Wentz is better than Dak in some things at this point

[JDSmith]

WTH? Wentz is the second pick in the draft. Daz is a fourth round pick, some hundreds of picks later. By default, any comparison only gives credence to Dak.

I don't even know why people are comparing them right now. It's way to early to make more than a speculative judgement. Luck was the consensus #1 pick in the draft several years ago and he still hasn't played up to his position in the draft IMO.

The fact that the comparison is being made really says all that needs to be said. We used a 4th round pick, they used how many picks?

We win.

 

[mattjames2010]

We already saw him boss it in Seattle...

Thank you very much

Uh, you saw him in preseason. Please, don't compare the two.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

How about the very QB you brought up? Matt Ryan, while he had a couple turnovers, put up 250 yards and 3 TDs against their D. Cam had over a 100 rating, and really was just preventing a meltdown since they took early control of that game due to turnovers early. Bridgewater isn't a great QB, he hardly puts up big numbers against anyone.

Also, yet again, you are missing the point. I'm not saying Dak needs to have 300 yard game with 5 TDs. I'm saying he is going to being seeing tight coverage against even BETTER defenses in the future. Against Seattle, you will have Sherman locking up one side of the field, so that is one part of the field Dak won't challenge due to tight coverage. So you look elsewhere, you then have great safeties taking out other parts of the field with tight coverage and good linebackers helping to take out underneath routes. To Dak, this stuff will be covered due to those tight windows being considered blanketed coverage. Precision passing and zipped passes are needed here, something Dak has shown he is inconsistent with or just flat out can't do.

The last thing we want, which Dak has shown he does far too often, his hold the ball too long for a defender to come off the edge and sack him or worse force a turnover.

Its very clear you have no idea what you are talking about. Or you just don't watch the games or you hate Dak. It's funny reading what you make up next

 

[Irvin88_4life]

At this point, after 7 NFL games, the only way you can conclude that Wentz is a better pro QB than Dak is if you really really really use your imagination.

You have to imagine how much better Wentz would be performing if he had a better supporting cast on offense.

You have to imagine how poorly Dak would be performing if he wasn't surrounded by such a good offense.

You have to imagine that the Philly WR's and TE's are 100% completely incapable of gaining separation from defenders, as this justifies Wentz's dinking and dunking.

You have to imagine that the Cowboys' 2015 season never happened, that way we can say any QB could perform well in this offense, thus negating Dak's stellar performance.

You have to imagine that Philly's coaching staff is for whatever illogical reason not allowing Wentz to unleash that cannon of an arm on opposing defenses, because we all know he has such as amazing arm. Even though we haven't seen it yet.

So you see, all of us who haven't adopted the Wentz fetish yet, just need to work on using our imagination. Our problem is that we're stuck in reality, where, Dak has performed better in every possible way.

Great write up. You make great points and you are completely correct

 

[mattjames2010]

Its very clear you have no idea what you are talking about. Or you just don't watch the games or you hate Dak. It's funny reading what you make up next

Not an argument. Won't be addressed again until you come up with something of substance.

 

[phildadon86]

And you suck at, you know, actually understanding what I'm arguing. You can keep trying. Read over it again.

What are you talking about with this "less turnovers than Rodgers" - The point there wasn't Dak throwing INTs, it's him holding onto the ball too long and taking a sack or getting the ball stripped. Read, comprehend, then respond. Take your time.

Ummm. I was stating turnovers because Rodgers has been known to hold on to the ball too long this year. Perfect reflection of what you are trying to argue dak is doing. So the reading lessons may be needed by someone else

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Not an argument. Won't be addressed again until you come up with something of substance.

Substance.....haha...tell you what take off your Wentz love fest glasses and sit down and actually watch the games. Then we can have a debate, unless you want to still throw crap at a wall and hope it sticks

 

[windjc]

Dak needs work but this is what you get with a 4th round rookie. He's overachieved so far

Thats why most likely Dak is going to lose some games in terrible fashion and Romo is going to start before the end of the season. Hopefully Dak proves me wrong and we win a SB with a rookie QB for the first time in NFL history. But if I was a betting man, I'd bet on the former not the latter.

