We have to take a QB high in the draft

Ashwynn

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Been reading here and there about our up coming draft with an eye on the qb position. No hard facts to back up anything I say here, I am not a student of the college game, I only know what I know from reading what "experts" and fans write about the players and watching game footage and highlight reels when available.

It just seems to me that we need a good young QB that can hopefully sit for a year or two under a healthy Romo and watch and learn an then take over when the appropriate time comes, and if needed can step in today and play at a high level. The key here being a healthy Romo. Thats far from a sure thing and the odds would say almost less then 50% chance it happens.

The QBs in question range from # 4 pick to the 7th round. I dont recall the 7th rounder I have seen mocked to the boys, but I dont want a 7th rounder being the main back up, nor the potential "franchise QB" for the boys. I know Wentz, Lynch and Goff are all potential firswt round picks but none are consensus #1 picks. Thats ok with me. II do believe that all would be good enough to start for the boys for a decade with a good Oline and a good D behind him. I've seen a few QBs mocked in the 2nd or third round that would also fit the bill here. I would not feel comfortable taking a potential QB after the third given our QB woes. I think we need to draft someone that can play at a high level this year if needed, because I think its more than possible he may have to; I've read of RGIII and Manzel and even McCoy as FA that the boys could make a play for. I really dont want any of these. McCoy would be my preference maybe but I picture Weeden 2.0 with him, not a pretty picture. I am not sure how I feel about our back ups now. Cassell did not instill confidence in me and the other guy (I forget his name too, but Floaty loves him) I am leaning towards not liking him long term.

I know about the need to have a stout D, I am a firm believer in the adage that Defense wins championships, but thats only true if the offense is at least adequate. The 86 bears team could not have won anything if there offense only scored 10 points a game. I think we can get both a very good QB and better than average D help in this draft. Secondary and D line. But we have to take the QB first and then work on the D. My choice right now before the combine would be Wentz and then Lynch and then Goff depending on how the draft falls, But I do believe either would be more than sufficient to win here, being groomed by Romo.

My biggest fear is we neglect the QB position and go 8-8ish for the next few years and never have the chance to draft a difference maker at the QB position again without giving up a few draft choices to move up to a top 5 pick. I am so not looking forward to mediocrity any more. I hate not being a winning team. We are the Cowboys with a proud history of winning, We have not done that in 20 + years. Being a fan since 1973, I so want to get back to being one of the perennial favorites to win it all. My son is 24 and hes never known a Cowboyus team that was very good, outside of the smoke and mirrors 12-4 team. I think it starts with taking a top rated QB at #4. I dont know if a QB taken later would be ok or not, Sure you can find 3rd rounders and 7th rounders that went on to great careers littered throughout the NFL rosters of history. Even Romo was undrafted. I know this. But your chances go up tremendously taking a blue chip, or as close as you can get to that.

Just my take on this as we banter back and forth between taking DE's, LBers and secondary over the QB position with the #4 pick I just feel we have to get our head right with ball and the smartest thing is taking a QB high in the draft. Without that I fear we will become the Cleveland Browns, if were not already.
 

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You can get all those other pieces in any draft. You are rarely in position to get a franchise QB. Even rarer when your own QB is old and breaking down. So while I'd love to discuss the possibilities at 4 for months it's real simple for me. If the Cowboys have a franchise QB grade on any of those three prospects that has to be the pick. Even if it means going up to 1 to get that guy.
 

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I'm a fan of taking a qb at #4, but be very careful of 'have to'. The qb bust rate is pretty high so can't take one if you don't feel very good about it. That's how you become the Browns. They've taken several qbs in the first, just not very good ones.
 

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I'm a fan of taking a qb at #4, but be very careful of 'have to'. The qb bust rate is pretty high so can't take one if you don't feel very good about it. That's how you become the Browns. They've taken several qbs in the first, just not very good ones.

If the scouting department grades them that high you have to. Otherwise there's no point of even employing those scouts.

Every position has a bust rate. QB is just the most visible. If the mentality is don't draft a QB high because the Browns have failed in the past, we are truly a lost cause.
 

