We should try to get Logan Mankins

[MichaelWinicki]

Probably every year. There are CBs on the free agent market every year. There are CB prospects graded in the top 15 overall in the draft every year. The opportunity is there. The Dallas Cowboys were the only team dumb enough to do it.

Not necessarily the same caliber as Carr.

And not where arguably the best defensive player of the draft is a corner and is still available at the 6th pick.

 

[Vintage]

2007 Draft:

1 - Aaron Ross
7 - Michael Johnson

7 - Courtney Brown
7 - Alan Ball

2008 Draft

1- Kenny Phillips
2 - Terrell Thomas

1 - Mike Jenkins
5 - Orlando Scandrick

2009 Draft
6 - Deandre Wright
7 - Stoney Woodson

5 - Michael Hamlin
5 - DeAngelo Smith
6 - Stephen Hodge
7 - Mike Mickens

2010
3 - Chad Jones

4 - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
6 - Jamar Wall

2011
1 - Prince Amukamara
6 - Tyler Sash

5 - Josh Thomas

2012
3 - Jayron Hosley

1 - Morris Claiborne
4 - Matt Johnson


Giants invest plenty in the backfield, too. And they've won Super Bowls recently.

 

[Risen Star]

The Cowboys have had a decade where they've ranked better in sacks than they have in pass defense... year after year.

Pressure means more than sack totals. The Cowboys have been a very one dimensional team on defense in the front seven. When you have 40 sacks a season and half of them are coming from one guy....and you're in a 3-4, that's not good. That's predictable.

QB hurries, knockdowns, multiple threats, stuffing the run to make the offense one dimensional. They all are vital to shutting down a passing game. Or at least making it as hard on the QB as possible.

What you don't do is try to out cover people and waste all your resources on CBs. And despite all you have to say, not a single team in the NFL has ever won anything that way.

 

[Risen Star]

2007 Draft:

1 - Aaron Ross
7 - Michael Johnson

7 - Courtney Brown
7 - Alan Ball

2008 Draft

1- Kenny Phillips
2 - Terrell Thomas

1 - Mike Jenkins
5 - Orlando Scandrick

2009 Draft
6 - Deandre Wright
7 - Stoney Woodson

5 - Michael Hamlin
5 - DeAngelo Smith
6 - Stephen Hodge
7 - Mike Mickens

2010
3 - Chad Jones

4 - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
6 - Jamar Wall

2011
1 - Prince Amukamara
6 - Tyler Sash

5 - Josh Thomas

2012
3 - Jayron Hosley

1 - Morris Claiborne
4 - Matt Johnson


Giants invest plenty in the backfield, too. And they've won Super Bowls recently.

First, we're talking about cornerbacks.

Second, it is the definition of desperation to use the Giants as an example for CB hoarding. That defense begins and ends with a dominant defensive line.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Pressure means more than sack totals. The Cowboys have been a very one dimensional team on defense in the front seven. When you have 40 sacks a season and half of them are coming from one guy....and you're in a 3-4, that's not good. That's predictable.

QB hurries, knockdowns, multiple threats, stuffing the run to make the offense one dimensional. They all are vital to shutting down a passing game. Or at least making it as hard on the QB as possible.

What you don't do is try to out cover people and waste all your resources on CBs. And despite all you have to say, not a single team in the NFL has ever won anything that way.

They had two guys with double-digit sacks last season.

Let me know when you've posted the Cowboys pressure numbers compared to other teams the last few years so we know how deficient the Cowboy numbers are.

 

[Risen Star]

Not necessarily the same caliber as Carr.

And not where arguably the best defensive player of the draft is a corner and is still available at the 6th pick.

What caliber is Carr? He can get beaten like a drum regularly like all the others at his position when the QB has a clean pocket and the WR runs a good route.

You'll never convince me that was a good idea. I'd trade them both tomorrow for a quality offensive or defensive lineman.

 

[Risen Star]

They had two guys with double-digit sacks last season.

Yeah, last season.

Let me know when you've posted the Cowboys pressure numbers compared to other teams the last few years so we know how deficient the Cowboy numbers are.

I don't need to post numbers, Mike. You're not going to get me to dance to your PFF tune. Football isn't played that way. I have a brain. I watch the games. I see a team very weak at the line of scrimmage and no amount of CBs is going to change that and until that changes, we don't win. It's as simple as that.

 

[Risen Star]

The Cowboys, with their genius front office, has placed an emphasis for years now on building from the back end and getting by up front. You would think with all the failure that's gone with it that even the most casual of fans would realize it's not the way you build a winner.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

What caliber is Carr? He can get beaten like a drum regularly like all the others at his position when the QB has a clean pocket and the WR runs a good route.

You'll never convince me that was a good idea. I'd trade them both tomorrow for a quality offensive or defensive lineman.

I don't have to convince you.

Just sit back and enjoy the season with the $50 mil corner and the 1st round corner... I will.

 

[Risen Star]

I don't have to convince you.

Just sit back and enjoy the season with the $50 mil corner and the 1st round corner... I will.

When I watch games, I watch the relevant action. So I doubt I'll be focusing much on those two spare parts.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeah, last season.



I don't need to post numbers, Mike. You're not going to get me to dance to your PFF tune. Football isn't played that way. I have a brain. I watch the games. I see a team very weak at the line of scrimmage and no amount of CBs is going to change that and until that changes, we don't win. It's as simple as that.

You'll dance mate... you'll dance.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

When I watch games, I watch the relevant action. So I doubt I'll be focusing much on those two spare parts.

Just be prepared...

Whenever they have a good play, I'm throwing cheese-doodle at you.

 

[Vintage]

First, we're talking about cornerbacks.

Second, it is the definition of desperation to use the Giants as an example for CB hoarding. That defense begins and ends with a dominant defensive line.

You are arguing about asset allocation..... obviously, the Giants view the secondary as being important enough to place high assets (draft picks) into.... so.....

 

[Risen Star]

You are arguing about asset allocation..... obviously, the Giants view the secondary as being important enough to place high assets (draft picks) into.... so.....

I am arguing how you build a defense and how irrelevant cornerbacks are when your front seven isn't any good.

The Giants' defense was led by it's DL not it's secondary and certainly not their CBs.

 

[Risen Star]

Just be prepared...

Whenever they have a good play, I'm throwing cheese-doodle at you.

The problem you have is you don't seem to understand what led to their good play.

Or...you just simply parrot whatever the team is currently doing. If they announced tomorrow a re-emphasis on the trenches, you'd probably have an epiphany and follow suit.