We should trade Ware

[Vintage]

who says we would have young talent?

who here is going to find it?

there is a reason jerry, stephen and ciskowski will hang on for dear life to the core players. They cant identify and produce any.

and we shouldnt get rid of any of these guys as long as romo is here....

if/when romo is not here then blow out the roster until then it makes no sense....

and again, who is going to replace these guys? That trio in the front office has proven to be a horrendous group at the top.

I'm assuming you think guys like Tyron Smith, Dez Bryant, Morris Claiborne, Sean Lee, Bruce Carter, Demarco Murray, Sean Lissemore, James Hanna, Dwayne Harris, etc are not young talent.

Perhaps we should dump them, too.

 

[joseephuss]

Been saying the same thing for the past 2 seasons

That only shows that you enjoy throwing out bad ideas year after year.

 

[Mattsdad]

Ware and Witten are my favorite players. However, I think its best at this point to trade Ware for hopefully a first and second/third. A great player, but I just feel his better days might be behind him. Just my opinion.

 

[joseephuss]

Ya dumervil would want too much. But if I were to pick out of the 2 absolutely id pick dumervil. I think ware has like 2 years left at best. He was hardly noticeable last season already with the injuries.

Dumervil probably has 2 years left at best. Even if you throw out the money, I don't see how anyone would pick Dumervil over Ware. That isn't an improvement.

 

[Proximo]

3 years in a row??? lol, what would give you hope of things turning around if you are still 1-15 after 3 straight seasons?? haha, we have played for the division for the past 2 seasons & had a depleted defense this past year and a very poor o-line, yet played for the division.. You're seriously telling me you would rather root for a team to fail and hope on hitting on your draft picks when there is no sure thing, instead of having your team in the division race every year to get into the playoffs? I don't want to accept mediocrity 8-8 either, but 1-15 3 straight seasons??? oh my my

It's mind blowing isn't it? Who in their right mind would rather watch their team win a total of 3 games in 3 years than watch them be in the hunt for the division crown? All for the "possibility" of hitting on draft picks??

 

[Proximo]

lol the guy was banged up for at least half of the year & still produced the same #'s as Dumvervil. Ware = 11.5 sacks, Elvis 11... Ware = total tackles 33, assisted on 23, Elvis = total tackles 32, assisted on 22 GET REAL.. Von Miller may take some sacks away, but you would still like to replace him with Dumvervil after having an injury riddled season & still putting up the same #'s??

This Dumervil over Ware nonsense is even more absurd than the guy who would rather win 3 games in 3 years than be in the hunt. I hope the offseason goes by quickly.

 

[theebs]

I'm assuming you think guys like Tyron Smith, Dez Bryant, Morris Claiborne, Sean Lee, Bruce Carter, Demarco Murray, Sean Lissemore, James Hanna, Dwayne Harris, etc are not young talent.

Perhaps we should dump them, too.

give me a break.

Tyron smith is a top flight guy who will be up there with ware and romo in time.

Lee, Dez and carter could be if they can stay healthy and on the straight and narrow. There are ifs there.

the rest are just good players.

This small group of possible really good players is a far cry from replacing a hall of fame pass rusher, franchise qb, etc....

this team has failed because it has not filled in the periphery around the excellent players it had going back to 05 and up.

So excuse me if I doubt this front office's ability to find a premiere weak side pass rusher, a franchise qb just because it has a bunch of picks when for nearly 9 seasons they have not been able to identify talent at the easier positions to find.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Yep, we can really afford a 16m cap hit for Ware when we are struggling to handle his 8m hit this year. And we couldn't add anyone. That would be real smart.

Dallas does have a nice core of young talent....on offense:

Tyron Smith, Demarco Murray, Dez Bryant, James Hanna, Dwayne Harris, Dan Bailey

Parnell and Costa are maybes, along with Coale and Beasley.

On defense:

Tyrone Crawford, Shaun Lissemore, Sean Lee, Bruce Carter, Morris Claiborne, Brandon Carr, Barry Church.

Wilbur and Johnson are unknowns for the most part.

Dallas has acquired pretty good talent these past couple of drafts and through free agency. Pretty much assume Romo is getting resigned.

Maybe we could blow it all up...get rid of Ware, Spencer, Austin, Romo, Free, Witten, Scandrick and just start over. The only problem is that you then have to be confident that you can get a franchise QB in the next year or two or you will waste the careers of the guys named above as good young talent. And you have to have confidence that after cutting all the vets and high priced players that they will do everything right in rebuilding. That might just be too much to ask from this crew.

 

[Vintage]

give me a break.

Tyron smith is a top flight guy who will be up there with ware and romo in time.

Lee, Dez and carter could be if they can stay healthy and on the straight and narrow. There are ifs there.

the rest are just good players.

This small group of possible really good players is a far cry from replacing a hall of fame pass rusher, franchise qb, etc....

this team has failed because it has not filled in the periphery around the excellent players it had going back to 05 and up.

So excuse me if I doubt this front office's ability to find a premiere weak side pass rusher, a franchise qb just because it has a bunch of picks when for nearly 9 seasons they have not been able to identify talent at the easier positions to find.

Give me a break.

You said young talent.

You didn't say anything about "omg teh hallz of famez" talent.

 

[5Stars]

who says we would have young talent?

who here is going to find it?

there is a reason jerry, stephen and ciskowski will hang on for dear life to the core players. They cant identify and produce any.

and we shouldnt get rid of any of these guys as long as romo is here....

if/when romo is not here then blow out the roster until then it makes no sense....

and again, who is going to replace these guys? That trio in the front office has proven to be a horrendous group at the top.

