Was there a reason why Kellen was so predictable?

[TheMarathonContinues]

Thats what I have been thinking the last few seasons, maybe thats all Dak can do. We all know he isnt good at timing or accuracy routes (tho sometimes he will hit one every once in a while, but it’s rare). But, to be fair there are some really dumb plays called at times.

He sucks at having to throw predictable hitch routes all game.

 

[CATCH17]

Moore was not the problem.

 

[Acceptablename]

As with most every aspect with Dak....he could throw long, but you were never sure about that consistency....hence play the percentage.
Recently he's really struggled on the in-routes always seemed late (and behind) on the throw.

Yeah I never quite got his throwing late I guess if he was so cautious are you through with hesitation

 

[acr731]

You really think people are going to care what the Chargers do next year? I mean I may watch them from time to time if only to see if Moore has actually learned anything. LIke I said at the outset.. I wish Moore well. I have nothing against him personally and will be happy for him if he succeeds. Though full disclosure I will be pissed if he goes to SD and starts actually using the running game for more than just a place holder for his next brilliant series of pass plays in big games. People look at the Cowboys pass/run distribution over the course of the season and conclude that they were somewhat balanced. In reality they weren't. They were just so good in some games that they blew teams out and spend the entire 4th quarter handing off and just trying to get out of the game without any injuries. The pass/run distribution in tight games would be more telling I think. Especially in losses.

I think it also bears stating that sometimes it takes getting fired for guys to see the light. It took getting canned in Cleveland for Hoodie to figure it out in New England. Some guys are just better on their second try. For Moore's sake I hope he's one of them because if he can't get the Chargers over the hump his career as an OC will be over. If he screws up that QB and that group of receivers his name will be mud around the league.

If that happens you should instead be wondering how many times he called a run and someone, not naming names, audibled out of it. I personally think there was quite a bit of that going on.

 

[glimmerman]

He was a copy of Linehan. Likely used his playbook and would abandon the run as Linehan did.

 

[RonnieT24]

If that happens you should instead be wondering how many times he called a run and someone, not naming names, audibled out of it. I personally think there was quite a bit of that going on.

Everyone sees the world through the prism of his or her own biases. However when the offense breaks the huddle in empty backfield I have a hard time believing the QB "audibled" out of a run play.

 

[acr731]

Everyone sees the world through the prism of his or her own biases. However when the offense breaks the huddle in empty backfield I have a hard time believing the QB "audibled" out of a run play.

I'm clearly not talking about an obvious pass formation. But you knew that, you just needed to throw in a dig.

 

[Staubacher]

There were at least several deep ball opportunities in the SF game. Guys streaking open. It wasn't the OC who missed them

 

[G2]

There's going to be some really upset peeps if the Bolts make the AFCCG next season.... It won't change the Dak-stans views, though.

Most Cowboy fans understand Prescott isn't as good as Herbert. That doesn't stop you dreaming of upset fellow fans, right?
And there's still the D bags here that are cheering for him to fail. The amount of time you clowns spend parroting the same talking points is fascinating.

 

[G2]

Moore was not the problem.

We believe you!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Hard to tell. I’m not sure this offense is any more predictable than most other offenses. The offensive play calling and offensive operation in general would look good without the interceptions. Short of Shanahan or Reid, all offenses are fairly predictable especially if you watch your team every game year after year.

I would have liked to see this Kellen Moore offense when he doesn’t have to appease Zeke with useless carries, which I think is a mandate from Jerry.

You'll find out right quick next year without him.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

So true. Airman was much more accurate , the receivers could run timing routes., we had a FB who was a pass catcher also. A deep shot to Irvin to get into opposing territory then grind them with Emmitt

Winning formula not repeatable with todays QB and players. Surprised we have won 12 games in consecutive years with our current scheme

You forgot an actual o-line that could block people....get up field and pancake some poor sumgun.

When was the last time you saw that with this line?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I think that's overblown, Dak, he's not Rodgers or Wilson, in their prime, but has a decent deep ball. Our deep threat is Gallup, who ran a 4.5+, that was before his injuries, so he isn't consistently getting a step on many people. Deep throws, like the 60+ yder to Hilton are low percentage for any QB, but not something you're likely to call often when you know you don't have speed. A lot of deep passes aren't QBs trying to hit a guy in stride, it's about putting air under it and letting your guy run under it, we don't have a WR like that.

If we had a Hill or Chase, there would be more deep balls being called. We kinda do with Turpin and that's another thing I didn't understand why we wouldn't have tried at least a few times with him....

Or why we couldn't get Pollard more involved. There's a lot of indictment on Moore for this. We can cite good stats all day long. But there was certainly some puzzling dysfunction.

 

[lostar2009]

Look at who he intern with. Too bad he never got a chance to work with a good NFL offensive mind. But it would be interesting to see what he would do out there with the Chargers. I hope he learn his lesson in Dallas.

 

[lukemartin79]

He was a carbon copy of JG.

Exactly, you could ask the same question of JG. Boys have been predictable offensively for quite some time.

 

[nalam]

The effectiveness of this offense is rooted in your ability to successfully and consistently run the football. This is not the greatest show on turf in personnel or design. IF you cannot run the football, it can and will be rendered ineffective. Especially against GOOD teams!

We did not see it much in the 90s because we could run the football...on ANYBODY! And when we couldn't, the defense held it down. To win at a championship level...you have to have a complete team. Don't let the popularity of the triplets in the 90s discount the fact the Cowboys were a complete team.

Always it helps , even with QBs like Peyton M , Aaron R, Mahomes , a reliable running game helps , not make it one dimensional and the defenses pin their ear back and attack.

the Giants won 2 SBs , because the pats had no name running backs and their OL was a bit finesse, Tom brady‘s short passing game was their running game.

Similarly with a non-elite QB here in Dallas who when tries to do too much like ( throwing 50 times) we dont win games. We need reliable running game, that can happen against good defenses with Good (young) OL and good running backs. It does also helps to have a decent defense to get the ball back and not having to lose leads.

 

[CouchCoach]

Every OC must work within the limitations and preferences of the QB.

I think it will be interesting to see Moore working with a different kind of owner, HC and QB.

With Moore, I keep going back to what his HC at Boise St., Chris Peterson, said about him. Which is what got him tagged as Wonderboy. "He will be a HC soon because of his understanding of the game". The last part of the season, they let him plan and call his own plays. Same results.

I also go back to Sean Lee's admiration of Moore's play designs when they spent time on the sideline and that's one D player that recognizes offensive plays.

I think Moore had taken Prescott as far as he could take him and vice versa, I think the change was needed for both of them.

 

[Bullflop]

The downturn in Dak's effectiveness and in Zeke's running left KM with fewer options, hence, predictability was increased accordingly.

 

[offlimits]

McCarthy pulled Moore back Because of DAK limitations.

Agree but why then continue to have Dak throw the deep-out? He can't throw that pass so eliminate it from the offense and do not let him audible.

 

[offlimits]

If the NFL was simple, any of us goofball internet fans could draw up plays. Over reliance on Dak and the wheels falling off Zeke has hurt.

TBH... most NFL offenses are really pretty simple.