what eventually lead to the chaos this year.

 

[Doomsday101]

very true. but did we have a discipline problem at that time? i don't believe so. all of these characters compounded with the soft personality at HC is what eventually lead to the chaos this year.

I think this team has been lacking discipline for a while not just under Wade. I'm not talking about players getting in trouble or with the media but overall well disciplined team and adding problem players to me is not a signal I would want to send to my team

 

[HanD]

I think this team has been lacking discipline for a while not just under Wade. I'm not talking about players getting in trouble or with the media but overall well disciplined team and adding problem players to me is not a signal I would want to send to my team

i would say the penalties would signal agreement with you, whether under softie wade of the disciplinarian parcells. this team lacks true leadership IMO. that's why i pray for ray lewis over anyone else that might see free agency.

 

[Doomsday101]

i would say the penalties would signal agreement with you, whether under softie wade of the disciplinarian parcells. this team lacks true leadership IMO. that's why i pray for ray lewis over anyone else that might see free agency.

I don't look for Lewis to come to Dallas and even if he did we are talking 1 maybe 2 years? That is like people saying how Zack Thomas coming in and becoming a leader, guys at the tail end of their career are not coming in as leaders of the team, other players look at them as vets who are on the downhill side finishing their careers so you are not looking to them to take control of the team.

I think we do have guys like Ware and Witten who are leaders but in the end it still comes down to each individual man knowing what his job is and doing it. They all get paid big bucks to do a job it should be expected that they do it.

 

[HanD]

I don't look for Lewis to come to Dallas and even if he did we are talking 1 maybe 2 years? That is like people saying how Zack Thomas coming in and becoming a leader, guys at the tail end of their career are not coming in as leaders of the team, other players look at them as vets who are on the downhill side finishing their careers so you are not looking to them to take control of the team.

I think we do have guys like Ware and Witten who are leaders but in the end it still comes down to each individual man knowing what his job is and doing it. They all get paid big bucks to do a job it should be expected that they do it.

witten and ware are silent leaders...ones who lead by example. same as zach thomas and barber. the reason i think lewis is a different mold of leadership that this team needs is he is vocal and not affraid to call teammates out on the sidelines. the guy won't bash his teammates in the media but will look into his eyes and require that he be a man, accountable and play to his potential. i'm not holding my breath on it happening but i think there's more a chance than people think (suggs and scott are FAs also. lewis is 34 compared to the 28yo scott. i would think scott would be the ravens priority)

 

[Bleu Star]

...Pac Man Jones, Tank Johnson, and even TO (there's that buzz going around saying that TO is that 500 pound Gorilla on Romo's back).

According to Ed Werder of ESPN, the Cowboys traded their 2008 4th round pick for Jones. Is that true ..if so, what a waste of a perfectly good 4th round pick.

Gentlemen ...your comments.

Phoenix Talon

Pacman - No
Tank - No
TO - Yes

 

[Doomsday101]

witten and ware are silent leaders...ones who lead by example. same as zach thomas and barber. the reason i think lewis is a different mold of leadership that this team needs is he is vocal and not affraid to call teammates out on the sidelines. the guy won't bash his teammates in the media but will look into his eyes and require that he be a man, accountable and play to his potential. i'm not holding my breath on it happening but i think there's more a chance than people think (suggs and scott are FAs also. lewis is 34 compared to the 28yo scott. i would think scott would be the ravens priority)

You don't just walk in to the locker room and become the leader in the eyes of your teammates. Lewis is a very vocal leader of the Ravens who has been with them his entire career it would not be the same going to another team. If were talking a younger version of Lewis yes he could come in establish himself and take on a leadership role but I don't think that would be the case when you are talking a player who could be here 1 or 2 years. If you bring in Lewis you do so because you feel he can play at a very high level but you are not going to get a 1 or 2 year leader by proxy

 

[HanD]

