We should definitely listen to Gil Brandt

[KJJ]

You do know that your top 10 lists, ANY top position listings, are purely opinion pieces right? Here is a list that has Bobby Bell in the top 10, does that make me right?

http://www.sports-central.org/sports/2010/02/24/the_best_linebackers_of_alltime.php

And by the by, you do know that Dr. Doom was "Derrick Thomas" before Derrick Thomas, right? Heck, Robert Brazile was a pre-eminent pass rushing OLB even BEFORE Lawrence Taylor. Guess who he played for - Wade's daddy, Bum. If you love the game, you gots to know your history.

It's all based on opinion and the opinion of most rankings list Bobby Bell outside the top 10 so the consensus is he wasn't as highly regarded as you claim. : Alot of LB lists have his teammate Willie Lanier ranked ahead of him. You found one ranking listing Bell at #10 and unless you can find one that lists him as the greatest LB ever like you're claiming he was then you're dead wrong. LOL I can assure no one will agree with your opinion that Bell was the greatest LB of all time. Neither Dr Doom or Robert Brazile were the players/pass rushers that LT and Derrick Thomas were. Neither player impacted the game the way they did. I don't see either one of those players on anyones top 10 greatest LB lists.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Wade wasn't coaching 30-40 years ago.

Dude. What?

If you love the game, you gots to know your history.

QFT.

 

[KJJ]

Dude. What?


QFT.

I meant that post for Chocolate Lab he claimed Wade has been running the same exact defense during his entire coaching career. Bro I do know my history you might want to take your own advice. :toast:

 

[burmafrd]

Willie Lanier was great. One player who has never gotten his due was Tommy Nobis because he played at Atlanta who stank most of the time.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I meant that post for Chocolate Lab he claimed Wade has been running the same exact defense during his entire coaching career. Bro I do know my history you might want to take your own advice. :toast:

This is looking like a pointless conversation, but would you like to explain what is substantially different about it? Maybe you have some special knowledge that the rest of us aren't privy to.

 

[BAT]

Willie Lanier was great. One player who has never gotten his due was Tommy Nobis because he played at Atlanta who stank most of the time.

Willie Lanier was indeed great. In fact, he fits the description of "revolutionizing a position" better than guys like LT and Butkus (who were great not b/c they were just production/physical freaks, but b/c they scared the crap out of their opponents). Lanier was the first African American to play the MLB spot in the pros. Once upon a time, African Americans were not considered smart enough to play positions that required play calling, ie QB and middle linebacker. And as great as Lanier was (guy was not just smart, but he could flat out hit), Bobby Bell was the more impressive athlete and playmaker. Bell, Lanier and Lynch could very well be the best LB corps that ever played.

 

[KJJ]

This is looking like a pointless conversation, but would you like to explain what is substantially different about it? Maybe you have some special knowledge that the rest of us aren't privy to.

It's only a pointless conversation on yours and the other guys end. LOL Wade started coaching defense's in 85 with the Saints. He was working with some pretty bad teams. Defensive schemes evolve according to the talent a team has. You have to formulate a scheme that fits your talent or you'll be exploited. If a team doesn't have the talent defensively at certain positions they can't run a particular scheme affectively. Wade himself said he couldn't run certain versions of his defense during points in his coaching career because he didn't have the players at certain positions to do it. With a Ware and the emergence of Spencer and Jenkins this is allowing the Cowboys to do things defensively that they couldn't do without those players. It takes a certain type of player to fit a 3-4 and you have to have the right players to run Wades version affectively. If your D is lacking in one area you have to adjust what you're doing to fit the talent you have it's as simple as that.

 

[CowboyMike]

You just said 'don't trust the media guys', lol.

There is a difference between listening to Mike Mayok, who's living it is to basically be a scout and analyze the draft, and a bunch of opinionated columnists with an agenda.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

There is a difference between listening to Mike Mayok, who's living it is to basically be a scout and analyze the draft, and a bunch of opinionated columnists with an agenda.

I like Mayok, but I find him to be too "textbook" at times. The truth is, he only played a short career (2 years, if that?) in the NFL as a S, and most of his post-player carrer has been spent as a broadcaster for College, NFL, and stints with the CFL. He has never been a coach or a scout - ever. So while I like his anslysis, I also take him with a grain of salt many times. Myok may not have an agenda (he is objective in that respect), but at the end of the day, he is opinionated - nothing more.

 

[DFWJC]

I like Mayok, but I find him to be too "textbook" at times. The truth is, he only played a short career (2 years, if that?) in the NFL as a S, and most of his post-player carrer has been spent as a broadcaster for College, NFL, and stints with the CFL. He has never been a coach or a scout - ever. So while I like his anslysis, I also take him with a grain of salt many times. Myok may not have an agenda (he is objective in that respect), but at the end of the day, he is opinionated - nothing more.

Mayock seems to have a handle projecting DBs. When he backs them based on technique and overall play, he is almost always proven correct. But I've seen him miss big at other positions (like everyone else does at times).

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It's only a pointless conversation on yours and the other guys end. LOL Wade started coaching defense's in 85 with the Saints.

This is simply incorrect. As the saying goes, you're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

Really, google and wikipedia are your friend.

 

[KJJ]

This is simply incorrect. As the saying goes, you're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

Really, google and wikipedia are your friend.

I was giving an estimate as to when he started as a defensive coordinator in the NFL that's what I was referring to. I'm not going to waste my time looking up every small detail. Some of you just look for something to argue about. LOL As a defensive coordinator in the "NFL" he began sometime after 1980. Prior to that he was coaching LB's and the DL in the NFL. He was a DC in high school but it wasn't until after 1980 did he start coordinating defenses in the NFL. It took him several years to hone his skills as a DC. His defenses evolved through the years to fit the changes in the game and to fit the talent he had to work with. Those are words from Wade himself.