We are not better without Dez

[buybuydandavis]

We won a game with Byron Bell starting at LT. That doesn't make it a good idea.

We got stomped against Philly when Bell started midseason, and won against Philly cheerleaders in the season finale. On the touchdown by Butler.

Bell is really not a good example for you.

3-0 w/o Dez in 2016.

 

[Nightman]

We got stomped against Philly when Bell started midseason, and won against Philly cheerleaders in the season finale. On the touchdown by Butler.

Bell is really not a good example for you.

3-0 w/o Dez in 2016.

Dak's 5 best games were with Dez in 2016.......you have no point

 

[Kaiser]

Bell is really not a good example for you.

3-0 w/o Dez in 2016.

I think you have gotten lost in the thread. Bell is the perfect example, if you have a Pro Bowl player and think you can win more games by replacing with a marginal player you are miles off target.

Brice Butler had 15 catches last year and 16 in the year you are talking about. He has 7 starts in five seasons, because he has been a marginal player that has never earned a starting job.

Byron Bell is to OTs what Brice Butler is to WRs, and its laughable to claim Butler being on the field for those three games was anything but a setback. In those three games he had receiving totals of 40, 20 and 20 yards while Zeke had rushing totals of 138, 134 and 157 yards. The reason the team was 3 - 0 was Zeke, they won despite Butler being on the field.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Dak's 5 best games were with Dez in 2016.......you have no point

2016
3 wins, no losses without Dez.

We had 2 real losses, both to the Giants. The last game we were just waiting for the playoffs.
In the two losses, Dez's stats
Tgts Rec Yards
5 1 8
9 1 10
Our losses came from Dez *hurting* us.

 

[Jake]

You Dezerters can create a million different threads all trying to put down Bryant but we are not a better team if we cut him.......PERIOD

Emotions aside (I realize that's tough for some of you), the question for me comes down to value. Is Dez worth the antics and cap space compared to his production?

If he is, keep him. If he's not, move on.

 

[Nightman]

Emotions aside (I realize that's tough for some of you), the question for me comes down to value. Is Dez worth the antics and cap space compared to his production?

If he is, keep him. If he's not, move on.

Sounds pretty wishy washy..... take a stand

 

[buybuydandavis]

I think you have gotten lost in the thread. Bell is the perfect example, if you have a Pro Bowl player and think you can win more games by replacing with a marginal player you are miles off target.

3-0 w/o Dez. It's not about Butler. It's about Dez.

And despite the mercy pro bowl alternate in 2016, Dez hasn't been a legitimate pro bowl player since 2014.

But if we're on Butler, he was the most productive WR per target by far. It's not his fault we chose not to play him more, and chose not to target him more. He was the only WR we had who was a threat to hurt you deep with man coverage. And he had the productivity per target to prove it.

 

[Nightman]

2016
3 wins, no losses without Dez.

We had 2 real losses, both to the Giants. The last game we were just waiting for the playoffs.
In the two losses, Dez's stats
Tgts Rec Yards
5 1 8
9 1 10
Our losses came from Dez *hurting* us.

Dak's 5 best games were with Dez
Dak's 2 losses were his 2 worst games

Blame goes to Dak >>>>>>>>> Dez

 

[NotForLong]

we have had dez for several seasons now and we still haven't won a divisional playoff game way more than dez has to improve for this team to be considered in competition as one of the better teams in the nfc and a true serious superbowl contender

Cowboys not winning is on the shoulders of the clapper point blank

 

[buybuydandavis]

Dak's 5 best games were with Dez
Dak's 2 losses were his 2 worst games
Blame goes to Dak >>>>>>>>> Dez

Take out the passes to Dez in Dak's worst games, and Dak's game is ok, and we probably win.
Both INTs in the second Giant game were passes to Dez.

Funny how Dak's problems always revolve around targets to Dez.

Meanwhile, 3-0 w/o Dez.

But you just keep thinking that Dez has nothing to do with it.

 

[Kaiser]

And he had the productivity per target to prove it.

Comedy. Butler is a marginal player and he is sitting on his couch right now without a contract to prove it.

 

[Kaiser]

But if we're on Butler, he was the most productive WR per target by far.

