CFZ We’ve had an okay draft but here’s the real negative and it’s gonna hurt

[jazzcat22]

If Martin goes down the OL and subsequently Dak is screwed.

One of the biggest needs, the OL, and waited too long to address.

 

[Ekspozed]

All three of the guys that we drafted are nice additions but none of them change our team.

The eagles and giants, drafted attacking football players - two of our three guys were drafted to stop their already potent quarterbacks and speed in the backfield.

We have not drafted anybody that’s going to change the game that’s going to drive play that’s going to make their defense worry about.

Our draft is based on our opponents assets. We’re worried about them, but they’re not worried about us. That’s a Losing formula in any sport it doesn’t matter.

Brandin Cooks isn’t changing anything.

We are still a slow plodding offense- with very little running back depth very little offensive line, depth, and very little quality at receiver.

And I hate to say it, but the Giants killed this draft already incredible;

We are quickly behind the 8 ball as the Eagles are clearly better and the NYG even .

We whiffed in Free Agency again and did not close any gaps on Philly .


The picks: John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota (No. 57); Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee (No. 73)

The Giants landed my top-ranked center in Schmitz late in Round 2. That's a steal. He fills an immediate need. I was surprised he lasted that long.

They followed that by trading up 16 spots to snag Hyatt, giving up No. 128 in the process. Hyatt is a speedster who can be a deep threat out of the slot, though he needs to refine his route running. He's my fifth-ranked wideout, and I thought he could have snuck into the first round for the right team. What a draft the Giants are having. I also really liked cornerback Deonte Banks on Thursday. They have come out of the first two days with three of my top 45 prospects.

I'll bite.

Eagles added a troubled player who also showed up out of shape and his coaches had bad things to say about him. Followed by picking a smaller player without a true position or production and a corner who was toasted often.

Giants picked a nice center, a 1 trick pony wr

 

[starfan1]

One of the biggest needs, the OL, and waited too long to address.

Stupid to pass on Torrence and take a guy you could get a round later at a position you really weren’t hurting at

 

[75boyz]

All three of the guys that we drafted are nice additions but none of them change our team.

The eagles and giants, drafted attacking football players - two of our three guys were drafted to stop their already potent quarterbacks and speed in the backfield.

We have not drafted anybody that’s going to change the game that’s going to drive play that’s going to make their defense worry about.

Our draft is based on our opponents assets. We’re worried about them, but they’re not worried about us. That’s a Losing formula in any sport it doesn’t matter.

Brandin Cooks isn’t changing anything.

We are still a slow plodding offense- with very little running back depth very little offensive line, depth, and very little quality at receiver.

And I hate to say it, but the Giants killed this draft already incredible;

We are quickly behind the 8 ball as the Eagles are clearly better and the NYG even .

We whiffed in Free Agency again and did not close any gaps on Philly .


The picks: John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota (No. 57); Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee (No. 73)

The Giants landed my top-ranked center in Schmitz late in Round 2. That's a steal. He fills an immediate need. I was surprised he lasted that long.

They followed that by trading up 16 spots to snag Hyatt, giving up No. 128 in the process. Hyatt is a speedster who can be a deep threat out of the slot, though he needs to refine his route running. He's my fifth-ranked wideout, and I thought he could have snuck into the first round for the right team. What a draft the Giants are having. I also really liked cornerback Deonte Banks on Thursday. They have come out of the first two days with three of my top 45 prospects.

Nice post.
I follow the Giants kinda closely as they are one of my best friend's teams. Also as a Bama/ SEC follower in college, I can't help but notice Roseman and all his GA and Bama picks for Philly, lol.

Appreciate your post in giving credit where credit is due to division rivals here.
The most immature and childish posters to include a mod here are gonna insult and personally attack you for even daring to point out these observations on a Cowboys board.
**** 'em.
Its because sometimes the truth hurts this immature bunch so much as to why open discussion on division rivals is not welcome here. So when the resident 12 year olds attempt to criticize you just remember that "NO, you don't need to go root for another team or NO you're NOT an Eagles fan for pointing out obvious truths."

Great job.

 

[Rockport]

....try almost 10,000 days as that is how long since Dallas was relevant.

Hey quitters quit. It’s what you do.

 

[Ken]

All three of the guys that we drafted are nice additions but none of them change our team.

The eagles and giants, drafted attacking football players - two of our three guys were drafted to stop their already potent quarterbacks and speed in the backfield.

We have not drafted anybody that’s going to change the game that’s going to drive play that’s going to make their defense worry about.

Our draft is based on our opponents assets. We’re worried about them, but they’re not worried about us. That’s a Losing formula in any sport it doesn’t matter.

Brandin Cooks isn’t changing anything.

We are still a slow plodding offense- with very little running back depth very little offensive line, depth, and very little quality at receiver.