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If the scouting department grades them that high you have to. Otherwise there's no point of even employing those scouts.

Every position has a bust rate. QB is just the most visible. If the mentality is don't draft a QB high because the Browns have failed in the past, we are truly a lost cause.

Maybe I could have worded my post better, but you're basically arguing my point. I'd be happy with a qb at 4, I just disagree with the original post of saying we have to. If Wentz is the guy we want but the Browns take him at 2 you don't take another qb you dont love just to take one. Jerry probably thought we had to get mo Claiborne. Have to gets you in trouble.
 

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What they should do (draft a franchise QB) and what I think they will do are likely different.
 

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What they should do (draft a franchise QB) and what I think they will do are likely different.

Im not so sure about that. I think they fell in love with Wentz at the Senior Bowl and are trying to play it down
 

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You can get all those other pieces in any draft. You are rarely in position to get a franchise QB. Even rarer when your own QB is old and breaking down. So while I'd love to discuss the possibilities at 4 for months it's real simple for me. If the Cowboys have a franchise QB grade on any of those three prospects that has to be the pick. Even if it means going up to 1 to get that guy.

1. IF...remember IF because if they don't take one it does not mean they screwed the pooch IF they did not grade the three as Franchise players. Keep this in mind when you go ballistic for days, weeks, months or years IF they don't take one of these guys. Remember your own caveat.

2. No...you don't overpay like a washington would. Now we are not as far down as they were but at the same time if Jerry get's a glimmer in his eye over a player the trade value rarely works out in our favor even when they try and float us a bs line about the trade chart they used for this or that draft worked out exactly right for the trade.
 

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Im not so sure about that. I think they fell in love with Wentz at the Senior Bowl and are trying to play it down

I think they watched two dominant D Lines get to the SB, and a team win it with a mannequin at QB. One thing that has killed this franchise for decades is the "one player away" belief.
 

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I think they watched two dominant D Lines get to the SB, and a team win it with a mannequin at QB. One thing that has killed this franchise for decades is the "one player away" belief.

Could be, but I think Jerry believes we would have been there with a QB. I do think we will add to the DL, but not at 4. I see them possibly trading back into the first for Robert Nkemdiche
 

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Is it April yet?? Not sure I can take another 2 months of the exact same argument over and over again
 

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That is a horrible approach to the draft.

Im not saying take one cause one is there, Im saying Goff, Lynch and Wentz all all considered Legit first round talent, None are the Quincy Carter, Jamarcus Russel reach/bust type picks, all of them could develop into a great QB for a decade or more. When you have this type talent and you need a QB you should take one of them.
 

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When you pick at #4 its Hall of Fame or Bust..
Might as well trade down and get two for one of the same caliber.
I might pull the trigger on Goff if he's still there at #4 but I'm not reaching for jags...
 

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Im not saying take one cause one is there, Im saying Goff, Lynch and Wentz all all considered Legit first round talent, None are the Quincy Carter, Jamarcus Russel reach/bust type picks, all of them could develop into a great QB for a decade or more. When you have this type talent and you need a QB you should take one of them.

That's all very up to debate. A lot of people believe wentz, goff, and lynch are the product of a poor qb class, and over valued because this year lacks a true franchise qb prospect.
 

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You only "have to" if the grade dictates it. Not have to just to take any QB. Nobody's ever argued to take any QB. That's a distortion from the draft for immediate need and rightnow! production crowd. IF the grade is there, and it should be, the QB is the only choice to make.

I honestly don't see the debate. There is no sure thing. That doesn't exist in the draft. There is no better value with that pick than a franchise QB. So that's the pick and if we only have one of those on our board, I'm not about to let the Cleveland friggin Browns take him from us. I'm moving up with a very receptive trade partner in Tennessee.
 

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When you pick at #4 its Hall of Fame or Bust..
Might as well trade down and get two for one of the same caliber.
I might pull the trigger on Goff if he's still there at #4 but I'm not reaching for jags...

Then if we pick at 4 (whoever that turns out to be) then you may vey well be disappointed.

Nobody seems to be a sure fire, can't miss prospect.

And as for trading down, what are you going to get even if you can find somebody to trade with?
 
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