We held the best offense in the NFL to one touchdown

[CWR]

That's a fair statement BUT even Dak supporters should acknowledge that the D has held multiple good opponents to "below average" points and the offense has failed to put up enough to win. It's a consistent theme across his career. It can't always be someone else's failure.

I've said it before, there are times I hate sticking up for him. I only do it because the hyperbole runs so strong. Like the first Eagles game. He played his tail off and was roasted for not making the pylon. It erased his entire effort. I don't believe that is an accurate way to evaluate.

 

[Kevinicus]

And yet, the offense had the lead wit 3:39ish left in game.

No. The TEAM had the lead with 3:39.
Offenses don't have leads. Defenses don't have leads. The team does.
There is plenty of blame to go around, but the defense held the best offense in the league to a very respectable (and very beatable) 22 points. So, people whining and acting like it's all on them sound stupid.
It's definitely not all on the offense, and especially not all one one player (Dak or Leupke), but of the two sides of the ball, the offense is the one that performed more below expectations.

 

[foofighters]

Miami 30.9 PPG (1st)
Miami 411 YPG (1st)

They scored one touchdown yesterday. Who wouldn't have taken that before the game?

This loss is 100% on the offense, particularly on “Dak in the Headlights”. Rattled by Fangio again, our offense spent the entire 2nd and 3rd quarters punting and kicking field goals. Defense did its job, $60M man did not until it was too late.

Meh...we still lost. Plus rain had a hand in that too.

 

[noshame]

Miami 30.9 PPG (1st)
Miami 411 YPG (1st)

They scored one touchdown yesterday. Who wouldn't have taken that before the game?

This loss is 100% on the offense, particularly on “Dak in the Headlights”. Rattled by Fangio again, our offense spent the entire 2nd and 3rd quarters punting and kicking field goals. Defense did its job, $60M man did not until it was too late.

I was wondering when people were going to start pointing this out.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Miami 30.9 PPG (1st)
Miami 411 YPG (1st)

They scored one touchdown yesterday. Who wouldn't have taken that before the game?

This loss is 100% on the offense, particularly on “Dak in the Headlights”. Rattled by Fangio again, our offense spent the entire 2nd and 3rd quarters punting and kicking field goals. Defense did its job, $60M man did not until it was too late.

they killed us between the 20s. and because we couldn't provide proper pass protection, like they did, we got killed on offense.

 

[Gambit]

No. The TEAM had the lead with 3:39.
Offenses don't have leads. Defenses don't have leads. The team does.
There is plenty of blame to go around, but the defense held the best offense in the league to a very respectable (and very beatable) 22 points. So, people whining and acting like it's all on them sound stupid.
It's definitely not all on the offense, and especially not all one one player (Dak or Leupke), but of the two sides of the ball, the offense is the one that performed more below expectations.

It's a team you said yet single out one side for preforming below expectations, surely yo can see the conflicting message your sending, right?

 

[Kevinicus]

It's a team you said yet single out one side for preforming below expectations, surely yo can see the conflicting message your sending, right?

Not at all.

Both offense and defense play a part in all wins and losses.
That is not at all mutually exclusive from one side performing more in line with expectations that the other.

Where's the confusion?

 

[nightrain]

The Cowboys are looking like they won't be able to stay healthy enough to make any noise in the playoffs. The lack of a sustainable running game has plagued them all year, but the frailty of the OL, as I feared, will be the downfall of this team in 2023.

For those that insist Dak is the issue, you are dead wrong. He has been playing extremely well this year and can't be expected to carry a team with no running game and substandard quality depth on an OL that has experienced numerous injuries to starters this year. The defense was excellent vs. Miami, holding the hottest offense in the NFL to under 23 with only 1 TD.

If Tyron can rally to full recovery from his back issue and the starting OL can hang in there for another month, they could make some noise in the post season.

 

[Gambit]

Not at all.

Both offense and defense play a part in all wins and losses.
That is not at all mutually exclusive from one side performing more in line with expectations that the other.

Where's the confusion?

Well, when I stated the Offense gave us the lead with 3+ minutes and turned it over to the D, you insisted that the team scored that go ahead TD.

So, if It's a team pat in back then, how can it later be a singling out of the same part of the team who scored that TD?

 

[tomokawan]

I was wondering when people were going to start pointing this out.

Because it is dumb to put the loss on Dak.

 

[Kevinicus]

Well, when I stated the Offense gave us the lead with 3+ minutes and turned it over to the D, you insisted that the team scored that go ahead TD.

So, if It's a team pat in back then, how can it later be a singling out of the same part of the team who scored that TD?

A. That's not what I said.
B. How is it difficult to understand that while all play a role, that some can perform more to expectations than others?
I am not singling out. I am saying ALL play a role, but also able to compare multiple aspects against each other.
To me, the offense didn't perform up to expectations, and the defense performed closer to what you'd expect from them, and better than most teams have done against the Miami team.

That does NOT (and nothing I have said suggests this at all) mean that the defense did not play a role in the loss and couldn't have done better.