And I hate to say it, but the Giants killed this draft already incredible;

We are quickly behind the 8 ball as the Eagles are clearly better and the NYG even .

We whiffed in Free Agency again and did not close any gaps on Philly .


The picks: John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota (No. 57); Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee (No. 73)

The Giants landed my top-ranked center in Schmitz late in Round 2. That's a steal. He fills an immediate need. I was surprised he lasted that long.

They followed that by trading up 16 spots to snag Hyatt, giving up No. 128 in the process. Hyatt is a speedster who can be a deep threat out of the slot, though he needs to refine his route running. He's my fifth-ranked wideout, and I thought he could have snuck into the first round for the right team. What a draft the Giants are having. I also really liked cornerback Deonte Banks on Thursday. They have come out of the first two days with three of my top 45 prospects.

I agree with you on the Giants...they have really addressed their lack of weapons this offseason.

However, I love what we did with Mazi. He changes our defense big time.

I also agreed with you about weapons in the draft as I wanted one of the top rbs and love Hyatt. After we took Deuce yesterday though, we have another dynamic playmaker added to the fray, imo.

 

[Mannix]

All three of the guys that we drafted are nice additions but none of them change our team.

The eagles and giants, drafted attacking football players - two of our three guys were drafted to stop their already potent quarterbacks and speed in the backfield.

We have not drafted anybody that’s going to change the game that’s going to drive play that’s going to make their defense worry about.

Our draft is based on our opponents assets. We’re worried about them, but they’re not worried about us. That’s a Losing formula in any sport it doesn’t matter.

Brandin Cooks isn’t changing anything.

We are still a slow plodding offense- with very little running back depth very little offensive line, depth, and very little quality at receiver.

And I hate to say it, but the Giants killed this draft already incredible;

We are quickly behind the 8 ball as the Eagles are clearly better and the NYG even .

We whiffed in Free Agency again and did not close any gaps on Philly .


The picks: John Michael Schmitz, C, Minnesota (No. 57); Jalin Hyatt, WR, Tennessee (No. 73)

The Giants landed my top-ranked center in Schmitz late in Round 2. That's a steal. He fills an immediate need. I was surprised he lasted that long.

They followed that by trading up 16 spots to snag Hyatt, giving up No. 128 in the process. Hyatt is a speedster who can be a deep threat out of the slot, though he needs to refine his route running. He's my fifth-ranked wideout, and I thought he could have snuck into the first round for the right team. What a draft the Giants are having. I also really liked cornerback Deonte Banks on Thursday. They have come out of the first two days with three of my top 45 prospects.

WoW....that may have been the best post that I've ever seen on here....seriously. It's exactly why I keep bringing up the fact that Philly and their FO continue to keep lapping ours. We are in HUGE trouble, and I agree 100% on Brandin Cooks...he is not going to drastically change our offense....some people seemed to be thinking "problem solved" when we acquired him...haha....nope. There will be NO Super Bowl appearances counting on Dak to win three (3) straight playoff games against the best teams....and that is the situation, because its gonna be the Wildcard path for years to come with this FO up against Phillys. Depressing and maddening as hell. The difference between us and Philly is that we are paddling up stream hard as we can to just try and match them, while they are paying ZERO attention to us....they are trying to further distance themselves from the ENTIRE NFL any chance they can get....acquiring Swift from Detroit when they really didn't need him was nothing short of brilliant.

 

[SexyDexy52]

So a 2nd round run-blocking TE that will be 25 years old when they could have drafted a road grading OG who would have helped the running game and more?????? That made ZERO sense.

How would that OG help if he’s on the sidelines? Your starting 5 OL are Smith, Smith, TB, Martin, Steele. Then you have Edoga, Farniok, Weltezo, Lindstrom, Richards as backups. I’m not saying Torrence isn’t going to be a starter somewhere but you can only play 5 OL (with the exception of an OL reporting as eligible receiver). Having the TE that can block well on the line and in space as well as run good routes and catch is a much better option as it disguises what your offensive intentions are. Putting and OL eligible on the field as we have done in the past pretty much shows your hand to the other team. Having a TE that can block, run and catch well, doesn’t show the defense anything because it’s not a “tell”. So the team thought this was the better way to go, it’s that simple.

You may disagree with what the FO decided to do, but drafting a road grading OG in the 2nd that isn’t going to beat out Smith or Martin doesn’t help the run game at all.

 

[75boyz]

How would that OG help if he’s on the sidelines? Your starting 5 OL are Smith, Smith, TB, Martin, Steele. Then you have Edoga, Farniok, Weltezo, Lindstrom, Richards as backups. I’m not saying Torrence isn’t going to be a starter somewhere but you can only play 5 OL (with the exception of an OL reporting as eligible receiver). Having the TE that can block well on the line and in space as well as run good routes and catch is a much better option as it disguises what your offensive intentions are. Putting and OL eligible on the field as we have done in the past pretty much shows your hand to the other team. Having a TE that can block, run and catch well, doesn’t show the defense anything because it’s not a “tell”. So the team thought this was the better way to go, it’s that simple.

