Went back & watched game closer: we had some tough calls against us

[CalPolyTechnique]

Honestly that doesn't make me go hmmm at all. Think how unlikely it was that the game would be in a position where it came down to a 2 pt conversion for a tie. To think they swayed things to make us win by only 2 points requires believing that they orchestrated the entire game, or they had a contingency in place just in case there was a 1 in a million and it came down to a 2 point conversion - oh, and the Vikings could still have actually completed the pass, it's not as if the penalty negated a successful conversion.

Sorry, the spread was nothing more than coincidence IMO.

Agreed.

 

[links18]

The conspiracy theory that makes me think is the one about covering the spread. We were -2.5 and we win by 2, things that make you go hrmm.

Vegas ain't dumb.

 

[links18]

Honestly that doesn't make me go hmmm at all. Think how unlikely it was that the game would be in a position where it came down to a 2 pt conversion for a tie. To think they swayed things to make us win by only 2 points requires believing that they orchestrated the entire game, or they had a contingency in place just in case there was a 1 in a million and it came down to a 2 point conversion - oh, and the Vikings could still have actually completed the pass, it's not as if the penalty negated a successful conversion.

Sorry, the spread was nothing more than coincidence IMO.

You can't complete a pass thrown out of the back of the end zone.

 

[Sydla]

FWIW, there could be some confusion on the hands to face rule. Based on what I have read, people confuse "face" with meaning just pushing on the facemask or getting your hand under the facemask and shoving. The rule seems to also state face includes neck and head area. If that's true, then it's easier to see why Scandrick was called. He clearly was pushing up on the part of the helmet hear the ear hole, even if just for a split second, to the point Rudolph's head is being pushed back.

 

[jamesdojr]

That Scandrick call was atrocious. And Gavin was penalized for falling down.

The league owes us next week big time.

FYI-here are the videos of the first three to help with the inevitable debate:

 

[JDSmith]

You can't complete a pass thrown out of the back of the end zone.

So they got to Bradford too? How deep does this go? <Cue X-Files music>

 

[JDSmith]

FWIW, there could be some confusion on the hands to face rule. Based on what I have read, people confuse "face" with meaning just pushing on the facemask or getting your hand under the facemask and shoving. The rule seems to also state face includes neck and head area. If that's true, then it's easier to see why Scandrick was called. He clearly was pushing up on the part of the helmet hear the ear hole, even if just for a split second, to the point Rudolph's head is being pushed back.

Except that his hand was on the shoulder pad and the other guy knocked it up into his neck. That's my problem with it.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

That's a chop block, not clipping

Yeah, I think the person explaining that misunderstood the call. If it wasn't a clipping that is almost always gonna get called as holding because of the way it looks.

 

[JDSmith]

FWIW, there could be some confusion on the hands to face rule. Based on what I have read, people confuse "face" with meaning just pushing on the facemask or getting your hand under the facemask and shoving. The rule seems to also state face includes neck and head area. If that's true, then it's easier to see why Scandrick was called. He clearly was pushing up on the part of the helmet hear the ear hole, even if just for a split second, to the point Rudolph's head is being pushed back.

You realize he never pushed up on the side of the helmet near the ear hole, right? His arm was being forced there by the offensive player. The guy shoved up on his elbow and his hand got caught on the lower lip of the guy's helmet, the guy was applying pressure and that's what forced the helmet to move.

The guy who threw the flag was standing behind Scandrick along the sidelines, he should have seen the offensive player shoving his elbow up.

 

[links18]

So they got to Bradford too? How deep does this go? <Cue X-Files music>

No, it was a terrible pass from a pretty bad QB that never had any chance of being completed--hands to the face or not.

 

[hornitosmonster]

It is obvious that most football fans have zero confidence in the NFL and the refs employed by the organization

 

[TheHerd]

The Scandrick and Escobar calls were awful. The other two were legit to me. There was tons of badness throughout the game. Two misses on the 2 pt comversion.

I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist, but to me that game was just crap officiating all around.

 

[links18]

It is obvious that most football fans have zero confidence in the NFL and the refs employed by the organization

Just another societal institution that has little legitimacy left at this point. But we keep watching.....well, most of us anyway.

 

[ConstantReboot]

You need to take your cowboys colored sunglasses off if you don't think that's a clear hold on Free. Free's left hand was pulling Kendrick's right shoulder away from the hole Zeke was running through.

And while clipping was the wrong call that was also clearly a penalty on Escobar. Just a plain old hold probably would have sufficed though.

Scandrick call? Yeah, that was a crappy call

Free's call was a bad call. The video does not show his left hand was pulling Kendrick's right shoulder. Whatever holding that Free supposedly did did not impede Kendrick from making the play. Lastly, Kendrick was still in position to make that play on Zeke.

Just because Kendrick was screaming for a flag does not make it a hold. People are too caught up in the false premise that if a player is asking for a flag it must have been a penalty. There was no penalty in that play. The people were fooled and so were the refs.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

You realize he never pushed up on the side of the helmet near the ear hole, right? His arm was being forced there by the offensive player. The guy shoved up on his elbow and his hand got caught on the lower lip of the guy's helmet, the guy was applying pressure and that's what forced the helmet to move.

The guy who threw the flag was standing behind Scandrick along the sidelines, he should have seen the offensive player shoving his elbow up.

Wait? What?

That's exactly the reason why HE SHOULDN'T have seen Rudolph's hand pushing Scandy's arm up. Further, from his perspective, all he sees is Rudolph's helmet coming up and Scandrick's hand there.

If you're bent out of shape that it was called, I get that. The benefit of multiple camera angles shows that it shouldn't have been called. But if you're saying you can't understand why the official would call it from his perspective, I think you're off on this one.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Free's call was a bad call. The video does not show his left hand was pulling Kendrick's right shoulder. Whatever holding that Free supposedly did did not impede Kendrick from making the play. Lastly, Kendrick was still in position to make that play on Zeke.

Just because Kendrick was screaming for a flag does not make it a hold. People are too caught up in the false premise that if a player is asking for a flag it must have been a penalty. There was no penalty in that play. The people were fooled and so were the refs.

Free's hand was across Kendrick.

You're also hanging your hat on the false premise that if a defender is throwing up his hands, he's not really being fouled and just begging for a penalty.

Defenders are always going to throw there hands up when they're impeded to indicate they are being held. Terelle McClain did it in the game himself. Yes, there are some that exaggerate or feign a foul, but that doesn't logically equate to defenders that throw their hands up are just faking.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Argumentum ad populum.

A lot of people believe X.
Therefore, X must be true.

So we have you on the record as saying that refs are NOT instructed to be careful on defensive PI calls on hail mary plays and that they call defensive PI just like they would on any other play.

I just want to make sure that is what you are saying.




YR

 

[StarBoyz83]

Noticed watching the game today Dallas got away with a big one in the 3rd. The long pass to treadwell. Carr was holding his arm. Wouldve put them down around the 20 yard line. Instead of them punting.

 

[StarBoyz83]

The Scandrick and Escobar calls were awful. The other two were legit to me. There was tons of badness throughout the game. Two misses on the 2 pt comversion.

I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist, but to me that game was just crap officiating all around.

The call on oscan was legit. He hit his face mask and hooked him up under his helmet.

 

[DogFace]

The call on oscan was legit. He hit his face mask and hooked him up under his helmet.

Notice the gif that was created by @JDSmith It shows very clearly his arm being pushed up by the offensive player creating the contact with the helmet.
His hand was on his shoulder pad before this occurred.