We will never have an easier road to the SB than we did this year...

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One additional thought: Maybe that was the problem. The road to the Super Bowl was too EASY.

Maybe it needs to be harder so the team plays harder. Look at the Giants. They won every game on the road.

Guess what? The Cowboys also had a 7-0 road record this year, 7-1 based on that meaningless game in Washington.

We have shown over the past two years that this team is a very good road team.

Maybe we need the stakes a little higher.

I'll take that over easy any day, especially if the results yield a battle-tested, take-nothing-for-granted team that gets to the Super Bowl.
 

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HeavyHitta31;1919690 said:
We should have slept-walked into the title game. I still can't believe we lost to Sheli and his incredibly average team... :banghead:


I see where you are going.... but.... even if we escaped and masked our issues on this team.. we would have gotten beat down in SB. The mindset and discipline is not there.

The Giants have the mindset and discipline... just dont have the team. BUT.... things are getting a little "funny".... they could upset.

Maybe Goodell wants it to be back to back Manning SB wins
 

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YoMick;1921059 said:
I see where you are going.... but.... even if we escaped and masked our issues on this team.. we would have gotten beat down in SB. The mindset and discipline is not there.

The Giants have the mindset and discipline... just dont have the team. BUT.... things are getting a little "funny".... they could upset.

Maybe Goodell wants it to be back to back Manning SB wins

I don't think Goodell cares who wins. I found it funny that some were saying well the NFL wants the Pat and Packers to play in the SB well that did not happen because in the end the teams themselves will determine who makes it and who doesn't based on their play.
 

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Doomsday101;1921072 said:
I don't think Goodell cares who wins. I found it funny that some were saying well the NFL wants the Pat and Packers to play in the SB well that did not happen because in the end the teams themselves will determine who makes it and who doesn't based on their play.


There is more than more script ;)
 

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Doomsday101;1921072 said:
I don't think Goodell cares who wins. I found it funny that some were saying well the NFL wants the Pat and Packers to play in the SB well that did not happen because in the end the teams themselves will determine who makes it and who doesn't based on their play.


And... Brady's legacy gets a little tarnished if Eli beats him.

Losing to Peyton who doesnt cheat. Then wins SB.
Losing to Eli who doesnt cheat.... Beats Brady to win SB.

Developing....
 

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The facts are.....we are not good enough on DEFENSE.....something is missing.
 

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I don't think the NFL is the WWF, I actually think that games are determined by the teams playing not some executive sitting up stairs determining who goes and who doesn't. For those who think that is the case I guess my only question would be then why bother watching something that is fixed or pre determined? Myself I gave up watching boxing because I think it is corrupt and see no reason to watch something that is not legit.
 

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YoMick;1921079 said:
And... Brady's legacy gets a little tarnished if Eli beats him.

Losing to Peyton who doesnt cheat. Then wins SB.
Losing to Eli who doesnt cheat.... Beats Brady to win SB.

Developing....

Both teams are there because they took care of their own business.
 

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Doomsday101;1921085 said:
I don't think the NFL is the WWF, I actually think that games are determined by the teams playing not some executive sitting up stairs determining who goes and who doesn't. For those who think that is the case I guess my only question would be then why bother watching something that is fixed or pre determined? Myself I gave up watching boxing because I think it is corrupt and see no reason to watch something that is not legit.


I dont know if the NFL is there or if its going there...... boxing... meh... bunch a b/s

Now.... wrastlin is real :lmao2:

But seriously.... you could sum it up with "Its the way of things"... or soon to be in some cases
 

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joseephuss;1919770 said:
The WR's are not over rated. Few people were really propping up Crayton past what he provided. He is a good #3 guy forced into the #2 role due to injury. How many teams can lose a TO and still perform at a high level? And that is not even a fair comparison because Dallas lost both TO and Glenn in the same season. The Colts suffered when they lost Harrison. They still had Reggie Wayne. They would have been horrible without Wayne, too.

Are all the CBs dreadful in Dallas? I thought it was just Reeves while Henry and Newman had to contend with injuries the whole season.

You usually don't seem so gloom and doom Sarge. The loss still getting to you?

I don't see how you can think our receivers are not overrated. Some would argue that TO himself is a little overrated considering that he is discussed as as one of the 3 best receives in the NFL. This is the typ of mistake we made in the mid-90's when fans thought guys like Billy Davis and Kevin Williams would improve and be the next Alvin Harper. It's time to accept reality. Patrick Crayton is not going to be the next great receiver. He has been in the league long enough to show his true potential and what we have seen is a great third receiver and nothing more. Terry Glenn is old and we need to accept that. Let's not get complacent. We need to be aggressive and acquire some true talent at receiver to complement TO. We really need two more receivers possibly Roy Williams and another receiver in the draft. And the Colts sufferred without having another receiver besides Reggie Wayne. That was a big reason they lost to the Patriots because they didn't have another go-to-guy when Harrison went down. And Harrison wasn't the same when the playoffs came around; that was pretty evident. Imagine if the Colts had retained Brandon Stokley? In this league, you need 4 quality receivers. You need 3 that can play at the same time and a 4th in case someone goes down. By quality, I'm not suggesting Pro Bowlers but we also have to recognize that Crayton is not starting material and Glenn age is catching up with him. Get Roy Williams, keep Crayton at 3 and draft a rookie at 4 and keep Glenn at 5.
 