You may disagree with what the FO decided to do, but drafting a road grading OG in the 2nd that isn’t going to beat out Smith or Martin doesn’t help the run game at all.

Ummm... The first mistake is to assume that Tyron Smith plays a full 17 games. THIS assumption is not helping the run game at all.
Once he goes down(and he will),that puts Tyler back at LT and a hole at LG.

Now take it from there with your confidence level in Edoga or Ball as a starter OR is Torrence an upgrade over these 2?

Torrence hasn't played a down of NFL football yet so I dont know for sure, but having Torrence over the likes of proven jag Edoga and less than jag Ball is a better team building option than a 24yr old TE who is marginally better than Ferguson at best imo.

 

[SexyDexy52]

Ummm... The first mistake is to assume that Tyron Smith plays a full 17 games. THIS assumption is not helping the run game at all.
Once he goes down(and he will),that puts Tyler back at LT and a hole at LG.

Now take it from there with your confidence level in Edoga or Ball as a starter OR is Torrence an upgrade over these 2?

Torrence hasn't played a down of NFL football yet so I dont know for sure, but having Torrence over the likes of proven jag Edoga and less than jag Ball is a better team building option than a 24yr old TE who is marginally better than Ferguson at best imo.

So you are of the mind set that it is a better allocation of assets to have a 2nd round pick possibly sit on the sidelines for the entire season in case Smith gets injured, than have a guy on the field that can help from the get go? That sounds like someone playing scared!

The team has reserves for a reason, Farniok performed admirably at LG before he himself got injured last season. But if we use your rationale: Smith and Farniok got injured last season so Dallas should have drafted another OG in the 2nd round to back up the backup. This isn't sound allocation of assets. You can't have a steak on every plate. It's football, you are going to have to rely on your guys or get rid of them. Dallas chose not to get rid of Smith, so they are willing to take that risk and dance with the guys they have rather than draft Torrence, whom they clearly weren't as interested in as many posters here. It is what it is, the FO made their choice, fans can either make piece with it or whine about it. I see the logic in which the FO used.

Also, Schoonmaker is really good blocker out in space and coming off the edge. Our starting RB is a better runner coming off the edge. Torrence is better in the box as he should be, but all signs are pointing to Dallas attacking the edges more with TP and trying to get him out in space, than running up the middle as they might have done with a different style runner like EE who couldn't capture the edge and turn the corner. This and the fact they feel like LS could be an asset in the passing game and security blanket for DP could be a reasons they chose one over the other. (Plus LS wasn't going to be available at pick 90.) Life is about tough choices and they made theirs.

Also, It could be that Dallas wants to play more 12 and 13 personnel as well in the upcoming season. It seems as though they are looking for an H-back/FB type to add another dimension to their offense.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If Martin goes down the OL and subsequently Dak is screwed.

And let's do that with every team let's take away their second best player. You think you are making a point but when it is true for everyone it has no impact.

 

[Rockport]

One of the biggest needs, the OL, and waited too long to address.

The season doesn’t start for another 5 months.

 

[jazzcat22]

The season doesn’t start for another 5 months.

Yes it is, but they still waited too long to address it. This 5 round OL is not going to become a 2nd rounder in 5 months. Well he may, but odds are not there.
He was more like a future pick type guy. Hope they hit and he helps when needed this season.
Maybe the new OL coach can get them all ready and better than the last coach.

 

[Rockport]

Yes it is, but they still waited too long to address it. This 5 round OL is not going to become a 2nd rounder in 5 months. Well he may, but odds are not there.
He was more like a future pick type guy. Hope they hit and he helps when needed this season.
Maybe the new OL coach can get them all ready and better than the last coach.

They can address the situation via trade, or late training camp cuts. Maybe the young guys are stepping up who knows.

 

[Bamx]

For once, I think Dallas is better, and maybe significantly better, but it still remains to be seen.

Dallas hopefully fixed it biggest need on D. Mazi and Hankins should stop the run/control up the middle. Adding a Overshown to give Parsons a break every now and again could allow this D to step up another level, and they didn't have far to go.

The offense so far has added a blocking TE with some receiving skills. I think it should have been IOL first. With that said, hopefully the professionals they hired are better than us amateurs that watch a little tape and think we know it. They have picked players that fill needs this draft whether people see it or not.

The offense line has Smith, Smith, Steele, Martin, Biadasz (5 we know can play) -- Edoga, Farinok, Bell, Waletzko, Hoffman, Taylor -- all 300lb + : can none of them develop?

