We do not win the Seattle game if Mo was one of our top 3 corners

[BoysfanfromCanada]

I re-watched the game last night, and there were times when Wilson had a good four or five seconds to throw, couldn't find anyone open, and the pocket collapsed. That is something that has been extremely rare these past couple years. That's a combo of low confidence (Carr) and plain poor cb play (Claiborne). I rarely ever see a catch on Scandrick (when not picked on play that is) or Moore where they're completely beaten. This was happening often with Clai

 

[DandyDon1722]

I re-watched the game last night, and there were times when Wilson had a good four or five seconds to throw, couldn't find anyone open, and the pocket collapsed. That is something that has been extremely rare these past couple years. That's a combo of low confidence (Carr) and plain poor cb play (Claiborne). I rarely ever see a catch on Scandrick (when not picked on play that is) or Moore where they're completely beaten. This was happening often with Clai

I have to agree with this. I don't know whether we lose the game without Mo but there is no question that I hardly heard Moore's name called the entire game. When you're a corner in the NFL and you don't hear your name called - that's pretty good. He has given the position a stability that wasn't there before.

I also would like to see Patmon get some playing time. I get the feeling he's got some Scandrick "dog" in him.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I don't know if I would go so far as to say it meant the difference between a win and a loss, but I think the defense is better overall without him.

I honestly feel that it is addition by subtraction.

Wilson wasn't completing jack on that day.

End of thread.

 

[TrailBlazer]

This defense is much better with Moore in there. He has always made plays when given the chance, for the Patriots too. Moore has been better than Claiborne for awhile now. If Claiborne was an undrafted guy, he would've been riding the pine or cut a long time ago. Since Claiborne got hurt the entire secondary looks better. They have all been in better position to make plays on the ball. I'd like to compare the number of pass breakups since Claiborne went down compared to when he was playing.

Sterling Moore leads the team in passes defensed. Scandrick is 4th.

 

[Kaiser]

There is a distinction a lot of people are missing, Claiborne has played poorly in zone but OK in man coverage. So to the original post, the team may very well have lost if they had played zone but if they had, Claiborne would only have been one part of the issue.

 

[BoysfanfromCanada]

There is a distinction a lot of people are missing, Claiborne has played poorly in zone but OK in man coverage. So to the original post, the team may very well have lost if they had played zone but if they had, Claiborne would only have been one part of the issue.

I don't want to keep ragging on Claiborne, because I want(ed) him to succeed, but while he struggles on zone, he hasn't exactly lit it up playing man either. Couple games man'd up vs Riley Cooper come to mind. Those were the games were I was thinking, 'a rangy corner drafted that high shouldn't have this many issues with a guy like Cooper'.

 

[Wayne02]

I'm not going to kick a man when he's down, and right now Claiborne is at the very bottom, hopefully he bounces back from this year and is a major contributor for this team.

 

[30yrheel]

I hate to say it, but we do not win the Seattle game if Mo was one of our top 3 corners. Wilson is good enough to find the weak link, and many of those third down stops would have been completions because Mo was playing off his man or penalties because he held or interfered. Addition by subtraction...

Wild speculation.

 

[robbieruff]

I hate to say it, but we do not win the Seattle game if Mo was one of our top 3 corners. Wilson is good enough to find the weak link, and many of those third down stops would have been completions because Mo was playing off his man or penalties because he held or interfered. Addition by subtraction...

Yes - was definiely addition by subtraction to lose him...

 

[Kevinicus]

I didn't mean that they picked on him like they did with Mo. Just that they stopped looking towards where Scandrick was and tried their luck towards Carr. Carr too has been playing solid.Thus Wilson really had no where to go with passing the ball.

One thing about Sterling Moore is that he just makes plays. He plays the ball in the air just as good as anyone does in our team. He just has a knack for knocking passes down. His not the best tackler and probably gets pushed around trying to play press. But his a playmaker and seems to always be in position to make a play on the ball. I think his underrated.

I agree with you this is a solid defense. Its going to get even better when Carter gets back from injury and when Lawrence is inserted into the lineup.

I think they've thrown on Carr (and everyone) less the last few weeks. He was definitely targeted (and beat) more than Mo, when Mo was in there.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I think they've thrown on Carr (and everyone) less the last few weeks. He was definitely targeted (and beat) more than Mo, when Mo was in there.