 

[JBS]

Uh, you saw him in preseason. Please, don't compare the two.

That's what everyone said in preseason


Nothing changed

 

[mattjames2010]

Ummm. I was stating turnovers because Rodgers has been known to hold on to the ball too long this year. Perfect reflection of what you are trying to argue dak is doing. So the reading lessons may be needed by someone else

Haha, who says Rodgers holds onto the ball too long? Rodgers is known to drop back and get the ball out of his hands at lightning speed. Also, you didn't make the distinction on his turnovers.

Also, this doesn't take away from Dak holding onto the ball too long. You simple stated, "Rodgers has more turnovers!" - Okay? The counters are getting worse and worse here. What Rodgers is doing means little to me here.

 

[phildadon86]

Haha, who says Rodgers holds onto the ball too long? Rodgers is known to drop back and get the ball out of his hands at lightning speed. Also, you didn't make the distinction on his turnovers.

Also, this doesn't take away from Dak holding onto the ball too long. You simple stated, "Rodgers has more turnovers!" - Okay? The counters are getting worse and worse here. What Rodgers is doing means little to me here.

From what ive gathered, everything but your opinion matters little here. So im done with this conversation. I said THIS season. Rodgers has been holding onto the ball to long, and has more turnovers because of it. Carry on with your Dak bashing.

 

[mattjames2010]

From what ive gathered, everything but your opinion matters little here. So im done with this conversation. I said THIS season. Rodgers has been holding onto the ball to long, and has more turnovers because of it. Carry on with your Dak bashing.

Run along.

 

[risco]

Six anonymous NFL personnel members: Before Prescott and Wentz played one another ESPN's Mike Sando polled six NFL personnel members to see who they'd pick between the two rookies. All six voted for Wentz. Here's a short part of Sando's article (which can be read here in its entirety):

All six said they would still take Wentz over Prescott now, but the gap between the two would be much smaller.

"Don't get me wrong, I'd take either one right now, sign a 10-year contract and go," the GM said. "Dak has done nothing wrong. Just the way Wentz goes about his business, he impresses me a lot. Wentz reminds me of Ben Roethlisberger -- a big guy who can stand back there and throw it."

All agreed that Wentz and Prescott seem driven to excel, which can be pivotal for long-term success as long as the player possesses sufficient talent. All agreed that Wentz is more advanced reading through progressions, an area where Prescott is improving. All agreed that Wentz and Prescott possessed the poise and overall makeup to succeed. Longer term, they want to see how both function as passers when forced to win games with their arms. That is always the ultimate test for quarterbacks.

These idiots should be ashamed to be on television, lol. But they are welcomed to their opinion, whatever that is!

 

[Biggems]

He is better at losing......3 losses to Dak's 1

 

[Rogerthat12]

I was reading some of the reports and wanted to share. I am not sure that this has been posted before so the mods can delete if so.

Mike Francesa, WFAN in New York City: Wentz, in what they're asking him to do he's doing it very well. He's accurate with the ball. He's a good passer. He looks the part, he really does. He really looks the part. So there are some things about Prescott that will show you how rough he is around the edges. You like his composure and you like the fact he doesn't rattle. He's still very rough around the edges in some parts at quarterbacking while Wentz is much more polished in what he's doing right now.

Colin Cowherd, FOX Sports 1: [Wentz] is really special. He doesn't have that Cowboy O-line, he doesn't have Ezekiel Elliott, he's got nothing to work with on the outside. I really like him. There was a couple plays [Sunday] when he got sacked from behind and didn't fumble. I think he's a very strong, athletic [and] nimble kid. I think he's good at the line of scrimmage. Both those quarterbacks [Wentz and Prescott] are. But I'll say it again: I like Dak, but boy that ensemble he's playing with. Ezekiel's better than I thought. Tyron Smith, that left tackle; I read a football site like a week ago and they called him like the sixth best tackle. I don't know who the other five are because last night, he's pushing guys around. I think Wentz is a really special player.

