Was it Worth Jerry Jones Acquiring...

[Rampage]

could you not say that about every single person who has been a part of this franchise this decade? so not one player, coach or FO person has been worth it? i guess a lot of teams make worthless moves all the time then because there is only 1 lombardi trophy.

he's asking about the players who bring BS to your team along with football skills. gee anybody who has ever played football see's this team has problems on offense and with chemistry. #81 is one of those problems.

 

[HanD]

All I can say is to be a leader you have to prove yourself to your teammates if not then it is nothing but hot air, teammates are not going to look at your highlight reel so unless you prove it on the field you are not going to earn the respect as leader. Lewis proved himself to the Ravens with his play before anything else after that then guys will listen when you talk

so you're saying anything you did in the past with another team means nothing to the current set of teammates? i respectfully disagree. it might not carry as much weight, but it does carry weight, especially to a bunch of underachievers. players don't live in bubbles. they interact and play against each other. you can earn respect playing with or against someone. pennington this year became the leader of the dolphins, reggie white when he went to the packers, norton jr. to the niners and haley to the cowboys in the 90s.

 

[HanD]

he's asking about the players who bring BS to your team along with football skills. gee anybody who has ever played football see's this team has problems on offense and with chemistry. #81 is one of those problems.

right but your comment was what have they won. so anyone that has any baggage that goes to a team is not worth it unless they win it all? i disagree. owens has easily been worth it. this year was the first year we heard a peep out of him. keyshawn was horrible and we had no other legit #1 WRs. owens made this offense better.

 

[Doomsday101]

so you're saying anything you did in the past with another team means nothing to the current set of teammates? i respectfully disagree. it might not carry as much weight, but it does carry weight, especially to a bunch of underachievers. players don't live in bubbles. they interact and play against each other. you can earn respect playing with or against someone. pennington this year became the leader of the dolphins, reggie white when he went to the packers, norton jr. to the niners and haley to the cowboys in the 90s.

Players earn it sorry you don't understand that but unless Lewis can go out and make plays and get the job done then no one cares about the hollering. When White went to GB he went out and proved himself he still had years left in his career and it showed. Pennington? was a bus driver he was asked to manage the games he did that but was not a vocal leader of Miami. Lewis coming in at the tail end is not going to be looked as a leader because guys know he would only be here for the short haul

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Yo mama eats Philly cheesesteaks!

 

[HanD]

Players earn it sorry you don't understand that but unless Lewis can go out and make plays and get the job done then no one cares about the hollering. When White went to GB he went out and proved himself he still had years left in his career and it showed. Pennington? was a bus driver he was asked to manage the games he did that but was not a vocal leader of Miami. Lewis coming in at the tail end is not going to be looked as a leader because guys know he would only be here for the short haul

sorry but you are wrong. pennington was on the sidelines vocally encouraging both the offense and defense throughout the games all season. maybe you didn't watch any dolphin games. he was a leader on that team. and speaking of hired guns on the backside of careers, i believe porter became the leader on that defense since getting there.

as for lewis...the guy is a first team all pro. for you to even assert that he can't go out and make plays is absurd. he lead a defense that thrashed our team this year. i'm sure some of the players on our team saw that and what he did on the field as well as sidelines. he is one of the greats at his position and is still playing at a very high level. you can gain respect for players by facing them in battle, not only going to battle with them. when you are a part of a team, you are a part of it...it doesn't matter the "situation". do you think if albert haynesworth says something his teammates say "ah fock it...he probably won't be here next year anyway"? respect is respect. it isn't analyzed for future potential or limited worth like stocks. take singletary for example. the guy commands immediate respect from his players and they listen to him because he's been there and done it before.

 

[jterrell]

Let's take these one at a time.

Tank: No. We waited on him to get in shape and he sucked. He never helped on the field or in the locker room.

T.O.: Absolutely. The guy has the best production over a 3 year stretch of any Cowboys WR in history. And he has been fairly team-friendly until the late season swoon in year 3.

Pacman: Yes. The risk was extremely minimal and the reward equally as minimal. We saw Pac play solid CB but never helped on ST as expected. He wasn't a real factor here either way but trading a 4th this year for a 5th net year doesn't cost much. Especially when you keep 7 or more picks per season.