 

[rambo2]

Miami 30.9 PPG (1st)
Miami 411 YPG (1st)

They scored one touchdown yesterday. Who wouldn't have taken that before the game?

This loss is 100% on the offense, particularly on “Dak in the Headlights”. Rattled by Fangio again, our offense spent the entire 2nd and 3rd quarters punting and kicking field goals. Defense did its job, $60M man did not until it was too late.

The loss isn't that important. The Cowboys showed that they can be competitive on the road and they still would have needed an Eagle loss to win the division even if the Cowboys would have beaten Miami.

 

[Gambit]

I am not singling out

the offense didn't perform up to expectations

Sure your not.

Fact remains, the underperforming offense, your terminology scared the go ahead TD with 3 minutes and change.

Subsequent to that the defense who performed up to expectations failed to stop the Dolphins offense from scoring the winning FG and allowed them to drain the clock down.

No amount of slithering your way around that changes the facts. All I'm asking for is consistency in you're argument. You can't say in all caps the go ahead TD was a team effort, then say the part of said team who scored the TD under performed then turn around and say the part of the team that allowed game winning drive performed to expectations and remain logically consistent.

 

[Jayinem]

If only moral victories counted in the win column, we'd be Super Bowl champs.

 

[noshame]

Because it is dumb to put the loss on Dak.

I'm not putting the loss on Dak. However, Dak is part of the loss,.
Your starting quarterback in the NFL should always be pulling the team up not holding it back. Everytime we face a difficult defense Dak is question not the solution. If you fine with winning more than you lose in a mediocre league Dak's your guy.

I'm not.

 

[EastLondonCowboy]

Two plays weigh heavy for me toward that loss.

Rookie's goal line fumble
Clark facemask penalty

Let’s remember the D forcing a fumble, Wilson telling the sideline to throw the flag and them ignoring him. That was a massive turning point!

 

[EastLondonCowboy]

I'm not putting the loss on Dak. However, Dak is part of the loss,.
Your starting quarterback in the NFL should always be pulling the team up not holding it back. Everytime we face a difficult defense Dak is question not the solution. If you fine with winning more than you lose in a mediocre league Dak's your guy.

I'm not.

Dak didn’t turn into traffic instead of running to the pylon
Dak didn’t fumble the ball at the 1
Dak didn’t kill us with pre snap penalties constantly giving us 3rd and long
Dak didn’t kill us with holding penalties giving us 3rd and forever
Dak didn’t not throw the red flag when they fumbled
Dak didn’t give them a 15 yard head start when they only needed a field goal with 3 mins to go

Dak isn’t perfect but despite all the above and the left tackle constantly letting pass rushers get a free run at him he put us in front leaving the D to get one stop that’s all we needed to win the game.

We didn’t play well but we didn’t play badly, we lost to a very good team but a very small margin, but we certainly didn’t lose because of our QB

 

[Bagman]

If no fumble we win it seems. I did not see much of the game. But didn’t we take the lead at one point..

We led with 4 seconds left

 

[tomokawan]

I'm not putting the loss on Dak. However, Dak is part of the loss,.
Your starting quarterback in the NFL should always be pulling the team up not holding it back. Everytime we face a difficult defense Dak is question not the solution. If you fine with winning more than you lose in a mediocre league Dak's your guy.

I'm not.

"I'm not putting the loss on Dak". Could have fooled me.

 

[Kevinicus]

Sure your not.

Fact remains, the underperforming offense, your terminology scared the go ahead TD with 3 minutes and change.

Subsequent to that the defense who performed up to expectations failed to stop the Dolphins offense from scoring the winning FG and allowed them to drain the clock down.

No amount of slithering your way around that changes the facts. All I'm asking for is consistency in you're argument. You can't say in all caps the go ahead TD was a team effort, then say the part of said team who scored the TD under performed then turn around and say the part of the team that allowed game winning drive performed to expectations and remain logically consistent.

Please post where I said "the go ahead TD was a team effort."
You're putting words in my mouth, deliberately, I think.
I am not slithering around anything. You are either very confused about the simple concepts I'm expressing, or you're intentionally twisting my words and adding your own. My argument is perfectly consistent and you're not making any sense.


Let me pose you a query. If a team was losing 2-0 (because the offense had not scored, and had given up a safety), but then finally managed a FG near the end to take the lead, but then the the other team was also able to must a FG at the end to win it 5-3, would you then, by your logic, say the offense met expectations in that game? Because they managed to get a FG that happened to get the lead? Would you say the defense didn't meet expectations and were the cause of the defeat?
A lead is the combination of points scored and points allowed. Therefore, neither one side of the ball or the other can have a lead. It's a result of all aspects of the team (special teams too).
That does not mean, that one aspect of the team can't perform better than other parts of the team, or that their success/failure didn't have a bigger impact on the results.
So, it's perfectly consistent to suggest, for example, that while both the offense and defense (and ST) played a role in a loss and have some blame, one side performed better than the other and/or more closely performed to expectations.

The offense doing better than the defense does not absolve the offense of blame. The defense doing better than the offense does not absolve the defense of blame.