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YoMick;1921094 said:
I dont know if the NFL is there or if its going there...... boxing... meh... bunch a b/s

Now.... wrastlin is real :lmao2:

But seriously.... you could sum it up with "Its the way of things"... or soon to be in some cases

I think it is the way of some fans. If my team does not win then the fix must have been in. I think many fans today are poor sports and need to find a reason why their team lost instead of accepting the fact that just maybe their team did not do enough to win the game because of their own mistakes.
 

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Doomsday101;1921104 said:
I think it is the way of some fans. If my team does not win then the fix must have been in. I think many fans today are poor sports and need to find a reason why their team lost instead of accepting the fact that just maybe their team did not do enough to win the game because of their own mistakes.


If I had to reference a certain example it would be the Steelers SB win. That was a disgrace.

My other reference would be some of the Pats games. Now mind you I am not a Pats hater. I actually like their team and what they have done. BUT... now that they have been caught I think some sort of extenuating consequences should be brought on them. Preferably win this SB and have the media roast them on spygate and tarnish this SB forever. They deserve it. It would be done to us.
 

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YoMick;1921108 said:
If I had to reference a certain example it would be the Steelers SB win. That was a disgrace.

My other reference would be some of the Pats games. Now mind you I am not a Pats hater. I actually like their team and what they have done. BUT... now that they have been caught I think some sort of extenuating consequences should be brought on them. Preferably win this SB and have the media roast them on spygate and tarnish this SB forever. They deserve it. It would be done to us.

I never said bad calls do not take place but that in my view is because people make mistakes the refs like players can and do make mistakes. As for the Pats I have talked about this before what they did happened in week 1 and I think the penalty should have been stronger including forfeiting the game vs the Jets. From week 2 on no I don't think the Pats cheated I think they went out and played better than the teams they played no excuses no whining from me. As for the media I don't care how they look at it or not my world and mindset is not determined by what some in the press may or may not say.
 

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Doomsday101;1921042 said:
We will never have an easier road to the SB than we did this year...

Never is a long time, man why do people feel the need to be over dramatic. Dallas is a good young team who is in very good shape cap wise and to think this was a 1 time deal is very pessimistic

I see your point and his...but here is where I am. The Chargers won less games this year, but went further in the post season. So winning 13 or more games next year is not as important as how we are playing once the post season rolls around
 

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Doomsday101;1921115 said:
I never said bad calls do not take place but that in my view is because people make mistakes the refs like players can and do make mistakes. As for the Pats I have talked about this before what they did happened in week 1 and I think the penalty should have been stronger including forfeiting the game vs the Jets. From week 2 on no I don't think the Pats cheated I think they went out and played better than the teams they played no excuses no whining from me. As for the media I don't care how they look at it or not my world and mindset is not determined by what some in the press may or may not say.


Agree on forfeit which would have erased the perfect season. That would have been the asterisk. It should have been done.

That fine that you are not driven or mind controlled by the media. But that is not reality for most.... or for historians.

It should be written... then it will be done.
 

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Doomsday101;1921104 said:
I think it is the way of some fans. If my team does not win then the fix must have been in. I think many fans today are poor sports and need to find a reason why their team lost instead of accepting the fact that just maybe their team did not do enough to win the game because of their own mistakes.

I can accept losing when you know your team has put themselves in the best position to win. If they lose then that is something I can accept. However, it's another thing entirely to make the same mistakes and not learn from them. This team still ignores our lack of depth and gambles by assuming all of our starters will be healthy. This is a mistake we have made since Jimmy left. Let's use the wide receiver position as an example. Instead of acquiring another quality receiver to complement TO, we assume Patrick Crayton is going to emerge. We also go with injury prone and old Terry Glenn as #3. It's that type of philosophy that has hurt this team. We will get a big name like TO but then we don't shore up our receiving corps with depth. This doesn't just apply to the WR corps but in other areas like cornerback and quarterback too. I mean if Romo went down, our season would be over. You can't expect an over-the-hill Brad Johnson to lead this team to victory. When Jimmy was here, Troy had Steve Beurlein, Bernie Kosar and Jason Garrett as his backups. So this isn't a problem that emerged last year. Don't blame the salary cap as that is often a convenient excuse for not acquiring depth. The best teams still get depth. This is something that has affected our team since Jimmy Johnson left...our lack of depth. The fans have a right to address those issue and i think they are doing the right thing.
 

