We Need TO

[iceberg]

I kind of figured that after I read his last "NFL conspiracy theory" post

yea, i was wondering also till i got my own reply from him, then i could spot zrin on a sarcasm tear. : )

 

[JBond]

Ummm is he not a part of the Bills offense that flat out sucks? If he was the answer for teams problems, as some think, then the Bills offense shouldn't suck so bad.

He's part of that suck.

TO has 8 catches and one TD.
Roy has 11 catches and one TD.

So far they both suck.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Roy Williams cannot and will not produce the same numbers as TO. By cutting TO we lost our big play, go-to receiver that we so desperately needed in that last game. Those throws to Champ Bailey? TO would have caught them.

I was one of the biggest TO supporters. Even I dont want him back. He cant fix this problem. Its quite obvious he wasnt the MAJOR problem(offensively) made him out to be. (to those who say he was finished anyway - IF Romo plays those 3 game then TO racks up 12-13 TD's and 1000+ yards but dont let that get in the way of hatred for him). But I digress.

He had another good year or two and BOTH are at fault for it not working. TO for not shutting the heck up and the Cowboys organization for not getting it done. That Romo and Garrett and Wade and Jerry - everyone. It was a concerted failure while TO was here.


I still think Roy can be a major contributor. Once Romo gets on track. Witten and Roy will thrive while Barber and Felix an co run teams down.

 

[DallasEast]

We need TO. Roy Williams cannot and will not produce the same numbers as TO. By cutting TO we lost our big play, go-to receiver that we so desperately needed in that last game. Those throws to Champ Bailey? TO would have caught them.

a) No we do not
b) Roy Williams was never signed to produce the same numbers as Owens
c) The last game could have been decided several different ways and wasn't solely dependent upon Owens' absence
d) A poor and good throw/bad execution
e) Larry Fitzgerald would have caught them, not necessarily Owens

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

b) Roy Williams was never signed to produce the same numbers as Owens

I know you would never pass up commenting on these threads. LOL

b). You are correct. Roy was signed to be part of a GREAT WR duo. Project failed.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Roy Williams cannot and will not produce the same numbers as TO. By cutting TO we lost our big play, go-to receiver that we so desperately needed in that last game. Those throws to Champ Bailey? TO would have caught them.

I need a couple of million dollars, too.

Think that'll happen anytine soon?

 

[rangers71]

Stupid thread.

 

[DallasEast]

I know you would never pass up commenting on these threads. LOL

Likewise.

b). You are correct. Roy was signed to be part of a GREAT WR duo. Project failed.

No debate there. Fortunately for Dallas, the Roy Williams project did not end there, regardless of any defeatist mantra.

 

[JBond]

Stupid thread.

Agreed. I am only posting in it to get my post count up.

Passed 4000 yesterday. Got a way to go to catch the big dogs.

 

[EPL0c0]

Garrett's passing offense is terrible and very predictable. T.O. won't change that just like last season.

"forcing" passes to Owens gives Dallas about the same results as spreading the ball around.

First 4 games:
2008: 90/139 1,202yds (13.4avg), 8TD, 4INT, 0sacks, QBRating. 99.3

2009: 76/131 990yds (13.0avg), 4TD, 4INT, 8sacks, QBRating 79.4

Getting rid of Owens did nothing to improve the passing offense, though I guess the flip side is that it hasn't hurt it much either.

But can you say that the offense hasn't improved? Maybe it has...in the running game.

First 4 games:
2008: 93 carries, 485yds (5.2avg), 6TDs
2009: 100 carries, 589yds (5.9avg), 5TDs.

Numbers are obviously up, with the drop in passing output...this is starting to smell like a stagnant offense.

 

[FCBarca]

"forcing" passes to Owens gives Dallas about the same results as spreading the ball around.

First 4 games:
2008: 90/139 1,202yds (13.4avg), 8TD, 4INT, 0sacks, QBRating. 99.3

2009: 76/131 990yds (13.0avg), 4TD, 4INT, 8sacks, QBRating 79.4

Getting rid of Owens did nothing to improve the passing offense, though I guess the flip side is that it hasn't hurt it much either.

