Wentz is better than Dak in some things at this point

[JDSmith]

While I agree on some throws under pressure in 1 or 2 games. We are still talking about a rookie QB that is 6-1 and has a QB rating of 99 while being impressive enough to keep Tony Romo in extended recovery. So while there is always room to improve its not that bad as is.

I'd say that even with the recent gaffs in footwork what Dak has done to this point is nothing short of remarkable.

 

[superonyx]

LOL you mean like Dak on Sunday, which had below 50% completion?

Also, Tebow won a shootout against Minny, also one against Steelers. But hey, it's all about that W with Prescott, ignore all other factors.

Doesnt Dak have the 3rd highest QBR in the league? His QB rating is 99 and he is 6-1.
What about that has you so upset? He isn't perfect but can you find me a rookie QB that is?

 

[mattjames2010]

Doesnt Dak have the 3rd highest QBR in the league? His QB rating is 99 and he is 6-1.
What about that has you so upset? He isn't perfect but can you find me a rookie QB that is?

You're missing what the argument is about. Pointing out the flaws in the "Ws is what matters" when discussing single player.

Sucking for nearly 4 quarters is a big deal, being so off the mark is a big deal, throwing boneheaded INTs is a big deal. If you criticize Tebow for it, Prescott deserves these criticisms as well. Is this what we're going to deal with every time Dak goes up against a heavy blitz and tight coverage? Throwing ducks into the middle of the field, throwing INTs directly to defenders? Not being able to hit those tight window throws and needs to wait when Beasley finally gets those few steps on a defender?

Dak made one impressive throw that I can remember in that game, that's when he threw the ball over the defenders head and allowed Beasley to go up for it. To Dak, a CB being only trailing a step behind is blanketing a receiver. He doesn't put the ball where only a receiver can get it in tight coverage.

This is what I've been discussing. While you guys are impressed with him throwing some outright with a receiver 5 yards behind, I'm not impressed with that because that won't always be happening.

 

[superonyx]

You're missing what the argument is about. Pointing out the flaws in the "Ws is what matters" when discussing single player.

Sucking for nearly 4 quarters is a big deal, being so off the mark is a big deal, throwing boneheaded INTs is a big deal. If you criticize Tebow for it, Prescott deserves these criticisms as well. Is this what we're going to deal with every time Dak goes up against a heavy blitz and tight coverage? Throwing ducks into the middle of the field, throwing INTs directly to defenders? Not being able to hit those tight window throws and needs to wait when Beasley finally gets those few steps on a defender?

Dak made one impressive throw that I can remember in that game, that's when he threw the ball over the defenders head and allowed Beasley to go up for it. To Dak, a CB being only trailing a step behind is blanketing a receiver. He doesn't put the ball where only a receiver can get it in tight coverage.

This is what I've been discussing. While you guys are impressed with him throwing some outright with a receiver 5 yards behind, I'm not impressed with that because that won't always be happening.

If Tebow had a passer rating if 99, the 3rd highest QB rating and was sitting at 6-1 I doubt people would complain. He also has only thrown for 2 interceptions in 7 games. Plus he has ran for a few TD's.

I'm confused about the complaint of throwing into tight coverage. Dak was tightly covered on all but 1 of his catches. There is something to say for a QB that doesn't force passes into tight coverage too often.

It sounds to me that you don't like the way he plays so you are critical of him because you believe he shouldn't be playing as well as he has so far. I understand that you want a QB who has an all world arm.
But this guy is a rookie who so far has shown all world poise, leadership, and game awareness. He just broke the record for all time passes without an interception. He is the first rookie to have 2 double digit come from behind victories....and you are upset because he isn't a Matt Ryan clone.

 

[Gaede]

Doesnt Dak have the 3rd highest QBR in the league? His QB rating is 99 and he is 6-1.
What about that has you so upset? He isn't perfect but can you find me a rookie QB that is?

Certain ppl just can't accept Dak. It is bizarre. Is it the draft status? The fact that he is going to replace Romo? Or something personal? It's hard to say. You think Cowboys fans would be happy as hell. Yet the detractors pick apart his weaknesses in spite of our record and the accomplishments Dak has achieved.

A year ago we were the fourth worst team in the league without Romo. Where was our amazing talent then? What did the best OL in the league do to win us games?