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mr.jameswoods;1921123 said:
I can accept losing when you know your team has put themselves in the best position to win. If they lose then that is something I can accept. However, it's another thing entirely to make the same mistakes and not learn from them. This team still ignores our lack of depth and gambles by assuming all of our starters will be healthy. This is a mistake we have made since Jimmy left. Let's use the wide receiver position as an example. Instead of acquiring another quality receiver to complement TO, we assume Patrick Crayton is going to emerge. We also go with injury prone and old Terry Glenn as #3. It's that type of philosophy that has hurt this team. We will get a big name like TO but then we don't shore up our receiving corps with depth. This doesn't just apply to the WR corps but in other areas like cornerback and quarterback too. I mean if Romo went down, our season would be over. You can't expect an over-the-hill Brad Johnson to lead this team to victory. When Jimmy was here, Troy had Steve Beurlein, Bernie Kosar and Jason Garrett as his backups. So this isn't a problem that emerged last year. Don't blame the salary cap as that is often a convenient excuse for not acquiring depth. The best teams still get depth. This is something that has affected our team since Jimmy Johnson left...our lack of depth. The fans have a right to address those issue and i think they are doing the right thing.

I understand why fans are upset with the Cowboys but that has nothing to do with the Giants. They came in and took care of their business they did the things that were key for them to win aka do not turn the ball over, Coughlin had been preaching that to his team and his team went out and did not turn the ball over and they made some plays. We didn't. Had Dallas went out and played up to their ability then yes I think we would have been in a better position to win but we didn't. 2 teams enter a game both know what they need to do to give them the best chance to win, the giants did that and the Cowboys did not. So while I'm disappointed in how the Cowboys played I tip my hat to the other team because they did. Or I could just be a poor sport about the whole thing but then I never was a sore loser.
 

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mr.jameswoods;1921101 said:
I don't see how you can think our receivers are not overrated. Some would argue that TO himself is a little overrated considering that he is discussed as as one of the 3 best receives in the NFL. This is the typ of mistake we made in the mid-90's when fans thought guys like Billy Davis and Kevin Williams would improve and be the next Alvin Harper. It's time to accept reality. Patrick Crayton is not going to be the next great receiver. He has been in the league long enough to show his true potential and what we have seen is a great third receiver and nothing more. Terry Glenn is old and we need to accept that. Let's not get complacent. We need to be aggressive and acquire some true talent at receiver to complement TO. We really need two more receivers possibly Roy Williams and another receiver in the draft. And the Colts sufferred without having another receiver besides Reggie Wayne. That was a big reason they lost to the Patriots because they didn't have another go-to-guy when Harrison went down. And Harrison wasn't the same when the playoffs came around; that was pretty evident. Imagine if the Colts had retained Brandon Stokley? In this league, you need 4 quality receivers. You need 3 that can play at the same time and a 4th in case someone goes down. By quality, I'm not suggesting Pro Bowlers but we also have to recognize that Crayton is not starting material and Glenn age is catching up with him. Get Roy Williams, keep Crayton at 3 and draft a rookie at 4 and keep Glenn at 5.

It is easy for me to see that the receiving corp is not overrated. Most posters on this board rated the receivers exactly how it played out. TO is very good. Glenn is good, but not healthy. Crayton is a good #3, but probably nothing better. There are question marks about Hurd and Austin that may or may not be answered this season.

I saw very few posters saying that Crayton would make a great #2 or could even be a #1. I saw few posters ready to claim that Hurd and Austin are long term answers.

Most opinions I saw on this board or in the media pretty much regarded the receiving corp the same way you do. Your opinion of them is pretty much mine. So, how is that over rated?

Most people feel Dallas needs to add some quality youth at receiver. It is pretty obvious and has been for a couple of years.

Crayton did okay as a #2 guy, but I don't think anyone truly believes that he should handle that position full time. He is a #3 guy and I don't think anyone would cry if he even got bumped down to #4.

I doubt anyone wants to stay complacent about the receiving corp. That is why I don't view them as overrated. If the majority were saying don't look at free agency or the draft for receivers then I would think the current group is overrated, but that is not the case. You could probably find a few posters or media types who think that, but they will be in the minority.

Maybe it is a difference in our definitions of "overrated" because you and I seem to share the same view of changes need to be done to improve the receiving corp short term and long term.

Just to let you know, I knew very few people that thought that Billy Davis or Kevin Williams would be anything special in the NFL. I know I didn't. It made me cringe when each became a starter opposite Micheal Irvin in Dallas.
 

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jameswoods -- I just don't see how you can say our depth has been ignored. If anything, it's gotten better every year the last few years. Two years ago, we lost Flozell and it crippled our season because we had scrubtastic players like Torrin Tucker behind him. Now we have some depth. It's not like we've been wasting picks to trade way up all the time -- if anything, we've been trading back in the draft (remember all the billion jokes about trading back until we owned the entire 7th round) and taking players like Crayton, Reeves, and Ratliff who can at least play.

You can say the salary cap is an excuse, but it's not -- it's a legitimate reason why no team has great depth any more.

And we aren't going to get 150 draft picks like we did for Hershel in Jimmy's day... It just isn't going to happen. Everyone knows that Jimmy missed on plenty of picks, but he had so many selections that no one noticed the flops. That was a perfect storm that isn't going to be repeated.
 

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Didn't the Cowboys target Steve Smith in the second round of the draft and when he wasn't available, we dropped down in the draft via trade?

I remember that being the case.

Looks like a good pick up for the Giants.
 
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