20 pts on the QB rating and an extra TD a game would've meant the difference between 2-2 and 4-0...Sooooo

 

[iceberg]

20 pts on the QB rating and an extra TD a game would've meant the difference between 2-2 and 4-0...Sooooo

and how can you guarantee that since romo can't hit a WR right now having owens here would have made that very difference?

you can't. it's fun to do it if you're taking a side but the objective person puts a hold on such foolishness. is buffalo's qb rating 20 points higher than this time last season?

 

[EPL0c0]

hells bells, if we're talking hypotheticsls, then Dallas scores 1 or 2 pts more than the other team per game, there's a reeeeeeeeally good chance they go 19-0 last year and win the Super Bowl!

The numbers I put up aren't about what this team could potentially be doing, it's about showing where the offense is so far this year compared to last year regarding whether having/cutting TO made that much of a difference or not.

 

[Kilyin]

a) No we do not
b) Roy Williams was never signed to produce the same numbers as Owens

Considering we gave up absolutely nothing for Owens, and a first, third and sixth rounder for Williams, he should be producing greater numbers than Owens.

Gotta love those Jerry receiver trades.

 

[FCBarca]

and how can you guarantee that since romo can't hit a WR right now having owens here would have made that very difference?

you can't. it's fun to do it if you're taking a side but the objective person puts a hold on such foolishness. is buffalo's qb rating 20 points higher than this time last season?

My response was for the OP...That somehow the stats didn't support much difference - to which I, correctly, pointed out was wrong...Setting aside that it's ultimately apples & oranges for the OP to even make an argument based on those stats (Ignoring many other variables), the conclusion was still incorrect.

 

[sacase]

How's that addition by subtraction working for ya now?

We should have never cut TO without having his replacement. RoyW flat out is garbage. He offers us nothing different than PC offers. Our recieving corps is pathetic. Jerry keeps trying to make these boutique picks instead of getting guys that have proven they can play football.

TO still demands attention which would free up Witten. We have NO deep threat. But hey, keep burying your head in the sand TO haters.

 

[FCBarca]

hells bells, if we're talking hypotheticsls, then Dallas scores 1 or 2 pts more than the other team per game, there's a reeeeeeeeally good chance they go 19-0 last year and win the Super Bowl!

The numbers I put up aren't about what this team could potentially be doing, it's about showing where the offense is so far this year compared to last year regarding whether having/cutting TO made that much of a difference or not.

Your stats showed they scored 4 less TDs and the QB had a lower rating so I'm confused how there's no difference?

 

[Big Dakota]

yea, i was wondering also till i got my own reply from him, then i could spot zrin on a sarcasm tear. : )

It's been a couple days and several dozen threads.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

"forcing" passes to Owens gives Dallas about the same results as spreading the ball around.

First 4 games:
2008: 90/139 1,202yds (13.4avg), 8TD, 4INT, 0sacks, QBRating. 99.3

2009: 76/131 990yds (13.0avg), 4TD, 4INT, 8sacks, QBRating 79.4

Getting rid of Owens did nothing to improve the passing offense, though I guess the flip side is that it hasn't hurt it much either.

But can you say that the offense hasn't improved? Maybe it has...in the running game.

First 4 games:
2008: 93 carries, 485yds (5.2avg), 6TDs
2009: 100 carries, 589yds (5.9avg), 5TDs.

Numbers are obviously up, with the drop in passing output...this is starting to smell like a stagnant offense.

Those 8 sacks you're leaving out are a pretty big difference between last year and this year. I love how people just totally over look those facts like having TO would have changed the fact the O-Line is giving up more sacks.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

How's that addition by subtraction working for ya now?

We should have never cut TO without having his replacement. RoyW flat out is garbage. He offers us nothing different than PC offers. Our recieving corps is pathetic. Jerry keeps trying to make these boutique picks instead of getting guys that have proven they can play football.

TO still demands attention which would free up Witten. We have NO deep threat. But hey, keep burying your head in the sand TO haters.

Great Post, Homers unite and defend your agenda.