Accuracy needs work:

Head coach Doug Pederson has picked up on a mechanical issue. He noted Monday that Wentz's lower body and feet are not pointing in a direct line toward the intended receiver at times.

"Sometimes when your feet are not on the target line, you tend to throw high and you tend to throw inside of a receiver, which is what we saw a little bit yesterday," he said. "We just have to continue to drill it and drill it down to where you get in the game and it does become second nature."

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/...-carson-wentz-fighting-through-his-first-funk


Carson Wentz's biggest weakness has been exposed

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/10/nfl-philadelphia-eagles-carson-wentz-footwork

Brugler on Wentz:

WEAKNESSES: Locks onto reads with immature eye use, staring down targets and leading defenders…improved passing anticipation, but still developing his feel for timing routes – tick late and needs to speed up his reads…wide base and needs to improve his lower body efficiency…downfield and deep accuracy is inconsistent, leading or underthrowing…bad habit of pre-determining throws and forcing the ball into crowded coverage…needs to understand when the play is over and throw the ball away – 10 fumbles the last two years…on the move too much, even with a clean pocket, and will attempt throws without setting his base or coming to balance…lacks ideal starting experience for the position with questions about level of competition.

Just for accuracy and balance!

 

[LatinMind]

I was reading some of the reports and wanted to share. I am not sure that this has been posted before so the mods can delete if so.

Mike Francesa, WFAN in New York City: Wentz, in what they're asking him to do he's doing it very well. He's accurate with the ball. He's a good passer. He looks the part, he really does. He really looks the part. So there are some things about Prescott that will show you how rough he is around the edges. You like his composure and you like the fact he doesn't rattle. He's still very rough around the edges in some parts at quarterbacking while Wentz is much more polished in what he's doing right now.

Colin Cowherd, FOX Sports 1: [Wentz] is really special. He doesn't have that Cowboy O-line, he doesn't have Ezekiel Elliott, he's got nothing to work with on the outside. I really like him. There was a couple plays [Sunday] when he got sacked from behind and didn't fumble. I think he's a very strong, athletic [and] nimble kid. I think he's good at the line of scrimmage. Both those quarterbacks [Wentz and Prescott] are. But I'll say it again: I like Dak, but boy that ensemble he's playing with. Ezekiel's better than I thought. Tyron Smith, that left tackle; I read a football site like a week ago and they called him like the sixth best tackle. I don't know who the other five are because last night, he's pushing guys around. I think Wentz is a really special player.

Wentz is better at throwing the bubble screen, the 1 yrd out, the 2 yrd slant, the half yrd curl and the 8 yrd deep route.

 

[arglebargle]

Wentz is just an all around better human being.

Btw, this is why I'm smarter than the average fan. I can admit when a rival has a better player....

.....The fact that the Eagles have an elite blue chip QB for their future and the Cowboys don't?.....

So, this is the new fallback position for Mr. 'I am ALWAYS right!"? Your quotes are still all out there..... Man the next ten years are really going to rankle.

Me, I rarely judge a QB's career on their first seven games as a rookie. Don't wear a mantle of infallibility either.

 

[HappyOnions]

Wentz seems to have more zip on his throws...but that's about it.

Philly's offensive strategy seems to be short, quick passes and hoping for the most when it comes to YAC.

Dak does everything else better.

 

[Walker]

Yea, Wentz is better than Dak on somethings such as LOSING! Dak has more W's

 

[ConstantReboot]

I think the best way to compare is this.

What would Wentz do here, versus what Dak would do there.

Dak would make their team better. Just like he has made this team better with his style of play.