We should definitely listen to Gil Brandt

[TwoDeep3]

Rod Hill.

Thanks Mr. Brandt.

 

[DFWJC]

1967

1 3 23 76 Phil Clark DB Northwestern
2 4 23 103 Curtis Marker G Northern Michigan
3 6 24 157 Sims Stokes WR Northern Arizona
4 7 23 182 Rayfield Wright T Ft. Valley State
5 8 23 208 Steve Laub QB Illinois Wesleyan
6 9 23 234 Byron Morgan DB Findlay
7 10 23 260 Eugens Bowens RB Tennessee A&I
8 11 22 285 Pat Riley WR Kentucky
9 12 22 312 Harold Deters K North Carolina State
10 13 23 338 Al Kerkian DE Akron
11 14 23 364 Tommy Boyd G Tarleton State
12 15 23 390 Leavie David DB Edward Waters
13 16 23 416 Paul Brothers QB Oregon State
14 17 23 442 George Adams LB Morehead State

Here's some crazy trivia that I'm sure many (not all) of you here are not aware of.
The Kentucky WR, Pat Riley, that the Cowboys picked in 1967 was same Pat Riley who coached and played for the NBA Lakers. Talk about talented.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Really? You may want to let it go you keep coming back with these lame things like radio in the helmet or some rule changes. I'm talking about the game it is the same game changes of rules yes been many but the basic of football is still the same game passing, rushing, tackling, blocking and catching if you can't figure that out then so be it but as I said there is not 1 single offense or defense in the NFL that has not been ran before

Parcells, Ditka, and Shottenheimer are all prime examples of the game evolving beyond past football guys.

YOu can sit there and talk about fundamentals but just as there is the same fundamentals in peewee and college, one is still harder to coach than the others.

Brandt didn't know what the players were going to be asked to do 10 years ago hes been out of the FO for so long. He doesn't know the coverages or the route combinations or which players have been good at being asked to do them.

The players have changed. When he was in his prime OT went about 275. Its just a ton of tiny things that change here and there as a coach puts in a new wrinkle or a player comes in that hes just not been privy to.

There is more to it than 40 times and seeing if someone is a kneebender.

 

[Doomsday101]

Parcells, Ditka, and Shottenheimer are all prime examples of the game evolving beyond past football guys.

YOu can sit there and talk about fundamentals but just as there is the same fundamentals in peewee and college, one is still harder to coach than the others.

Brandt didn't know what the players were going to be asked to do 10 years ago hes been out of the FO for so long. He doesn't know the coverages or the route combinations or which players have been good at being asked to do them.

The players have changed. When he was in his prime OT went about 275. Its just a ton of tiny things that change here and there as a coach puts in a new wrinkle or a player comes in that hes just not been privy to.

There is more to it than 40 times and seeing if someone is a kneebender.

What does that have to do with anything. You are not comparing a 275 pound player 365lb guy it is relative to the competition you are facing. You seem to know about these things but a man who has spent his life with the game all of a sudden forgets or does not understand? Please that is beyond dumb.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What does that have to do with anything. You are not comparing a 275 pound player 365lb guy it is relative to the competition you are facing. You seem to know about these things but a man who has spent his life with the game all of a sudden forgets or does not understand? Please that is beyond dumb.

I just gave three examples of men it has happened to and I will throw Gibbs in there as well. Brandt couldn't hold any of their jocks and has been away from the game for over 20 years.

Are you going through a midlife crisis or something. People get old and times passes them by. Get over it.

 

[Doomsday101]

I just gave three examples of men it has happened to and I will throw Gibbs in there as well. Brandt couldn't hold any of their jocks and has been away from the game for over 20 years.

Are you going through a midlife crisis or something. People get old and times passes them by. Get over it.

Not going through a mid life but they do not play the game that does not mean you lose your eyes for the game. Shottenheimer was doing very well in SD before getting fired. Other guys like any other profession retire to spend more time with their family that they did not get that chance when they were active. Buffalo HC Marv Levy was well up and age and lead his team to 4 SB in a row. Age has nothing to do with their understanding of the game

 

[Doomsday101]

Sorry I just saw you are 33 so that mean older people just get stupid and do not understand the game the way you do. What fricken joke

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Dooms is right. How did the game pass those guys by? It didn't.

Other than the more liberal passing game rules the last five years or so, the game is still the same.

And this whole thread began with Gil pointing out to beware a workout warrior athlete who couldn't even make all-conference in college. Is anyone claiming that's an outdated concept?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not going through a mid life but they do not play the game that does not mean you lose your eyes for the game. Shottenheimer was doing very well in SD before getting fired. Other guys like any other profession retire to spend more time with their family that they did not get that chance when they were active. Buffalo HC Marv Levy was well up and age and lead his team to 4 SB in a row. Age has nothing to do with their understanding of the game

Marv Levy was the GM in Buffalo and may still be. Have you seen their drafts and personnel moves lately?

 

[dcfanatic]

Dooms is right. How did the game pass those guys by? It didn't.

Other than the more liberal passing game rules the last five years or so, the game is still the same.