Ppl need to come to grips with the fact that Dak is our QB and that he is legitimately good at football. This guy isn't some gimmick QB who ppl just need more tape on. He is running a real pro offense, going through his reads, changing plays and for 6 straight games, making extremely smart decisions. And he's doing all this in his rookie year.

How can you not be excited about that?

 

[mattjames2010]

If Tebow had a passer rating if 99, the 3rd highest QB rating and was sitting at 6-1 I doubt people would complain. He also has only thrown for 2 interceptions in 7 games. Plus he has ran for a few TD's.

I'm confused about the complaint of throwing into tight coverage. Dak was tightly covered on all but 1 of his catches. There is something to say for a QB that doesn't force passes into tight coverage too often.

It sounds to me that you don't like the way he plays so you are critical of him because you believe he shouldn't be playing as well as he has so far. I understand that you want a QB who has an all world arm.
But this guy is a rookie who so far has shown all world poise, leadership, and game awareness. He just broke the record for all time passes without an interception. He is the first rookie to have 2 double digit come from behind victories....and you are upset because he isn't a Matt Ryan clone.

I look throughout history and I see what great QBs can do. Do you think it's coincidence that the two games that Dak has saw CBs playing our WRs tightly, those are the games Dak has struggled the most?

This stuff isn't going to work in playoffs when we go up against an aggressive D like Seattle. Could you imagine him throwing into tight coverage against Sherman?

 

[kazzd58]

No, the team wins games.

ok take Dak out and whats Dallas Record? u know what i mean this is a wentz vs dak not Dallas vs Philly....... lolololol

trying to be technical aint it!!!! lolol thats that West Tn talk with the aint it statement at the end

 

[kazzd58]

Yeah that is what Dak is doing.

Thats what i see.... Dan don't even know what all he's doing yet and still figuring it out in time to win the game..... you need more than traits to be a successful qb in the NFL folks

 

[superonyx]

I look throughout history and I see what great QBs can do. Do you think it's coincidence that the two games that Dak has saw CBs playing our WRs tightly, those are the games Dak has struggled the most?

This stuff isn't going to work in playoffs when we go up against an aggressive D like Seattle. Could you imagine him throwing into tight coverage against Sherman?

Which QB has been so impressive against the Seahawks in the playoffs? Cam Newton last year? How about 16-22 for 161 yards...can Dak not do this? Maybe Teddy Bridgewater last year? How about 17-24 for 146 yards. Maybe Aaron Rodgers the year before in the playoffs? How about 19-34 for 178 yards?
Is Dak not capable of these types of performances?

The reality is you don't light a great defense like Seattle up in the playoffs. Why put this standard on Dak as a qualifier for his success?

 

[mattjames2010]

Which QB has been so impressive against the Seahawks in the playoffs? Cam Newton last year? How about 16-22 for 161 yards...can Dak not do this? Maybe Teddy Bridgewater last year? How about 17-24 for 146 yards. Maybe Aaron Rodgers the year before in the playoffs? How about 19-34 for 178 yards?
Is Dak not capable of these types of performances?

The reality is you don't light a great defense like Seattle up in the playoffs. Why put this standard on Dak as a qualifier for his success?

How about the very QB you brought up? Matt Ryan, while he had a couple turnovers, put up 250 yards and 3 TDs against their D. Cam had over a 100 rating, and really was just preventing a meltdown since they took early control of that game due to turnovers early. Bridgewater isn't a great QB, he hardly puts up big numbers against anyone.

Also, yet again, you are missing the point. I'm not saying Dak needs to have 300 yard game with 5 TDs. I'm saying he is going to being seeing tight coverage against even BETTER defenses in the future. Against Seattle, you will have Sherman locking up one side of the field, so that is one part of the field Dak won't challenge due to tight coverage. So you look elsewhere, you then have great safeties taking out other parts of the field with tight coverage and good linebackers helping to take out underneath routes. To Dak, this stuff will be covered due to those tight windows being considered blanketed coverage. Precision passing and zipped passes are needed here, something Dak has shown he is inconsistent with or just flat out can't do.

The last thing we want, which Dak has shown he does far too often, his hold the ball too long for a defender to come off the edge and sack him or worse force a turnover.

 

[phildadon86]

You're missing what the argument is about. Pointing out the flaws in the "Ws is what matters" when discussing single player.

