Washington Post: Commanders Trying to Land Cutler

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JerryAdvocate;2713918 said:
ES already has 15 pages about it

talk about desperate for a good QB
thewarpath.net (a better site has more pages and a poll) the result is 65% against the trade, and most of us saying not to do it. Just because there are a lot of pages does not mean everyone is calling for Cutler. (I don't ever go to ES so I can't really speak for it, I just know what i hear on other Skins sites)

as for this if it happens, i will be sick to my stomach.
 

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I can't believe you Skins fans are upset about this. I think more highly of Campbell than most, but Cutler is way better than he is. A young franchise QB is the one position where it *is* worth almost any amount you give to get him.

As a Cowboys fan, I hope this falls apart somehow.
 

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skinsngibbs4life;2713947 said:
this organization is a joke. I feel bad for campbell. He is such a classy guy. He just came on ESPN 980 and did an interview, and unlike cutler, didnt throw anyone under the bus. He kept his composure and kept mentioning how this is a business, and no matter what happens, he will put 100% effort.

The thing that is weird to me is, Zorn called Campbell today reassuring him that he is their guy, and thats thats. Campbell also stated that he has had no contact with Snyder or Cerrato. Pretty sad when your GM seems to be having no contact with the head coach.

Anyways, I hope the trade falls through. I personally want to keep Jason, and think that he deserves a second year in this system. Draft a RT at 13, and hope the line holds up

I feel bad for Campbell too. The same thing that happened to Cutler is happening to Campbell and he is handling it with class. He knows the kind of business this is and is a man about it.

Ideally the Commanders get cutler...offensive players pissed when Campbell is traded. Team will be Demoralized. Given Portis's comments last year coach Zorn is probably not held in high regard, and if players respected Campbell and feel like Cutler is a little whiney *****, this is a recipe for disaster.

Theres so much potential for meltdowns. Start off the season with 2 loses in a row...put a fork in them. Some player speaks up trashing cutler... put a fork in them. mmm mmm good ;D
 

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Chocolate Lab;2713958 said:
I can't believe you Skins fans are upset about this. I think more highly of Campbell than most, but Cutler is way better than he is. A young franchise QB is the one position where it *is* worth almost any amount you give to get him.

As a Cowboys fan, I hope this falls apart somehow.

Cutler isn't a franchise QB, one franchise is trying to get rid of him already

it doesn't look like this guy can handle any kind of adversity
 

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Chocolate Lab;2713958 said:
I can't believe you Skins fans are upset about this. I think more highly of Campbell than most, but Cutler is way better than he is. A young franchise QB is the one position where it *is* worth almost any amount you give to get him.

As a Cowboys fan, I hope this falls apart somehow.

I don't think any logical person can debate that Campbell is better than Cutler. With that said however, I just dont think this trade is right for us.

We are already crippled for draft picks as it is. Supposedly Denver is asking for 2 first round picks for Jay. With as old as our team is getting, and the needs that we have now, it is just too much.

Another point is how good could Cutler be in D.C. Campbell was sacked 38 times last year while Cutler was only brought down 11. Our offensive line is not that good in pass protection. How is Cutler going to handle being under pressure that much?
 

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Some jackarse on local radio tried to equate Cutler's childish hissyfit to John Elway's ultimatum to the Colts, concluding that Elway is no better. I gotta believe there's a big difference between not reporting to a team that drafted you vs. giving up on your team (and teammates) after three promising years.
 

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JerryAdvocate;2713967 said:
Cutler isn't a franchise QB, one franchise is trying to get rid of him already

it doesn't look like this guy can handle any kind of adversity

How is Cutler not a franchise QB? He is a 25 year old pro bowler... Hell, he might not even be at his prime yet.
 

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skinsngibbs4life;2713971 said:
How is Cutler not a franchise QB? He is a 25 year old pro bowler... Hell, he might not even be at his prime yet.

a franchise QB is one who has the ability to lead and inspire

stats don't tell the whole story

and you can't be a franchise QB when a franchise is trying to get rid of you before you even begin to hit your prime, that kinds of defeats the whole purpose of being called a franchise QB
 

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Chocolate Lab;2713958 said:
I can't believe you Skins fans are upset about this. I think more highly of Campbell than most, but Cutler is way better than he is. A young franchise QB is the one position where it *is* worth almost any amount you give to get him.

As a Cowboys fan, I hope this falls apart somehow.

