Werder: Run game was not the problem last season, Cowboys ran the football 45%

[75boyz]

Being a HC is not about game day involvement. It's a horse of a completely different color than OCs and DCs.

Is that why people don't like him? They don't understand the duties of an NFL HC?

I guess, if you're asking me did he appear to be some walk around low input delegatory team manager, then yes, I judged him.
This is not how normal NFL head coaches do things.
NFL Head Coaches have strong backgrounds in offense or defense or even special teams with John Harbaugh.

McCarthy is a playcaller. Offensive guy. Always had been prior to Dallas.

Now that the former playcaller is gone we will see how all of McCarthy's offensive training can influence team success.

Simple as that.

 

[noshame]

That formula was correct in all 2022 loses with Dak at QB.

The loss with Rush at QB met those requirements but they lost due to the QB.

Look with the game on the line, long drive little time.
Do you want the ball in Dak's hands?

 

[blueblood70]

For me personally I just believe both coordinators(Moore & Quinn) had far more influence on team success than Mac's input. I can't give credit when I question his actual game day involvement in all 3 phases. Do I have a hidden camera at the Star to track him for his game prep and planning? No, but when consistent public reports were that it was a supposed Jerry mandated hands off Moore offense AND obvious no defensive input to Quinns scheme/prep on Sundays lead me to these conclusions.

HC in name only prior to Moore's departure imo.

Now, that Kellen is gone, I will see IF he can actually coach.

It's gonna be interesting.

IN name only???? lmao HUH!!?? you are suggesting Moore ran this team. No one plays a HC 6 mil to do nothing. that fans perspective when they are a walk around coach but many teams have those and they are the HC for good reason, not a place holding title. that's as ridiculous as many of the narratives and OPINIONS that get posted by fans.

a HC gets blame but no praise ,,,right, try again hes the HC and whatever's happened to this point good or bad he was a part of.. see if he can coach??? like has a top 5 all time coaching record , a SB win and has us playing better then we have since the mid 90s and that includes a lot of adversity missing key players...

 

[FVSTONE]

This is a bit confusing coz something isn't adding up.........timing, sequence, play design??????

I mean MM says Kellen wanted to light up the scoreboard, he wanna rub the ball........

Everyone knows the real problem on this club, but he's not going anywhere because JJ doesn't have the STONES to make the right call in this matter. This is why the Cowboys won't be going to any NFC championship or SB games as long as WENTZ 2.0 is allowed to play QB on this team.

 

[fivetwos]

It all comes back to being too predictable….a problem that’s existed since Garrett got here.

 

[75boyz]

IN name only???? lmao HUH!!?? you are suggesting Moore ran this team. No one plays a HC 6 mil to do nothing. that fans perspective when they are a walk around coach but many teams have those and they are the HC for good reason, not a place holding title. that's as ridiculous as many of the narratives and OPINIONS that get posted by fans.

a HC gets blame but no praise ,,,right, try again hes the HC and whatever's happened to this point good or bad he was a part of.. see if he can coach??? like has a top 5 all time coaching record , a SB win and has us playing better then we have since the mid 90s and that includes a lot of adversity missing key players...

No, Im saying McCarthys offensive background did not show itself while Moore ran the offense. I question McCarthys actual influence while it was Kellen's.
Now that Moore is gone we will see how much influence he has towards team success.
Its still Quinn's defense so there's no McCarthy input there.
Fassel's special teams but I guess McCarthys 4th down decision making kinda comes into play there.

Overall,
He finally can show whether he can call effective plays again.

Next

 

[RonnieT24]

Run game was definitely the problem against teams that matter in the playoffs. Once Tony Pollard went down, our offense became stagnant with Zeke taking over the carries. Zeke ran hard but couldn't create separation once he got to the second level of the defense (that's when if got there) nor had the agility to make defenders miss. Also saw a coaching staff that didn't have enough trust to put in another running back (Malik Davis) which some posters think he can replace Pollard going into 2023.

Running the ball at a 45% doesn't mean jack if you don't have the players that'll command respect of the defense.

Zeke was fine until that dude hyper-extended his knee against Detroit. He averaged 4.1 ypc before and 3.1 after. It was a pretty clear and obvious line of demarcation. Two years in a row dude was derailed by a hit on the knee. That's football though. The Cowboys had an insurance policy in TP that really worked out for them. I am still a little miffed that the Cowboys let/made Zeke play through that injury in 2021. I felt at the time he might be doing permanent damage and it seems to have been proven to be true. He was averaging over 5 ypc before he hurt his knee in 2021.. and has been at least a yard below that ever since. Playing through that injury was dumb for all parties involved. For him, for the coaches, for the training and medical staff and for ownership who at least publicly continued to view him as a cornerstone player. If they truly thought that then sacrificing maybe the rest of his career vs 5-6 games would have made no sense whatsoever.

