We have to take a QB high in the draft

[BrAinPaiNt]

Is it April yet?? Not sure I can take another 2 months of the exact same argument over and over again

Log off for a month or two and you will fill better and quit posting the same repetitive thing while complaining about repetitive threads with repetitive topics.....too repetitive?

 

[tm1119]

Log off for a month or two and you will fill better and quit posting the same repetitive thing while complaining about repetitive threads with repetitive topics.....too repetitive?

Or people could actually try having meaningful dialogue on more than 1 topic...too much to ask for I guess.

 

[Ashwynn]

That's all very up to debate. A lot of people believe wentz, goff, and lynch are the product of a poor qb class, and over valued because this year lacks a true franchise qb prospect.

This is all true, Its subjective and relative to hte poster. I understand this. I am not saying all 3 or any of them are sure fire canton bound in 20 years. I just feel that we need a top tier QB NOW. If were drafting 15-20 over the next 5 years we are not going to get a chance to get a top tier QB at all unless we trade our draft class for a top pick which hurts us in the future.

Of all options available, I am thinking just draft Wents, Lynch of Goff and lets try to build a great D with whats left.

Free Agency can help in a lot of areas, but we are not going to get an Aaron Rodgers, Matt Ryan type in FA, I dont think that any of the guys draft-able at 4 are Rodgers, but I think Ryan is definitely obtainable out of the guys available at 4. I would be happy with Ryan at qb if we could get him, but not likely so get the next best thing. That would be Wentz, Lynch of Goff.

 

[CF74]

Then if we pick at 4 (whoever that turns out to be) then you may vey well be disappointed.

Nobody seems to be a sure fire, can't miss prospect.

And as for trading down, what are you going to get even if you can find somebody to trade with?

There are a few potential stars available at #4.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Or people could actually try having meaningful dialogue on more than 1 topic...too much to ask for I guess.

You have been a member here for about 10 years and you still have to ask...too much to ask for?

I go through my phases of complaining about the same old repetitive crap as well but frankly I think we all know it is going to be the same and just deal with it.

 

[tm1119]

You have been a member here for about 10 years and you still have to ask...too much to ask for?

I go through my phases of complaining about the same old repetitive crap as well but frankly I think we all know it is going to be the same and just deal with it.

Yeah I know, and I'm usually not the 1 to complain, but this last week or so has been really bad. I guess I should expect it since we're picking higher than normal, but it's just crazy seeing the same people debating the same thing across 1/2 of the front page. Can we rename the board Myles Jack and the QB dilemma? Or at least start a cool band out of it lol?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Yeah I know, and I'm usually not the 1 to complain, but this last week or so has been really bad. I guess I should expect it since we're picking higher than normal, but it's just crazy seeing the same people debating the same thing across 1/2 of the front page. Can we rename the board Myles Jack and the QB dilemma? Or at least start a cool band out of it lol?

Get used to it or log off for a month or so.

It is not going to go away and it is only going to get more intense.

Maybe...MAYBE when FA starts and we start getting some players at certain positions and let other players go at certain positions...we might start honing in on who the cowboys will take.

For example...if we let Mo walk and/or get rid of Carr...but we don't bring in someone at the same position...this QB vs Jack might become moot as we are probably going to take Ramsey...keep in mind Ramsey is a person that we all should consider right now because I am pretty sure the Cowboys are considering him.

To me...One of the two top QBs, Jack and Ramsey are the ones in the mix right now.

Now if we wind up signing an RGIII...and we listen to Jerry about going defense...maybe at that time we start putting the emphasis on Jack, Ramsey or another D player and not so much on the QBs (from a standpoint of what the COWBOYS will do, not what we as fans would do).

This is going to be the same arguments, the same topics until the draft with just a few adjustments depending on FA and also depending on how the combine goes....but in general I think the arguments will be the two top QBs, Jack and Ramsey and if a DT/DE blow up the combine...they might start making a splash in the arguments on the board.

 

[MikeT22]

And as for trading down, what are you going to get even if you can find somebody to trade with?

Depends on how far we move down. If we traded down it would probably be with a team coveting a QB who we didn't fall in love with. One plausible scenario would be SF at #7.

I've seen Goff, Wentz, Ramsey, Bosa, Jack, Treadwell, Elliot, Buckner all mocked to us at #4. I'd say if we moved to #7, at least two of these would be still be available: Jack, Treadwell, Elliot, Buckner. At that point we could also be in the range of players such as Noah Spence, Hargreaves, Ashawn Robinson, etc.

If we aren't sold on a QB in the top 5 I would be in favor of moving down a few spots. Picking up a high 2nd round pick in the deal and still ending up with a top 10 player and possibly someone we may have taken at #4 would be very appealing. A move down to the 10-15 range would be riskier because we would be moving into the next tier of players, but would probably get more picks in the process.

 

[conner01]

You can get all those other pieces in any draft. You are rarely in position to get a franchise QB. Even rarer when your own QB is old and breaking down. So while I'd love to discuss the possibilities at 4 for months it's real simple for me. If the Cowboys have a franchise QB grade on any of those three prospects that has to be the pick. Even if it means going up to 1 to get that guy.