You don't just walk in to the locker room and become the leader in the eyes of your teammates. Lewis is a very vocal leader of the Ravens who has been with them his entire career it would not be the same going to another team. If were talking a younger version of Lewis yes he could come in establish himself and take on a leadership role but I don't think that would be the case when you are talking a player who could be here 1 or 2 years. If you bring in Lewis you do so because you feel he can play at a very high level but you are not going to get a 1 or 2 year leader by proxy

maybe we find out maybe we don't. i guess we'll have to disagree because i think players would look up to and listen to one of the best to play his position. the guy is a superbowl champion, leader, all pro player and commands it. Our defense is fairly young without truly established seasoned vets with the exception of maybe ellis. i think the players would gravitate to him and follow his lead. maybe i'm totally wrong on this...but if i am...i don't see anyone besides maybe bradie james stepping up on defense to be a vocal leader and that could mean it will take longer to turn this around/get over the hump than many expect.

 

[Doomsday101]

maybe we find out maybe we don't. i guess we'll have to disagree because i think players would look up to and listen to one of the best to play his position. the guy is a superbowl champion, leader, all pro player and commands it. Our defense is fairly young without truly established seasoned vets with the exception of maybe ellis. i think the players would gravitate to him and follow his lead. maybe i'm totally wrong on this...but if i am...i don't see anyone besides maybe bradie james stepping up on defense to be a vocal leader and that could mean it will take longer to turn this around/get over the hump than many expect.

And I think leadership is established on a team when guys have been fighting together in the trenches for a while not a hired gun coming in.

 

[HanD]

And I think leadership is established on a team when guys have been fighting together in the trenches for a while not a hired gun coming in.

i don't necessarily disagree, i just think there are two different types of leaders, vocal and by example. we have silent leaders, but no vocal ones. i think ray lewis has been successful enough that he would be able to come in and keep people accountable and motivate the defense. just be a vocal presence to tell the younger guys what they need to hear and instill confidence. that's our void IMO.

to be honest i'm trying to think of comparable examples of vocal leaders going to another team and either succeeding or failing to be a leader at the new team but with work, my brain is farting apparently.

only thing that comes to my mind is jordan going to the wizards. from day one, he became the leader on that team because of his accomplishments...and yes i know basketball is much different.

 

[Doomsday101]

i don't necessarily disagree, i just think there are two different types of leaders, vocal and by example. we have silent leaders, but no vocal ones. i think ray lewis has been successful enough that he would be able to come in and keep people accountable and motivate the defense. just be a vocal presence to tell the younger guys what they need to hear and instill confidence. that's our void IMO.

to be honest i'm trying to think of comparable examples of vocal leaders going to another team and either succeeding or failing to be a leader at the new team but with work, my brain is farting apparently.

only thing that comes to my mind is jordan going to the wizards. from day one, he became the leader on that team because of his accomplishments...and yes i know basketball is much different.

But again for 1 or 2 years? I don't think guys will look at him as a leader of the team I don't care how much he hollers or carries on. You earn leadership on a team it is not a given never has been never will be. He is or was that in Balt but earned it.

 

[Rampage]

so far no it wasn't worth it. what have we won with those guys? nothing.

 

[HanD]

But again for 1 or 2 years? I don't think guys will look at him as a leader of the team I don't care how much he hollers or carries on. You earn leadership on a team it is not a given never has been never will be. He is or was that in Balt but earned it.

like i said...agree to disagree because chances are we never find out. but his accomplishments outweigh anything anyone on our defense has done and that alone would command at least respect from the other players.

 

[HanD]

so far no it wasn't worth it. what have we won with those guys? nothing.

could you not say that about every single person who has been a part of this franchise this decade? so not one player, coach or FO person has been worth it? i guess a lot of teams make worthless moves all the time then because there is only 1 lombardi trophy.

 

[Doomsday101]

like i said...agree to disagree because chances are we never find out. but his accomplishments outweigh anything anyone on our defense has done and that alone would command at least respect from the other players.

All I can say is to be a leader you have to prove yourself to your teammates if not then it is nothing but hot air, teammates are not going to look at your highlight reel so unless you prove it on the field you are not going to earn the respect as leader. Lewis proved himself to the Ravens with his play before anything else after that then guys will listen when you talk