He has given up some plays here and there but not as much as Mo. These last few games Carr has been pretty solid. Take a look at that Rams game. They picked on Mo exclusively. They knew exactly where that weak link was. It wasn't with Carr. It was Mo all along. There is a reason why they demoted Mo and not Carr.

I believed that once they put in Scandrick for Mo the entire secondary has been playing solid. I can't of one weak link on our defensive secondary anymore.

 

[RastaRocket]

Seattle has garbage wide receivers. They are near the bottom of the league at that position, and are the worst ranked passing offense.

 

[Kevinicus]

He has given up some plays here and there but not as much as Mo. These last few games Carr has been pretty solid. Take a look at that Rams game. They picked on Mo exclusively. They knew exactly where that weak link was. It wasn't with Carr. It was Mo all along. There is a reason why they demoted Mo and not Carr.

I believed that once they put in Scandrick for Mo the entire secondary has been playing solid. I can't of one weak link on our defensive secondary anymore.

Watch the Rams game again. Carr was worse. Britt beat him bad several times and he was saved by poor throws. One bad play to Quick (with the help of a shove) is not being picked on.

 

[Zordon]

Sucks he got injured bc I think he would have been trade bait right about now.

 

[Zordon]

There is nothing claiborne can do that will change my mind on him. He can come back and get 10 ints. He ******* sucks.

It was misery watching this dude single handed, destroy our D. As if it wasn't bad enough, we could barely get pressure, but he bails out every team by raping, and touching up on every WR. Then the Bum barely plays the ball.

Man, he sucked so bad, so glad he is gone.

My main issue with him was his hesitance to tackle. Idk how he survived at LSU with his fear of hitting.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Watch the Rams game again. Carr was worse. Britt beat him bad several times and he was saved by poor throws. One bad play to Quick (with the help of a shove) is not being picked on.

Couldn't disagree with you more. Did you really watch the Rams game?

Rams 1st posession -
Watts 25 yard run on left side. No help from Mo
Austin Petis 1st down play, left side on Mo
Kendric TD on the left side. No help from Mo.

Rams 2nd possession -
Quick 51 yard TD pass against Mo

After the half 2nd possession -
Britt 38 yard pass against Mo
Field Goal

Ram's 2nd to last drive -
Quick illegal contact on Mo - led to 1st and goal
Austin Pettis - TD against Mo

Carr had a great game and pitched a shutout. 4 passes 0 completions.

Down below proves my point. Mo was picked on the entire game which led to his demotion.

 

[ConstantReboot]

My main issue with him was his hesitance to tackle. Idk how he survived at LSU with his fear of hitting.

Honey Badger did all the hard work - Teran Matheu (spelling?) He was the real star of that defense not Mo. I watched enough tape of him to know he was awful. He was given the role of watching opponents worst receivers. Thus making him look like a shutdown corner.

 

[ConstantReboot]

There is a distinction a lot of people are missing, Claiborne has played poorly in zone but OK in man coverage. So to the original post, the team may very well have lost if they had played zone but if they had, Claiborne would only have been one part of the issue.

Mo has also been terrible in man coverage. He can't play zone, he's terrible at tackling and is also terrible in man coverage. There is a reason they demoted him and for good reason.

We all would have loved if he succeeded. But lets all call it as it is. He's a bust.

 

[Kevinicus]

Couldn't disagree with you more. Did you really watch the Rams game?

Rams 1st posession -
Watts 25 yard run on left side. No help from Mo
Austin Petis 1st down play, left side on Mo
Kendric TD on the left side. No help from Mo.

Rams 2nd possession -
Quick 51 yard TD pass against Mo

After the half 2nd possession -
Britt 38 yard pass against Mo
Field Goal

Ram's 2nd to last drive -
Quick illegal contact on Mo - led to 1st and goal
Austin Pettis - TD against Mo

Carr had a great game and pitched a shutout. 4 passes 0 completions.

Down below proves my point. Mo was picked on the entire game which led to his demotion.

So, you use the "stats" and ignore what really happened? If that's how you want to do it, don't let me stop you.

 

[blindzebra]

So, you use the "stats" and ignore what really happened? If that's how you want to do it, don't let me stop you.

And the graphic about Carr was wrong. I remember at least 3 completions on him off the top of my head.

The the Pettis TD was Scandrick's man lost on a pick play.