We need a real gm. Look at philly

[Sydla]

BUT do we really need 2 threads on the Cowboys forum about the philly GM? we get it there are MANY GM"s that are an extreme upgrade to our situation..but seriously can the 2 "I love the Philly GM" threads be merged to one big love the eagles fest?

It's not about "love" of Roseman.

It's about simply pointing out the obvious and not being such a homer that you can't admit that our divisional rival just is better than we are and run but one of the better GMs in football.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The misinformed including all pro football writers of America, who made Howie the only GM to win executive of the year twice in the last 15 years

Yep. Eagles fans and the misinformed.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Since Dak has been on the Cowboys the Eagles have rebuilt around two different QBs and been too 2 Super Bowls, winning 1.

They’ve lapped Dallas.

True..............

 

[phildadon86]

Didn't the GM and Coach in Philly almost get fired last year?

Yes.

And because they dont have unlimited rope to pretend they are football people they had to fix things.

In Dallas on the flipside. Unlimited job security, pockets bursting at the seams, and we get more of the same.

 

[Sydla]

Didn't the GM and Coach in Philly almost get fired last year?

Roseman's job was not in question last year. He was not going to get fired. He's close to Lurie.

But Sirianni's was. So to try to support him, they fired both coordinators, went out and got two new ones and some new staff members. They also had a vision of what they wanted to do - run the ball to help Hurts - so they went out and got a really good RB to go with their good OL. They also addressed their issues at LB and in the secondary both in FA and in the draft. They worked the cap to sign some key pieces in FA.

Conversely, we kept our coach because it was apparently too expensive to fire him apparently. Didn't fire even one coach, only replaced the DC (and a downgrade at that) because our DC took another job. We did nothing in FA. Waited until the last minute to sign our latest big contracts providing no cap relief when we could have used it. Watched as our depth got stripped from us and did nothing about it. Our GM overvalued how good the roster was when he was explaining to us why we didn't need to do anything in FA.

The fact we have fans trying to justify this or try to take Philly down to make us better is hilarious but also kind of pathetic.

 

[KingCorcoran]

The ability of a GM is not shown in the first round, but in the later rounds. That's where a team is filled out.

I must be one of the misinformed. I see a GM that has an offense with 8 of 11 starters drafted by the organization. 9 of the 11 backups were drafted by the organization. AJ Brown was a trade to fill a hole, and Becton was a FA pickup, after being assured by Jeff Stoutland that he could be converted to play guard. Barkley needs no explanation.

On defense, 7 of 11 starters were drafted by the organization, with the next 10 backups all drafted by the organization.

Since becoming executive vice president and general manager on June 13, 2019, his 1st round picks have been:
2019: Andre Dillard, bust
2020: Jalen Raegor, bust
2021: DaVonte Smith, hit, would be #1 on some teams, would gladly take him as our #2
2022: Jordan Davis, eats double teams and would personally drive Mazi to the airport for Davis. Run stuffer who is only getting better. Hit.
2023: Jalen Carter. Carter is probably all-pro this year. Aaron Donald himself said he is passing the torch to him. Hit
2023: Nolan Smith: After a slow start, is now proving his worth and deserving of that pick. Looks to be a hit.
2024: Quinyon Mitchell: Hit. This rookie might be all-pro his first year.

So, since fully taking over in 2019, he has two busts and five hits, a few of those hits home runs. Pretty damn good record. When he saw the debacle of last year, he wasted no time in replacing coordinators, an area he identified as an issue. His team building has stocked the team with draft picks he made. He also will take advice, which is a big reason they drafted Cam Jurgens, who has turned into a top-five center. He is currently on the Jason Kelce trajectory. I'm not saying he will be as good as Kelce (one of the top three center in NFL history) but he is legit top-five now. He has improved tremendously.

If someone doesn't perform, he is not afraid to cut bait. He doesn't let his ego get in the way of bad performances. That's why his 2019 and 2020 picks are gone.

The team is currently a legit SB contender. It is stocked with his players. Sorry, we agree about 98% of the time, but you are wrong on this one.

Dillard is still in the league (Packers), is 29 years old, has earned $24 million in his career. Reagor is still in the league (Chargers), 25 years old, has earned $15 million in his career. Not stars, not busts either. Both are free agents after this season, better than most reserves on the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Dillard is still in the league (Packers), is 29 years old, has earned $24 million in his career. Reagor is still in the league (Chargers), 25 years old, has earned $15 million in his career. Not stars, not busts either. Both are free agents after this season, better than most reserves on the Dallas Cowboys.

I do mean busts as 1st rounders. You are correct in that both are still in the league and contribute in some way to their current teams.

 

[NFCBeasts]

Philly fell apart just last year. Sure things could go well for them this year, but you never know. Detroit looks like they might get over the hump.

But neither of those points nullify that we don’t have a real GM.

 

[Legendz82]

The wild thing is that Roseman is basically just doing what fans would do as a GM.

Don't get me wrong, the way he achieves it is masterful and requires a savvy professional.

But these are not some galaxy brain, subtle moves he's making. It's just the balls to make common sense moves.

For instance-- Run game not great? Just sign the best RB out there.

