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You are too kind Sir
We as fans are obviously directly responsible for the failures of this team

Even subconsciously I try to elude the guilt that is entirely my own. Thank you for making me face and confront the truth, however unpleasant and agonizing it may be. Perhaps this will be the first step in a long journey toward redemption, and perhaps now the team can begin to experience some success as a result.
 

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And what does that prove?
What it proves is that there is no going to be a substantial movement to oust Dean Blandino as a result of a call that most fans out Dallas agreed with.
It will serve as a nice fallback for you if someone counters that the rule itself is flawed. I have no clue why you went on the 1973 tangent.
I used the phrase "according to the rules in place at the time" and, for some reason, you called that a disclaimer. If we are not supposed to use the rules in place at the time the game was played, what should we be using?
 

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Even subconsciously I try to elude the guilt that is entirely my own. Thank you for making me face and confront the truth, however unpleasant and agonizing it may be. Perhaps this will be the first step in a long journey toward redemption, and perhaps now the team can begin to experience some success as a result.

Amen brother
A true come to Jesus moment
glad I could help
 

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Ahhh
I can only hope that the irony in your post does not escape you
Yes, you're right. We should be discussing how that play is a catch circa 1984 - as if that has some sort of relevance. :facepalm:
 

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What it proves is that there is no going to be a substantial movement to oust Dean Blandino as a result of a call that most fans out Dallas agreed with.
I used the phrase "according to the rules in place at the time" and, for some reason, you called that a disclaimer. If we are not supposed to use the rules in place at the time the game was played, what should we be using?
First, you shift the goal posts, scratch the field goal attempt, and PUNT the unquantified "vast majority" discussion point out of the conversation. Next, you stay firmly planted on the road to 1973ville.

I give up. You and Nathan keep exaggerating.
 

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First, you shift the goal posts, scratch the field goal attempt, and PUNT the unquantified "vast majority" discussion point out of the conversation. Next, you stay firmly planted on the road to 1973ville.

I give up. You and Nathan keep exaggerating.
I am not going to address something as ridiculously unscientific as a voluntary internet poll. People upset by the call are far more likely to voice their opinion than those who aren't. And that's a fact.

What exactly am I saying that you take issue with? Even if we set aside the "vast majority" comment, it simply cannot be argued that fans of other teams are so dissatisfied with that particular call that they feel people should lose their jobs over it.
 

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I am not going to address something as ridiculously unscientific as a voluntary internet poll. People upset by the call are far more likely to voice their opinion than those who aren't. And that's a fact.
Quantifying overall popular opinion takes a little more work than simply reading comments on a few websites and commentary on television programs. Now, if in your opinion, you can accurately convey what no one is saying, some people are saying, most people are saying, or everyone is saying based on such simple methods, I will respect your way of assimilating information and leave it as such.
What exactly am I saying that you take issue with? Even if we set aside the "vast majority" comment, it simply cannot be argued that fans of other teams are so dissatisfied with that particular call that they feel people should lose their jobs over it.
First, read these:

vast
adjective \ˈvast\

: very great in size, amount, or extent
majority
noun ma·jor·i·ty \mə-ˈjȯr-ə-tē, -ˈjär-\


: a number that is greater than half of a total
: a number of votes that is more than half of the total number
: the group or party that is the greater part of a large group


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vast
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority

Now, in your own opinion, which usage would you consider more appropriate for properly emphasizing the context of your previous comments?

a) "The majority of fans..."

or

b) "The vast majority of fans..."
 

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Not curious enough to read what I've written repeatedly. Get Dean Blandino fired. Get the rule abolished. Two feet in bounds with possession is simple. Keep it that way. Anything else lets the former comedian who is thousands of miles away TAMPER with the outcome of the game because of it. That cannot be the norm for the 2015 season.

but i'm certainly apathetic enough not to give a ****.
 

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Quantifying overall popular opinion takes a little more work than simply reading comments on a few websites and commentary on television programs. Now, if in your opinion, you can accurately convey what no one is saying, some people are saying, most people are saying, or everyone is saying based on such simple methods, I will respect your way of assimilating information and leave it as such.
First, read these:

vast
adjective \ˈvast\

: very great in size, amount, or extent
majority
noun ma·jor·i·ty \mə-ˈjȯr-ə-tē, -ˈjär-\


: a number that is greater than half of a total
: a number of votes that is more than half of the total number
: the group or party that is the greater part of a large group


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vast
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority

Now, in your own opinion, which usage would you consider more appropriate for properly emphasizing the context of your previous comments?

a) "The majority of fans..."

or

b) "The vast majority of fans..."
What part of "set aside" do you not understand?

Basically your issue is with my usage of the phrase "vast majority" but apparently you agree that I am correct with the point that, no matter what number of people agree with or disagree with the call, it simply cannot be argued that fans of other teams are so dissatisfied with that particular call that they feel people should lose their jobs over it.

No need to argue over ridiculously unscientific polling data when we both agree that fan outrage outside the Metroplex is virtually non-existent.
 