Sucking for nearly 4 quarters is a big deal, being so off the mark is a big deal, throwing boneheaded INTs is a big deal. If you criticize Tebow for it, Prescott deserves these criticisms as well. Is this what we're going to deal with every time Dak goes up against a heavy blitz and tight coverage? Throwing ducks into the middle of the field, throwing INTs directly to defenders? Not being able to hit those tight window throws and needs to wait when Beasley finally gets those few steps on a defender?

Dak made one impressive throw that I can remember in that game, that's when he threw the ball over the defenders head and allowed Beasley to go up for it. To Dak, a CB being only trailing a step behind is blanketing a receiver. He doesn't put the ball where only a receiver can get it in tight coverage.

This is what I've been discussing. While you guys are impressed with him throwing some outright with a receiver 5 yards behind, I'm not impressed with that because that won't always be happening.

One impressive throw? Did you turn off the game at any point? That throw to Dez was perfection. He threw a lot of strikes in that game. Were you waiting for him to have a bad game to come on here ranting? Like seriously. The kid set a new record held by Tom Brady and here you are talking about how bad he is and how he has no arm? Hes had one bad game out of 8. ONE BAD GAME. Like seriously dude, get real here. For the record, he has an NFL arm, as shown in the preseason when he threw a 60 yard bomb to Butler with the flick of a wrist. Just stop it man.

 

[phildadon86]

How about the very QB you brought up? Matt Ryan, while he had a couple turnovers, put up 250 yards and 3 TDs against their D. Cam had over a 100 rating, and really was just preventing a meltdown since they took early control of that game due to turnovers early. Bridgewater isn't a great QB, he hardly puts up big numbers against anyone.

Also, yet again, you are missing the point. I'm not saying Dak needs to have 300 yard game with 5 TDs. I'm saying he is going to being seeing tight coverage against even BETTER defenses in the future. Against Seattle, you will have Sherman locking up one side of the field, so that is one part of the field Dak won't challenge due to tight coverage. So you look elsewhere, you then have great safeties taking out other parts of the field with tight coverage and good linebackers helping to take out underneath routes. To Dak, this stuff will be covered due to those tight windows being considered blanketed coverage. Precision passing and zipped passes are needed here, something Dak has shown he is inconsistent with or just flat out can't do.

The last thing we want, which Dak has shown he does far too often, his hold the ball too long for a defender to come off the edge and sack him or worse force a turnover.

Far to often? He has less turnovers then Aaron Rodgers this season. You really suck at this whole proving your point thing.

 

[mattjames2010]

One impressive throw? Did you turn off the game at any point? That throw to Dez was perfection. He threw a lot of strikes in that game. Were you waiting for him to have a bad game to come on here ranting? Like seriously. The kid set a new record held by Tom Brady and here you are talking about how bad he is and how he has no arm? Hes had one bad game out of 8. ONE BAD GAME. Like seriously dude, get real here. For the record, he has an NFL arm, as shown in the preseason when he threw a 60 yard bomb to Butler with the flick of a wrist. Just stop it man.

That throw would have been impressive if he wasn't so off the mark the rest of the night. He was what, 2-5 or so on deep throws, one of them was simply a great catch by Dez?

Also, I really couldn't care less about that record. In terms of records, that is so far down the list of ones I care about.

 

[mattjames2010]

Far to often? He has less turnovers then Aaron Rodgers this season. You really suck at this whole proving your point thing.

And you suck at, you know, actually understanding what I'm arguing. You can keep trying. Read over it again.

What are you talking about with this "less turnovers than Rodgers" - The point there wasn't Dak throwing INTs, it's him holding onto the ball too long and taking a sack or getting the ball stripped. Read, comprehend, then respond. Take your time.

 

[superonyx]

How about the very QB you brought up? Matt Ryan, while he had a couple turnovers, put up 250 yards and 3 TDs against their D. Cam had over a 100 rating, and really was just preventing a meltdown since they took early control of that game due to turnovers early. Bridgewater isn't a great QB, he hardly puts up big numbers against anyone.

Also, yet again, you are missing the point. I'm not saying Dak needs to have 300 yard game with 5 TDs. I'm saying he is going to being seeing tight coverage against even BETTER defenses in the future. Against Seattle, you will have Sherman locking up one side of the field, so that is one part of the field Dak won't challenge due to tight coverage. So you look elsewhere, you then have great safeties taking out other parts of the field with tight coverage and good linebackers helping to take out underneath routes. To Dak, this stuff will be covered due to those tight windows being considered blanketed coverage. Precision passing and zipped passes are needed here, something Dak has shown he is inconsistent with or just flat out can't do.