 

[Rampage]

right but your comment was what have they won. so anyone that has any baggage that goes to a team is not worth it unless they win it all? i disagree. owens has easily been worth it. this year was the first year we heard a peep out of him. keyshawn was horrible and we had no other legit #1 WRs. owens made this offense better.

2006 - yeah we heard nothing out of him between his accidental overdose and bickering with the HC Bill Parcells at the time

2007 - ran his mouth bout several teams including the patriots with his "original 81" crap directed at Randy Moss who is a better wr than Owens.he cried like a little baby after we lost in the playoffs

2008 - throwing coaches and teammates under the bus complaining about not getting enough passes his way and the offensive system publicly

yeah he's really kept that big trap shut here.

 

[HanD]

2006 - yeah we heard nothing out of him between his accidental overdose and bickering with the HC Bill Parcells at the time

2007 - ran his mouth bout several teams including the patriots with his "original 81" crap directed at Randy Moss who is a better wr than Owens.he cried like a little baby after we lost in the playoffs

2008 - throwing coaches and teammates under the bus complaining about not getting enough passes his way and the offensive system publicly

yeah he's really kept that big trap shut here.

you are confusing media creating stories with him acting up IMO. his accidental overdose was not his fault. and all of the "bickering" was on BP's side...refusing to call him by his name etc. TO didn't do too much talking the first year...BP had interviews pretty limited anyway.

i saw that as more harmless joking. if you thought that distracted the team in any way i disagree. crayton has had a bigger mouth here and said way worse things. he didn't do anything in 07 to distract the team or hurt it. you want to jump on him for crying and defending romo against the media?

like i said...you think he wasn't worth it. you preferred key as the #1 WR? i don't think you can dispute TO improved this team. then again you might think going to cabo actually hurt romo's performance and that jessica simpson is a jinx if you really buy into the media that much.

 

[Rampage]

you are confusing media creating stories with him acting up IMO. his accidental overdose was not his fault. and all of the "bickering" was on BP's side...refusing to call him by his name etc. TO didn't do too much talking the first year...BP had interviews pretty limited anyway.

i saw that as more harmless joking. if you thought that distracted the team in any way i disagree. crayton has had a bigger mouth here and said way worse things. he didn't do anything in 07 to distract the team or hurt it. you want to jump on him for crying and defending romo against the media?

like i said...you think he wasn't worth it. you preferred key as the #1 WR? i don't think you can dispute TO improved this team.

the excuses you TO lovers come up with. Key was done as a wr he only played i think 1 more season after he left Dallas. but I did not want Jerry to sell his soul to the devil and sign the man who is a headcase and who disrespected this franchise as a 49er and an eagle. gee I wonder why all of the former players minus Deion/Irvin could care less about the guy.

 

[HanD]

the excuses you TO lovers come up with. Key was done as a wr he only played i think 1 more season after he left Dallas. but I did not want Jerry to sell his soul to the devil and sign the man who is a headcase and who disrespected this franchise as a 49er and an eagle. gee I wonder why all of the former players minus Deion/Irvin could care less about the guy.

TO lover yes when we have nothing to back up our statements, let's name call. but does that change the fact that he was an improvement for this team and has put up spectacular numbers and has been a good teammate until this season? please. stop bashing the guy for a second to at least give him credit for what he HAS done here. did you also boo him and then cheer him the same game when he scored?

 

[Rampage]

TO lover yes when we have nothing to back up our statements, let's name call. but does that change the fact that he was an improvement for this team and has put up spectacular numbers and has been a good teammate until this season? please. stop bashing the guy for a second to at least give him credit for what he HAS done here. did you also boo him and then cheer him the same game when he scored?

he didn't score that game but he dropped another pass. yeah he's improved our team so much we've won 0 playoff games. but we put up big numbers in the regular season and I backed up my statements you gave more excuses for the guy as if he's never at fault.

 

[juck]

...Pac Man Jones, Tank Johnson, and even TO (there's that buzz going around saying that TO is that 500 pound Gorilla on Romo's back).

According to Ed Werder of ESPN, the Cowboys traded their 2008 4th round pick for Jones. Is that true ..if so, what a waste of a perfectly good 4th round pick.

Gentlemen ...your comments.