Question from Kaiser:

"Hey, how much are real deep threats getting this offseason?"

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Donte Moncrief:

"9.6 Million"

Kaiser:

"Thanks"

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[cowboy_ron]

Cowboys not winning is on the shoulders of the clapper point blank

Jerry didn't bring him in to win games.
1. Barry Switzer was brought in to not rock the boat and to prove Jerry right about the 500 coaches could win with that team.
2. Parcells was brought in as a token to help win the new stadium robbery, then was expendable.
3. Clapper was brought in for......who the hell knows.
4. The rest were brought in to do as they were told.

 

[Nightman]

Take out the passes to Dez in Dak's worst games, and Dak's game is ok, and we probably win.
Both INTs in the second Giant game were passes to Dez.

Funny how Dak's problems always revolve around targets to Dez.

Meanwhile, 3-0 w/o Dez.

But you just keep thinking that Dez has nothing to do with it.

You said they are better without Dez.
I showed that Dak had his 5 best games with Dez

What happened in losses with Dez is not the issue
You have to prove they are better without Dez so you move the goal posts and try to blame him for Dak's worst 2 games......not pressure, not jitters, not Zeke missing preseason......only Dez

Pretty weak sauce.....ignore the 899lb gorilla and try to divert to a non-relevant stat

 

[RoboQB]

Success has a thousand Fathers and Defeat is an orphan.

Success in the NFL has a thousand fans claiming credit and Defeat has ten thousand claiming the sky is falling.

That is one of my favorite phrases.

 

[Tass]

You Dezerters can create blah blah blah blah BLAH

I seem to remember our team and Dak performing their best when there was no Dez in the game. When Dez was hurt there was no sideline drama/whining about looks, no rants, no drama. Dak played relaxed and spread the ball around and we won handily.

 

[Nightman]

Seems your memory is wrong

 

[charron]

Team building is about talent aquisition and using that talent. This team is still transitioning from romo to dak. Dez was used to a guy he could trust, he knew where romo would go with the ball...hell everyone knew and they'd score anyway. In 2016 winning made it easy to deal with, but in 2017 the guys didnt deal with losing well. Part of that is on the coaches, the rest is on the players all of them.

The pressure needs to be put on these coaches. they need a better plan to use all of our weapons. If dez continues to struggle then we need to be able to change things up, call the next guys number. They have got to help dak be a better qb in the passing game. But as of now even a 1st round wr wouldnt outplay dez, so keeping him another year is a must. Maybe we trade him at the deadline or next year but right now we need all the help we can get.

 

[SoupcanSam]

You Dezerters can create a million different threads all trying to put down Bryant but we are not a better team if we cut him.......PERIOD

If we can trade him and get fair value like a 3rd round pick then we could recoup some of the loss but we will still be worse in 2018 ......AHurns and DThompson are secondary pieces, not stars...... Dez is a star

And don't mention his money either....what are we going to spend it on ???..... and we can still create more space by keeping him....... just like DWare a few years ago...... we got worse as a team by cutting him....who cares if Dez is overpaid by 2-4m??? We are 6m under the cap right now

We didn't sign Mathieu or Suh or SRichardson or a real LBer.....just some more dumpster diving that feels like shopping in Beverly Hills after skipping the first 10 days of FA......don't be fooled

CFleming
JThomas
MMartin
DThompson are JAGs just like CThornton, BBell, NCarroll, SPaea

We can't afford to give away legitimate stars like Dez...... that is just plain dumb and so many Mock Fans are actually rooting for it....... Here's Your Sign

Dez is not legit anymore. When he is gone you will cry.

 

[Aviano90]

When our offense sucked in 2015 without him, it continued to suck when he returned to the lineup. He provided zero lift.
When our offense was good in 2016, it was good with and without him.

We've never seen an impact (positive or negative) that Dez's absence or return has had on the team where you can point and say "we're missing Dez" or "Dez is finally back" as the reasoning for the change in offensive play. We lose Zeke/Tyron and there is a noticeable difference. When we lost Lee on defense last year there was a noticeable difference. That hasn't happened with Dez.

I'm saying he is a neutral impact until I see otherwise because that is the track record we can look back on and see.