The last thing we want, which Dak has shown he does far too often, his hold the ball too long for a defender to come off the edge and sack him or worse force a turnover.

Hold on...isn't this a thread about Dak vs Wentz? If you feel uncomfortable with a QB like Dak who has been as successful so far as he has how would you feel about Wentz going against this Seattle defense in the playoffs? Are you telling me that you would rather have Wentz or Paxston Lynch in this scenario?

You see Dak and you only see a "noodle arm" QB who shouldn't even be a professional football player. You may want to go easy and enjoy the ride a little. I'm not going to make the arguement for Dak to be in the hall of fame at this point. In fact if I had to take a side I would put Romo back in the game....but I am not going to let a scouting report or throwing drills tell me that Dak can't get it done when he is in fact getting it done and getting it done big time.

 

[JBS]

I look throughout history and I see what great QBs can do. Do you think it's coincidence that the two games that Dak has saw CBs playing our WRs tightly, those are the games Dak has struggled the most?

This stuff isn't going to work in playoffs when we go up against an aggressive D like Seattle. Could you imagine him throwing into tight coverage against Sherman?

We already saw him boss it in Seattle...

Thank you very much

 

[Irvin88_4life]

You're missing what the argument is about. Pointing out the flaws in the "Ws is what matters" when discussing single player.

Sucking for nearly 4 quarters is a big deal, being so off the mark is a big deal, throwing boneheaded INTs is a big deal. If you criticize Tebow for it, Prescott deserves these criticisms as well. Is this what we're going to deal with every time Dak goes up against a heavy blitz and tight coverage? Throwing ducks into the middle of the field, throwing INTs directly to defenders? Not being able to hit those tight window throws and needs to wait when Beasley finally gets those few steps on a defender?

Dak made one impressive throw that I can remember in that game, that's when he threw the ball over the defenders head and allowed Beasley to go up for it. To Dak, a CB being only trailing a step behind is blanketing a receiver. He doesn't put the ball where only a receiver can get it in tight coverage.

This is what I've been discussing. While you guys are impressed with him throwing some outright with a receiver 5 yards behind, I'm not impressed with that because that won't always be happening.

Really. You are just being a hater. Dak is a rookie so no he won't be perfect but he has led this team to 6 straight wins and say what you want but Dak over came his mistakes and won the game. You also say interceptions......im sorry but Wentz is the only one out the 2 throwing multiple interceptions in a game

 

[Irvin88_4life]

And you suck at, you know, actually understanding what I'm arguing. You can keep trying. Read over it again.

What are you talking about with this "less turnovers than Rodgers" - The point there wasn't Dak throwing INTs, it's him holding onto the ball too long and taking a sack or getting the ball stripped. Read, comprehend, then respond. Take your time.

Just curious how many times do you think Dak has been sacked

 

[Proximo]

At this point, after 7 NFL games, the only way you can conclude that Wentz is a better pro QB than Dak is if you really really really use your imagination.

You have to imagine how much better Wentz would be performing if he had a better supporting cast on offense.

You have to imagine how poorly Dak would be performing if he wasn't surrounded by such a good offense.

You have to imagine that the Philly WR's and TE's are 100% completely incapable of gaining separation from defenders, as this justifies Wentz's dinking and dunking.

You have to imagine that the Cowboys' 2015 season never happened, that way we can say any QB could perform well in this offense, thus negating Dak's stellar performance.

You have to imagine that Philly's coaching staff is for whatever illogical reason not allowing Wentz to unleash that cannon of an arm on opposing defenses, because we all know he has such as amazing arm. Even though we haven't seen it yet.

So you see, all of us who haven't adopted the Wentz fetish yet, just need to work on using our imagination. Our problem is that we're stuck in reality, where, Dak has performed better in every possible way.

 

[SultanOfSix]

WTH? Wentz is the second pick in the draft. Daz is a fourth round pick, some hundreds of picks later. By default, any comparison only gives credence to Dak.

I don't even know why people are comparing them right now. It's way to early to make more than a speculative judgement. Luck was the consensus #1 pick in the draft several years ago and he still hasn't played up to his position in the draft IMO.