:laugh2: :laugh2:

You need some therapy!

Why not get rid or Romo, too? He's not young.

 

[5Stars]

That only shows that you enjoy throwing out bad ideas year after year.

 

[FiveRings]

Maybe we should, maybe we shouldn't but we're not. If Ware can stay healthy, he can be scary good, even with my past criticisms of him. Maybe we just try...limiting him this year? That seems far more diplomatic than trading a key to our success.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Yep, we can really afford a 16m cap hit for Ware when we are struggling to handle his 8m hit this year. And we couldn't add anyone. That would be real smart.

Dallas does have a nice core of young talent....on offense:

Tyron Smith, Demarco Murray, Dez Bryant, James Hanna, Dwayne Harris, Dan Bailey

Parnell and Costa are maybes, along with Coale and Beasley.

On defense:

Tyrone Crawford, Shaun Lissemore, Sean Lee, Bruce Carter, Morris Claiborne, Brandon Carr, Barry Church.

Wilbur and Johnson are unknowns for the most part.

Dallas has acquired pretty good talent these past couple of drafts and through free agency. Pretty much assume Romo is getting resigned.

Maybe we could blow it all up...get rid of Ware, Spencer, Austin, Romo, Free, Witten, Scandrick and just start over. The only problem is that you then have to be confident that you can get a franchise QB in the next year or two or you will waste the careers of the guys named above as good young talent. And you have to have confidence that after cutting all the vets and high priced players that they will do everything right in rebuilding. That might just be too much to ask from this crew.

And we might as well trade away all our draft picks for the young talent we most likely will be getting there too.

 

[theebs]

Give me a break.

You said young talent.

You didn't say anything about "omg teh hallz of famez" talent.

The thread is about getting rid of ware because he will bring back a bunch of picks and we could replace him with younger talent.

I have seen nothing that tells me this group at the top could find top flight guys at the crucial positions.

Struggled at corner, tackle, pass rush, safety...

They have found a left tackle. That is the only one.

 

[theebs]

:laugh2: :laugh2:

You need some therapy!

Why not get rid or Romo, too? He's not young.

I guess you are having trouble understanding.

This team is going to hang onto ware, witten, romo, rat and apparently spencer until they simply are forced to give up on them and IMO it's because They know replacing them, particularly ware and romo is going to be really difficult.

And I am glad they are keeping these guys. I applaud them for it on everyone except spencer. And I am a big Austin fan and I am glad he is still here.

 

[speedkilz88]

Actually his cap hits are like 16M and 17M starting next year.

Then again, that's what happens when you restructure a contract for 3 consecutive off seasons. You push the money to the end.

It's actually what happens when you have a great player and they are at the end of their contract.

Ravens Haloti Ngata

2011 716,533 5,000,000 - 5,716,533 -
2012 2,900,000 5,000,000 2,500,000 10,400,000 -
2013 4,000,000 5,000,000 2,500,000 11,500,000 22,500,000
2014 8,500,000 5,000,000 2,500,000 16,000,000 -
2015 8,500,000 5,000,000 2,500,000 16,000,000


Jared Allen:
2008 750,000 2,583,344 - 3,333,344 -
2009 11,950,000 2,583,344 - 14,533,344 -
2010 6,380,000 2,583,344 4,000,000 12,963,344 -
2011 8,979,438 2,583,344 200,000 11,762,782 -
2012 11,619,850 2,583,344 - 14,203,194 -
2013 14,280,612 2,583,344 200,000 17,063,956 2,583,344


Larry Fitzgerald
2011 2,000,000 5,000,000 4,500,000 11,500,000 -
2012 5,000,000 5,000,000 4,500,000 14,500,000 -
2013 5,000,000 2,000,000 3,250,000 10,250,000 18,000,000
2014 12,750,000 2,000,000 3,250,000 18,000,000 13,000,000
2015 8,000,000 2,000,000 11,250,000 21,250,000 8,000,000
2016 15,000,000 - 3,250,000 18,250,000 3,000,000
2017 14,750,000 - 250,000 15,000,000 -
2018 14,750,000 - 250,000 15,000,000

Julius Peppers
2010 900,000 1,083,000 12,800,000 14,783,000 -
2011 900,000 3,183,000 100,000 4,183,000 -
2012 8,900,000 3,183,000 100,000 12,183,000 -
2013 12,900,000 3,183,000 100,000 16,183,000 9,550,001
2014 13,900,000 3,183,000 100,000 17,183,000 -
2015 16,500,000 3,183,000 - 19,683,000

 

[StarBoyz83]

?? Lol I meant to put von miller not dumervil.

 

[Section446]

Ware is my favorite player, so it hurts me to say this, but it is time to move on. He will turn 31 this year in the offseason. The next two years he is due 12 and 13.75 million respectively.

This is either going to require a long term extension which will lock him up until his mid to late 30's or it is going to require eating a lot of money and watching him leave in a couple of years.

Either way, it just isn't a good option. I still think he has at least 2-3 good years left in him, but at that price, we should move on. I would hate to see him turn into Jay Ratliff.

Realistically, we could grab at least a 1st round pick this year with another mid rounder this year or next. Maybe we could even get more.

I am going to duck now.

Nobody would be dumb enough to take on a contract like that for a guy in decline.

 

[Aven8]

This actually is not a bad idea if you are a forward thinker.

But, there is no way in hell Jerry would do it. He's not smart enough. In 3 years if we haven't won a SB yet get ready for the Campo era again. Dead money city USA.

I say we go all in this year and next and if we can't get there we aren't destined. At least we tried.

 

[ShiningStar]

you know the old saying "if its not broke, break it"