Phoenix Talon

GO AWAY!!!! SEE U NEXT YEAR AFTER MCCFLABB LOSES.BYE

 

[HanD]

and it is his fault we haven't won a playoff game? please. and your statements were nothing but a biased media based rant that i already addressed. you have yet to acknowledge the numbers he's put up since coming here. we don't have to win playof games for him to have been worth coming here. he has improved this offense tremendously. it's like romo, he has faults, sure but i remember what it was like without him and it isn't pretty. owens, i fault him for this year and throwing people under the bus. the rest of the other BS did nothing to hurt the team. how did crying for romo after last year hurt this team? an accidental overdose is his fault?

and you were right...he didn't score that game...it was the following one.

 

[Rampage]

and it is his fault we haven't won a playoff game? please. and your statements were nothing but a biased media based rant that i already addressed. you have yet to acknowledge the numbers he's put up since coming here. we don't have to win playof games for him to have been worth coming here. he has improved this offense tremendously. it's like romo, he has faults, sure but i remember what it was like without him and it isn't pretty. owens, i fault him for this year and throwing people under the bus. the rest of the other BS did nothing to hurt the team. how did crying for romo after last year hurt this team? an accidental overdose is his fault?

and you were right...he didn't score that game...it was the following one.

he coulda scored twice but he dropped another pass this time it was in the endzone on a slant that woulda been a td if he could go 1 game without dropping a pass. I mean if he's gonna do that we might as just replace him with Braylon Edwards.

 

[jterrell]

he didn't score that game but he dropped another pass. yeah he's improved our team so much we've won 0 playoff games. but we put up big numbers in the regular season and I backed up my statements you gave more excuses for the guy as if he's never at fault.

Again this argument is the very definition of weak.

Romo wasn't worth signing as an undrafted free agent either if the criteria for value is playoff wins. And Demarcus Ware sucked as a first round pick right?

T.O. has the stats to support his signing and his salary. His team wrecking ways were evident here for all of about 6 weeks in 3 seasons. His volume was no higher in complaining the RW or Crayton. When things suck people generally complain and he did.

T.O. has basically existed in a year to year deal here since day 1. When Jerry doesn't see the value in him he will cut the guy. Not like say Hamlin where you'd eat a ton of cap space so you must make it work.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Tank and Pacman...eh, didn't cost that much in the greater scheme of things so I guess you could say it was worth the shot.

As for TO, heck yeah it was worth it. He is an elite WR and one of the few that really cares about winning on this team.

So yeah, it was worth it on TO.

 

[Rampage]

Again this argument is the very definition of weak.

Romo wasn't worth signing as an undrafted free agent either if the criteria for value is playoff wins. And Demarcus Ware sucked as a first round pick right?

T.O. has the stats to support his signing and his salary. His team wrecking ways were evident here for all of about 6 weeks in 3 seasons. His volume was no higher in complaining the RW or Crayton. When things suck people generally complain and he did.

T.O. has basically existed in a year to year deal here since day 1. When Jerry doesn't see the value in him he will cut the guy. Not like say Hamlin where you'd eat a ton of cap space so you must make it work.

did Romo and Ware wreck 2 teams before they came here? and that's too much! what cause he only did it for an average of 2 weeks a season here it makes it ok? MY GOD! you people are unbelievable

 

[HanD]

he coulda scored twice but he dropped another pass this time it was in the endzone on a slant that woulda been a td if he could go 1 game without dropping a pass. I mean if he's gonna do that we might as just replace him with Braylon Edwards.

i'll just end this conversation by saying we haven't won despite TO. we've have won more because him IMO. we haven't lost playoff games because of him. there is no way we are the same team without him. he has helped this team as a weapon more than hurt it as a distraction IMO. his mouth hasn't been a problem until this year.

the guy works hard and plays through injuries. i'm not his defender by any means (i didn't like him coming here in the first place) and wouldn't be heartbroken if he left (after what he's done this year), but if you detract his accomplishments for drops, you have to credit them for his hustle blocking for runners down the field and dragging several defenders to get into the endzone on other plays. he isn't an angle, but he has helped this team more than hurt it and that's why he's been worth it.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

LOL! I love it. Romo gets jerked around cause he didn't scream, cry, or whatever after the loss this year, and it means he just doesn't care about winning or football.

TO cries about his QB, and their loss being blamed totally on him, last year and now he's being made fun of for crying.

Wow. Some of the people on these boards are wishy washy and completely inconsistent in their complaints.