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Now for something remotely approaching measurably verifiable info although VERY unscientific. Here are links to Internet polls asking questions about the catch and/or the rule:

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...ch-controversial-dez-bryant-play-reversed.ece
http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/01/did_dez_bryant_really_make_tha.html
http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/..._rule_after_dez_bryant_catch_controversy.html
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/01/dallas_cowboys_vs_green_bay_pa_9.html
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-dez-bryant-catch-ruling-20150112-htmlstory.html
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/01/12/morning-show-poll-dez-bryant-catch-or-no-catch/
http://www.silive.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/01/poll_should_the_complicated_nf.html

There. Any claims made from these sources will still be weak because the polls aren't scientific but they do employ some degree of collective measurability--not unorganized opinion assumptions.

You're welcome.

I looked at poll 3 and 4 on the list and majority say it was a catch.
one had the video, and I think it was a catch. His knee was down before ball hit the ground, and the ref right there had ruled it a catch and ball at
goal line.
To overturn the call the ref made on the field, it has to be clear evidence, and this was not clear, it was debatable.
So the call on the field should have stood.

but part of the rule is control of the ball thru hitting the ground, and this was not clear, but they used that part to overturn the ruling on the field.

And I also think only refs and replay officials assigned to the game and at the game should make any overturns.
You cant have people in league office overturning calls in a game they are not at or assigned to.
 

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What part of "set aside" do you not understand?

Basically your issue is with my usage of the phrase "vast majority" but apparently you agree that I am correct with the point that, no matter what number of people agree with or disagree with the call, it simply cannot be argued that fans of other teams are so dissatisfied with that particular call that they feel people should lose their jobs over it.

No need to argue over ridiculously unscientific polling data when we both agree that fan outrage outside the Metroplex is virtually non-existent.
If you must set aside something you say, why are you compelled to say it at all?

You are so caught up in wanting to be right that you totally miss the fact I never stated you were wrong. I never implied you are wrong. However, you exaggerated. Nathan exaggerated. Both of you exaggerated your respective arguments when it was totally unnecessary. A solid conversion device is avoiding exaggeration. Stick to the relevant stuff. Leave out the irrevelant fluff.

EDIT: I should read instead of scan.

Virtually non-existent is an exaggeration.

******. Some people.
 
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I am not going to address something as ridiculously unscientific as a voluntary internet poll. People upset by the call are far more likely to voice their opinion than those who aren't. And that's a fact.

What exactly am I saying that you take issue with? Even if we set aside the "vast majority" comment, it simply cannot be argued that fans of other teams are so dissatisfied with that particular call that they feel people should lose their jobs over it.

what is in the water that makes people want everyone fired because someone did something they didn't agree with?

chill out, beavis. the world doesn't revolve around your views and no matter how much i disagree with the official, that's my call. should i lose my job because some nutt-whack-a-doo is mad at people thinking it WAS a catch?

spend $1.91 all in change never using the same coin twice and you'll be much more productive and happier than you are now.

fired? really?

again, chill out beavis.
 

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What part of "set aside" do you not understand?

Basically your issue is with my usage of the phrase "vast majority" but apparently you agree that I am correct with the point that, no matter what number of people agree with or disagree with the call, it simply cannot be argued that fans of other teams are so dissatisfied with that particular call that they feel people should lose their jobs over it.

No need to argue over ridiculously unscientific polling data when we both agree that fan outrage outside the Metroplex is virtually non-existent.

Well I think fans of other teams have lost completions to this same rule, so it isnt about the one play , it is the rule itself.
Also having someone not at the game decide whether it is a catch or not, does not seem right.
They can then jump in on any big call and overturn it , which is not right. Refs at the game should make any overturns.
 

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yeah @ nathan , you need to go for changes, but not firing blandino, that isnt going to happen , and actually works against what you
want.
 

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what is in the water that makes people want everyone fired because someone did something they didn't agree with?

chill out, beavis. the world doesn't revolve around your views and no matter how much i disagree with the official, that's my call. should i lose my job because some nutt-whack-a-doo is mad at people thinking it WAS a catch?

spend $1.91 all in change never using the same coin twice and you'll be much more productive and happier than you are now.

fired? really?

again, chill out beavis.
I never said I wanted the guy fired, so I'm not really sure to whom you're responding.
 

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Well I think fans of other teams have lost completions to this same rule, so it isnt about the one play , it is the rule itself.
For every team that lost a completion to this rule, there is a defense that gained an incompletion.

As I said above, there is no way to structure this rule that will make everyone happy all the time, and have everyone agree on what is or isn't a catch.
Also having someone not at the game decide whether it is a catch or not, does not seem right.
They can then jump in on any big call and overturn it , which is not right. Refs at the game should make any overturns.
Eh, when you consider that instant replay challenges are viewed on TV monitors, it doesn't really matter if the guy viewing the monitor is in the stadium or not.
 

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I never said I wanted the guy fired, so I'm not really sure to whom you're responding.

the general "FIRE THEM" attitude people have these days, so i guess looking back i was agreeing with you. i think. dunno anymore.

it's no longer safe to post because someone may get mad at what i say and demand i lose my job.
 
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