I am so tired of stating all the ways Cutler's numbers have been overrated, and Campbell's deflated. We will have to see how it plays out, and if it succeeds, of course I will be happy. But a huge part of me at this point would love to see Campbell go to Denver, play the AFC West 6 times a year, and have everyone eating crow. Campbell faced top 10 defenses at least 9 times last year, Cutler faced bottom 10 6 times at least. Hopefully some team will save Danny from a horrible blunder, but it's not looking good for my team.
 

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JerryAdvocate;2713976 said:
a franchise QB is one who has the ability to lead and inspire

stats don't tell the whole story

and you can't be a franchise QB when a franchise is trying to get rid of you before you even begin to hit your prime, that kinds of defeats the whole purpose of being called a franchise QB

There's a difference in someone "trying" to get rid of you, and being "forced" to get rid of you.

-The Commanders are trying to get rid of campbell because they feel he isnt the best fit.
- The broncos are forced to seek a trade for cutler because he is demanding one.
 

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skinsngibbs4life;2713990 said:
There's a difference in someone "trying" to get rid of you, and being "forced" to get rid of you.

-The Commanders are trying to get rid of campbell because they feel he isnt the best fit.
- The broncos are forced to seek a trade for cutler because he is demanding one.

you're forgetting that Josh McDaniels wanted to trade for Matt Cassell, to at least compete with Cutler, that's pretty expensive competition for your supposed franchise QB

just look at that Rivers, shouting fiasco, Cutler couldn't get off the field, he just kept jawing back, it seems pretty easy to get into his head, not to mention the affront he took when he found out about the Cassell inquiry

you can throw around the stats all you want, but Cutler just doesn't carry his team, and most of all doesn't look mentally tough and easily ruffled
 

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skinsngibbs4life;2713968 said:
Another point is how good could Cutler be in D.C. Campbell was sacked 38 times last year while Cutler was only brought down 11. Our offensive line is not that good in pass protection. How is Cutler going to handle being under pressure that much?

But on the other hand, Cutler has an outrageous record when his defense gives up less than something like 22 points. Denver's D is and has been plain awful, and that wouldn't be the case with you.

Normally I would make fun of you for flushing draft picks for vets, but not in this case.
 

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JerryAdvocate;2713992 said:
you can throw around the stats all you want, but Cutler just doesn't carry his team, and most of all doesn't look mentally tough and easily ruffled

I guess its good that I have opposed this trade from the start then, huh?:p:
 

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It's not that the Skins wouldn't take Cutler over Campbell as he's an upgrade, but the price to do is going to be steep. Two first rounders and perhaps more is not a small price.

Seattle nabbed two high picks in Shaun Alexander and Koren Robinson in the Joey Galloway debacle - don't tell me that we couldn't have used them (okay, Alexander at least).

Besides, the Skins are not one player away. The smart thing to do is to say thanks but no thanks, continue to get younger on defense and the OL vs. mortgage everything on Cutler not only doing well but staying with the team once his contract is up.
 

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skinsngibbs4life;2714001 said:
I guess its good that I have opposed this trade from the start then, huh?:p:

I think to get Cutler, it could very easily cost you guys 2 1st round picks.

I would say all in all, I wouldn't pay that for Cutler.

Not because he doesn't have the talent to play QB, but I don't think he has the right mentality to play.

My God, he (Cutler) would get eaten alive in Dallas!

Romo goes to Mexico and look at the grief he gets in the Dallas press.
 

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Cutler is the better QB, I don't think anyone can really debate that. It is going to cost the Skins a lot to get him though and for the Skins that's just stupid. For fans of teams who face the Skins it's actually probably a pretty cool deal.

Either way I'd rather they not get Cutler.
 

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Avery;2714014 said:
It's not that the Skins wouldn't take Cutler over Campbell as he's an upgrade, but the price to do is going to be steep. Two first rounders and perhaps more is not a small price.

On the other hand, some teams (Chicago, Detroit, KC, Jets) have been searching for a franchise QB for 40+ years. And when you think about it, you're really only talking about one first rounder (just assume that Cutler is in this draft and the Skins take him with the 13 pick).
 

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bbgun;2714031 said:
On the other hand, some teams (Chicago, Detroit, KC, Jets) have been searching for a franchise QB for 40+ years. And when you think about it, you're really only talking about one first rounder (just assume that Cutler is in this draft and the Skins take him with the 13 pick).

I think one first rounder may apply to the Lions at #1, but the Broncos will want more than the #13 overall.
 

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Avery;2714034 said:
I think one first rounder may apply to the Lions at #1, but the Broncos will want more than the #13 overall.

That's not what I meant.
 
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