And this whole thread began with Gil pointing out to beware a workout warrior athlete who couldn't even make all-conference in college. Is anyone claiming that's an outdated concept?

People have said that the kid was on a bad team. That writers don't watch the offensive line. That our scouts won't care if he won awards or not. Blah, blah, blah.

Gil Brandt made a great point. Even if he wasn't on a good team then he should have stood out so much for being the only good player that he would have found himself with at least one freaking vote. Even to the writers who follow that conference who don't watch the lineman, lol.

And trust me. Today's scouts are still taking in advice from Brandt. They take in every piece of advice from all the old school guys. Some of them have grown up on the game from men like Gil Brandt.

But I doubt they are taking emails from Fuzzy Lumpkins, lol.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sorry I just saw you are 33 so that mean older people just get stupid and do not understand the game the way you do. What fricken joke

I never said I understood the game better.

If you want to go ahead and believe that everything becomes rosier or stays the same physically and mentally as you age then go right ahead.

 

[burmafrd]

some gomers around here think football started 5 years ago.

If you cannot block,tackle, pass, run with or catch the football you are as worthless now as you were 40 years ago.

 

[dcfanatic]

Marv Levy was the GM in Buffalo and may still be. Have you seen their drafts and personnel moves lately?

You just think old people are stupid. How old do you think Jerry Jones is?

And he's made some good decisions. And he's made some bad decisions.

The draft is a crap shoot. Some of these players like Robert Gallery are on everyone's 'he can't fail' list. But somehow he does.

It's not rocket science, it's football.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

o·ver·sim·pli·fy (vr-smpl-f)
v. o·ver·sim·pli·fied, o·ver·sim·pli·fy·ing, o·ver·sim·pli·fies
v.tr.
To simplify to the point of causing misrepresentation, misconception, or error.
v.intr.
To cause distortion or error by extreme simplification of a subject.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

o·ver·sim·pli·fy (vr-smpl-f)
v. o·ver·sim·pli·fied, o·ver·sim·pli·fy·ing, o·ver·sim·pli·fies
v.tr.
To simplify to the point of causing misrepresentation, misconception, or error.
v.intr.
To cause distortion or error by extreme simplification of a subject.

Yes, that's exactly what you're doing.

 

[tomson75]

Dooms is right. How did the game pass those guys by? It didn't.

Other than the more liberal passing game rules the last five years or so, the game is still the same.

And this whole thread began with Gil pointing out to beware a workout warrior athlete who couldn't even make all-conference in college. Is anyone claiming that's an outdated concept?

Makes me scratch my head too...but I guess I should know better, I'm certainly on here enough to expect this sort of thing.

What I find interesting is that Brandt is simply saying the same thing that many other people have noted. Whether or not Brandt's credibility is intact is of little importance here.

And in this particular instance, it would seem that he's right...at least in my opinion. I mean, how can an NFL team expect to field a player whose game (relative to his peers) wasn't even respected or notable at the college level?

I have a hard time believing this has escaped the attention of team scouts, too.

 

[KJJ]

Rules have changed things you can do in the game it did not change the game. As for the HC that is your talk you make a claim back it up. The size of the field is the same the object of the game is still the same teams still look to run and stop the run team run the same kinds of offensive schemes they have ran for years. Many of the things you are talking about are changes in rules yet the game is still the same game. No doubt teams look to take advantage of the rules if you make it easier to pass the ball teams will look to throw more often yet the routs these guys run same old routs.

You think because the object of the game is the same and the field is still a hundred yards long the game is exactly the same from 30-40 years ago. :laugh2: Dude the size and speed of players and the many rule changes have changed strategy and new wrinkles have had to be developed so teams can counter. When a rule change is made it affects the game and how you play it. Teams have to come up with new wrinkles. The two point conversion has changed the game as has all the many rule changes I've mentioned that you refuse to address. The strict rules on roughing the passer has changed the way players attack a QB. This has changed the game! Players can't do some of the things they did 30-40 years ago because of the rule changes.

The MANY rule changes has caused the game to evolve over time and teams have had to get more creative and adopt new wrinkles. The rule changes over the years have been considerable and this has clearly changed the game and you have to be incredibly blind not to see how the rule changes have affected the game over the years. The size and speed of players has caused the equipment to evolve over time. You obviously aren't very clued up to repeatedly say the game hasn't changed in the last 30-40 years. I don't see anyone backing you.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You just think old people are stupid. How old do you think Jerry Jones is?

And he's made some good decisions. And he's made some bad decisions.

The draft is a crap shoot. Some of these players like Robert Gallery are on everyone's 'he can't fail' list. But somehow he does.

It's rocket science, it's football.

I never said old people were stupid. I will say that generally speaking people get dumber as they get older.

Einstien and Newton came up with both of their theories and greatest works in their twenties.

Brandt has been out of the league for over twenty years. I really don't see why there is all this resistance. I certainly have not seen any great insight from him lately and he certainly is not the first person to talk about Campbell's lack of rewards.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes, that's exactly what you're doing.

Oh spare me.

Youre the one talking about its all still blocking and catching yadda yadda yadda.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So the NFL two point conversion and not being able to hit the QB in the head makes scouts look for something different in a college football player?

That's just funny.