I mean that is a little simplistic. Yes he signed the best rb but you also have to make the numbers work. That’s said, he had other incredible moves this offseason. The signing of a Baun a special teamer edge rusher and moving to inside literally changed his career. You could say the same thing for Becton on offense. His career was on life support as a failed tackle. He brings him in and moves him to guard and he has been a stud. Sure, coaching has a hand in that but he seen the talent. Let’s not forget the balls to stand pat for the best corner in the draft to fall to them. That let him keep resources to trade up for dejean another stud. Did all his moves work no but the guy had a money offseason. Crazy to say he just signs all the best players, anyone could that.

 

[Nova]

I mean that is a little simplistic. Yes he signed the best rb but you also have to make the numbers work. That’s said, he had other incredible moves this offseason. The signing of a Baun a special teamer edge rusher and moving to inside literally changed his career. You could say the same thing for Becton on offense. His career was on life support as a failed tackle. He brings him in and moves him to guard and he has been a stud. Sure, coaching has a hand in that but he seen the talent. Let’s not forget the balls to stand pat for the best corner in the draft to fall to them. That let him keep resources to trade up for dejean another stud. Did all his moves work no but the guy had a money offseason. Crazy to say he just signs all the best players, anyone could that.

That’s not quite what I meant.

My point was that dude doesn’t get wrapped up in NFL FO groupthink.

And he doesn’t have “Galaxy Brain” decisions, which are decisions that appear insightful or profound but are actually nonsense.

A good example of both of the above is the Giants attitude toward Saquon because they committed to Daniel Jones.

But since you brought up Mitchell and Dejean. Both were total need picks and akin to a fans mock draft. Both are good picks but again the formula was “CBs bad? Draft CBs in high rounds”.

Kind of in line with what I meant.

 

[KingCorcoran]

I mean that is a little simplistic. Yes he signed the best rb but you also have to make the numbers work. That’s said, he had other incredible moves this offseason. The signing of a Baun a special teamer edge rusher and moving to inside literally changed his career. You could say the same thing for Becton on offense. His career was on life support as a failed tackle. He brings him in and moves him to guard and he has been a stud. Sure, coaching has a hand in that but he seen the talent. Let’s not forget the balls to stand pat for the best corner in the draft to fall to them. That let him keep resources to trade up for dejean another stud. Did all his moves work no but the guy had a money offseason. Crazy to say he just signs all the best players, anyone could that.

Coaching has a huge hand in any team’s success. More so than the efforts of the GM. The Eagles are no different. Their owner was less concerned with how his team finished the regular season and more concerned his team was not in the Super Bowl. They won lots of games in the last three seasons, too, and that was not good enough.

Sirianni is having another good season and if they don’t have success in the playoffs he’ll get fired with another season to go on his contract. McCarthy’s team is struggling this season, he’s on the last year of his deal, and Jerry Jones is talking about giving him a new contract. That’s a difference.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We don’t have a “model” or “plan” or “football philosophy”. It’s management by crisis with no vision.

its management by Jersey sales and marketing......its a business philosophy, not football philosophy...make annual changes to maximize profits in a fiscal year.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yeah they fell apart but one is a complete and utter fool if one doesn't see that one franchise has been much better run the last 7-8 years than the other.

And yeah, Philly collapsed last year and got blown out in the playoffs. We also got blown out in the playoffs. Roseman realized they had real issues and went about rectifying them with new coordinators, an aggressive offseason, etc. Our guy sat on his *** and did literally nothing on his own.

These two franchises aren't even in the same stratosphere. The Eagles are what the Cowboys should be.

exactly. something went wrong with Philly, so they made moves to make themselves better. like getting Barkley even if slightly over pay...not they leading the division and quietly making a run.
we signed Zeke!!! because there was an inventory of #21 Zeke jerseys that needed to be sold!!!

one has won a superbowl and been to another one going to the brink of victory only to lose to an already HOF QB and all time best perhaps...

the other.....well everyone can see the results for themselves

 

[CowboyFrog]

The misinformed including all pro football writers of America, who made Howie the only GM to win executive of the year twice in the last 15 years

didnt these same writers vote Jerry into the HOF? Lets not act like they dont make mistakes....

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

didnt these same writers vote Jerry into the HOF? Lets not act like they dont make mistakes....

Jerry is a HoF level owner. He’s built his team’s brand better than anyone

 

[CowboyFrog]

Jerry is a HoF level owner. He’s built his team’s brand better than anyone

who should take the blame for the GM hire?

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

who should take the blame for the GM hire?

One of 5 GMs ever to win 3 Super Bowls

 

[Sydla]

didnt these same writers vote Jerry into the HOF? Lets not act like they dont make mistakes....

He's in as an owner and his contributions to the league and their growth over the last 4 decades. Which, frankly, is deserving. He turned the Cowboys into the world's most valuable franchise and helped the NFL exploded revenue wise.

He's not in the Hall of Fame for his decision making at GM. And rightfully do because he's not a very good GM.

 

[cowboybish]

Two pro bowl receivers. A pro bowl back and hurts. P!us Dallas goedard. Are model is to have one wr A rb two grey linemen and a pad rusher. They've never Had a bad line. How are they able to Get two receivers a rb a te and Barkley but we cant. Were always top heavy. We get a pass rusher and average d ts

Are we still beating that damn horse?

 

[kskboys]

Yes.

And because they dont have unlimited rope to pretend they are football people they had to fix things.

In Dallas on the flipside. Unlimited job security, pockets bursting at the seams, and we get more of the same.

Yup. Both teams flailed and failed. One team improved drastically, the other let a bunch of players walk then played it back. Hmmmmm...