If Dallas picks up a IOL, a QB, a RB and the highest upside player (hopefully FB) I will have to give them Kudos for drafting better than I thought they could. They will have knocked it out of the park. They haven't drafted the players I thought, but they have drafted the positions.

For those who say the offense hasn't gotten better -- how do you know when they are going to a different offense, more WCO. Just that change in itself might make the offense quite a bit better.

Two main things that needed to be fixed were 1) Dak needs to throw less INT and not just INT, but bad INT' ( Ones for TD's and close to the end-zone). 2) Run D. If those two can be fixed this team has a legit shot at getting to the SB.

 

[75boyz]

So you are of the mind set that it is a better allocation of assets to have a 2nd round pick possibly sit on the sidelines for the entire season in case Smith gets injured, than have a guy on the field that can help from the get go? That sounds like someone playing scared!

The team has reserves for a reason, Farniok performed admirably at LG before he himself got injured last season. But if we use your rationale: Smith and Farniok got injured last season so Dallas should have drafted another OG in the 2nd round to back up the backup. This isn't sound allocation of assets. You can't have a steak on every plate. It's football, you are going to have to rely on your guys or get rid of them. Dallas chose not to get rid of Smith, so they are willing to take that risk and dance with the guys they have rather than draft Torrence, whom they clearly weren't as interested in as many posters here. It is what it is, the FO made their choice, fans can either make piece with it or whine about it. I see the logic in which the FO used.

Also, Schoonmaker is really good blocker out in space and coming off the edge. Our starting RB is a better runner coming off the edge. Torrence is better in the box as he should be, but all signs are pointing to Dallas attacking the edges more with TP and trying to get him out in space, than running up the middle as they might have done with a different style runner like EE who couldn't capture the edge and turn the corner. This and the fact they feel like LS could be an asset in the passing game and security blanket for DP could be a reasons they chose one over the other. (Plus LS wasn't going to be available at pick 90.) Life is about tough choices and they made theirs.

Also, It could be that Dallas wants to play more 12 and 13 personnel as well in the upcoming season. It seems as though they are looking for an H-back/FB type to add another dimension to their offense.

If your version and the team's version of Farniok performing admirably against real competition is true then I can see real validity in your stance. My memory may not be as sharp as to recall how many actual regular game time reps Farniok logged at guard last year but I do not think his real time snap counts were enough to merit a grade of admirable.
As to Tyron's availability this is nothing new. You already know the unavailability drill of his last 7 to 8 seasons I assume.
You don't pencil this chronically injured player in as a 17 game starter. Tyron should have been the swing tackle with Tyler and Steele as starters but once Jerry extended Tyron/gave him money that most likely sealed Steele's fate to be the swing.
Their original contingency plan (out of necessity as it turned out)was a sound one in replacing Tyron with Tyler.
But then again, imo they should have drafted Torrence as McGovern's replacement.
And yeah, I'll stick by my opinion of taking Torrence over Schoonmaker and leave you to yours on this o-line makeover. I didn't even mention Ball or Edoga as possible guard replacement candidates because their tape is no better than jag worthy at best. I didn't go into all the scheme specific what ifs that you did but appreciate all the scenarios you posted here. I kept it to the basics of oline and it's depth and my reasons for wanting Torrence over Schoon.
Good discussion anyway though.
Difference of opinion is all.
No worries.

 

[jnday]

On the contrary.
So they are not the sexy picks you and others wanted.

Individually you say they do not change the team. How about because they are added to the team, along with the players that are in place, they improve the team.
Smith can be a game changer in the run. He was not even asked to be a pass rusher at UM. He said he is ready to learn dnwhatever is asked of him.

So together they are just pieces of the puzzle added.

Rounds 4 through 7, now those are underwhelming picks, for now. We need to see how they work out, probably 2 years from now. If they are still on the team.

Smith is a two down player, but if he can stop the run, he will be worth it. You can defend the reach in the second round if want, but there was already two young TEs on the roster that offers as much as the TE that was drafted. The only drafted player that brings any excitement, other than Smith, is the undersized RB . This whole draft was underwhelming.

 

[jnday]

Hey quitters quit. It’s what you do.

You can’t handle the truth, so you pout and call the man a quitter. That’s not nice, or very mature.

 

[stilltheguru]

Cooks doesn't change anything but hyatt........nah yall got it

 

[jnday]

Two main things that needed to be fixed were 1) Dak needs to throw less INT and not just INT, but bad INT' ( Ones for TD's and close to the end-zone). 2) Run D. If those two can be fixed this team has a legit shot at getting to the SB.

One thing is for certain, Dak gets worse with pressure. One or two injuries on the oline and this could be a long season. Dak is not good enough to compensate for a bad oline.