Totally agree but I'm beginning to fear jerry will want a guy he can see on the field this year. To me QB is a no brainier and personally I like Wentz the most but really worried jerry will not want to draft a guy to sit and learn which means giving up a ton of picks in a couple years to have any chance at a top QB prospect

 

[darthseinfeld]

That's all very up to debate. A lot of people believe wentz, goff, and lynch are the product of a poor qb class, and over valued because this year lacks a true franchise qb prospect.

I feel that way about the defensive talent in this draft. Alot of them are valued so high because of how weak it is at the top. Very middle heavy defensive draft with no guaranteed Pro Bowlers

 

[Alexander]

This is going to be the same arguments

I don't believe you.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Get used to it or log off for a month or so.

It is not going to go away and it is only going to get more intense.

Maybe...MAYBE when FA starts and we start getting some players at certain positions and let other players go at certain positions...we might start honing in on who the cowboys will take.

For example...if we let Mo walk and/or get rid of Carr...but we don't bring in someone at the same position...this QB vs Jack might become moot as we are probably going to take Ramsey...keep in mind Ramsey is a person that we all should consider right now because I am pretty sure the Cowboys are considering him.

To me...One of the two top QBs, Jack and Ramsey are the ones in the mix right now.

Now if we wind up signing an RGIII...and we listen to Jerry about going defense...maybe at that time we start putting the emphasis on Jack, Ramsey or another D player and not so much on the QBs (from a standpoint of what the COWBOYS will do, not what we as fans would do).

This is going to be the same arguments, the same topics until the draft with just a few adjustments depending on FA and also depending on how the combine goes....but in general I think the arguments will be the two top QBs, Jack and Ramsey and if a DT/DE blow up the combine...they might start making a splash in the arguments on the board.

I already know what they are going to do

 

[Vinnie2u]

I think they watched two dominant D Lines get to the SB, and a team win it with a mannequin at QB. One thing that has killed this franchise for decades is the "one player away" belief.

But Denver Wouldn't of been there without Osweiller.. We need Romo's replacement.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I feel that way about the defensive talent in this draft. Alot of them are valued so high because of how weak it is at the top. Very middle heavy defensive draft with no guaranteed Pro Bowlers

I would agree, and i think you could say that about most positions this season. A real lack of elite talent, but seems to be a lot of 2nd/3rd tier players. After Turnsil everyone seem to have some serious question marks. Interesting draft year thats for sure.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I would agree, and i think you could say that about most positions this season. A real lack of elite talent, but seems to be a lot of 2nd/3rd tier players. After Turnsil everyone seem to have some serious question marks. Interesting draft year thats for sure.

Reminds me alot of 2013, although not as weak at the top. Weak top of thw draft but very 2nd/3rd tiers. We could very easily get a 3rd round talent with our comp 4th

 

[hutch1254]

You can get all those other pieces in any draft. You are rarely in position to get a franchise QB. Even rarer when your own QB is old and breaking down. So while I'd love to discuss the possibilities at 4 for months it's real simple for me. If the Cowboys have a franchise QB grade on any of those three prospects that has to be the pick. Even if it means going up to 1 to get that guy.

Agree completely. I would really hate to have to give up picks to move up to 1 but it would be a necessary evil and I could understand.

I just keep thinking the following...no defensive player we draft at 4 is going to carry us to the playoffs if Romo goes down. Neither is a rookie QB if Romo goes down but at least you get a head start on the on job training of your QB. JJ Watt may have got Houston to the playoffs but that was an anomaly. Get the QB.

 

[RS12]

But Denver Wouldn't of been there without Osweiller.. We need Romo's replacement.

Careful dont let the we gotta be like Denver and have a dominating defense crowd here you say that. I havent moved from from taking a QB at 4, wont change that point of view unless somebody can prove to me that all three QBs will bust beyond any doubt. And by the way nobody mentions that Osweiller got some time to sit and develop. Funny how that worked out isnt it?

 

[Rockport]

You can get all those other pieces in any draft. You are rarely in position to get a franchise QB. Even rarer when your own QB is old and breaking down. So while I'd love to discuss the possibilities at 4 for months it's real simple for me. If the Cowboys have a franchise QB grade on any of those three prospects that has to be the pick. Even if it means going up to 1 to get that guy.

There is no consensus on any of the QB's this year being a franchise QB. In fact most if not all of different rankings of the top players don't have a QB in the top 9 and most much lower. So picking a QB 1-8 would be out of desperation. And there's a lot more uncertainty in any year picking a QB more so than any other position.

 

[Rockport]

*Tables Crashing*

When you pick at #4 its Hall of Fame or Bust..
Might as well trade down and get two for one of the same caliber.
I might pull the trigger on Goff if he's still there at #4 but I'm not reaching for jags...

Geoff has a less than 9" hand measurement which is considered a death sentence for QB's. He won't be able to play well in bad weather.

 

[Risen Star]

There is no consensus on any of the QB's this year being a franchise QB. In fact most if not all of different rankings of the top players don't have a QB in the top 9 and most much lower. So picking a QB 1-8 would be out of desperation. And there's a lot more uncertainty in any year picking a QB more so than any other position.

I see you have your speech prepared when the team makes its selection.

If you need me, I'll be over here in reality where everyone agrees 1 or more of these QBs will go in the top 5.