 

[blueblood70]

No, Im saying McCarthys offensive background did not show itself while Moore ran the offense. I question McCarthys actual influence while it was Kellen's.
Now that Moore is gone we will see how much influence he has towards team success.
Its still Quinn's defense so there's no McCarthy input there.
Fassel's special teams but I guess McCarthys 4th down decision making kinda comes into play there.

Overall,
He finally can show whether he can call effective plays again.

Next

lol still makes no sense, you are implying he does nothing ie no influence over the team, that hooey! LMAO..doesnt matter, like i said many, more walk around's then play callers, even sirannis stepping away from play calling. nothing to prove to you for sure a fanbase does not matter. who will be on the roster matters, first what will jerry give him to work with, health matters, and he might be coaching for his job in a way but proves nothing. still the best coach we have had since Parcells and the fact hes actually won more games in short time than Parcells and didn't quit like a little witch. best production weve had as a team since the mid 90s. facts.. hes coached well. they finished 2020 3-1, 2021 12-5 6-0 in the division and a playoff berth 2022 12-5 2nd round thats progress and heck of record over that period.

so hes 28-13 including the Playoffs...

His NFL bones have already been laid..he a top coach in the nfl.

 

[LatinMind]

This is a bit confusing coz something isn't adding up.........timing, sequence, play design??????

I mean MM says Kellen wanted to light up the scoreboard, he wanna rub the ball........

Media have zero information anymore. I have seen this said idk how many times basically word for word. This is how bad reporting has gotten, just lazy idiots.

Just cause you run doesn't mean you did a good job. Kellen let's be honest didn't know how to run the ball. His play design and playcalling were for passing, and he ran it when he felt like it. He would have a great drive running the ball, then the next would be a 3 and out with 3 passes.

Half of the teams runs seemed to be the same stupid stretch handoff that never works. Shotgun run delays, the stretch run from the shotgun.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Zeke was fine until that dude hyper-extended his knee against Detroit. He averaged 4.1 ypc before and 3.1 after. It was a pretty clear and obvious line of demarcation. Two years in a row dude was derailed by a hit on the knee. That's football though. The Cowboys had an insurance policy in TP that really worked out for them. I am still a little miffed that the Cowboys let/made Zeke play through that injury in 2021. I felt at the time he might be doing permanent damage and it seems to have been proven to be true. He was averaging over 5 ypc before he hurt his knee in 2021.. and has been at least a yard below that ever since. Playing through that injury was dumb for all parties involved. For him, for the coaches, for the training and medical staff and for ownership who at least publicly continued to view him as a cornerstone player. If they truly thought that then sacrificing maybe the rest of his career vs 5-6 games would have made no sense whatsoever.

I'm pissed about nearly everything they did to zeke. I would love to know the number of career blocks he has. Compared to Emmitt, Sanders, and the zeke haters' current favorite....Henry.

 

[TwoDeep3]

The team could not run the ball after Steele got injured. Zeke averaged like 2 yards a carry at the end of the season and Pollard slowed down. The Cowboys don’t have to go back to the 90s but they need to run the football better then they have the last two seasons. The Cowboys are looking at the Eagles and the 49ers who run the ball against everyone.

Your post is correct.

The answer is rebuild the offensive line. That opens holes for the run and protects better for the pass.

 

[glimmerman]

3 delay handoffs up the clogged middle. Then act like our run game broke. Even Tony had to showcdase his speed to the edge. Remember how everyone blasted Zeke for his slowness there? Tony shouldn;t have to bounce to the outside 10-15 meaningless yard when he SHOULD be busting up the middle for REAL yards.


Another example of it? The interception after the near int. The very same play. Just so predictable and lack of surprising the defense. I'm not worried about the run pass ratio...I'm concerned that we never seem to surprise the defenses.

Not to mention I remember so many teams laughing after games saying we already knew what they were going to do. He got figured out 1 season at the end because someone doing film noticed he used the same hand signals he used in college. Why would he do that. Lmao.

We win so many games because of our players beating out the man across from them. I know that’s what’s supposed to happen but imagine some element of surprise also.

 

[glimmerman]

Not more we ran plenty but better, more efficiently, better schemed and get more physical against the better teams we meet especially in the playoffs. let’s not abandon the run so quickly.

They should have leaned on Malik in that game. The play Pollard was injured on was open all day. He could have taken that dump off play. And Dak should have used his legs on that last pick in the red zone. Had open field if he rolled out. Hoping MM will let him play his game and not throw 40 times a game.

 

[T-RO]

The Cowboys are looking at the Eagles and the 49ers who run the ball against everyone.

Fans have a way of mis-remembering things and creating false narratives:

Divisional Playoff, Yards Per Rush
Cowboys, 3.5 yards per carry
49ers, 3.5 yards per carry

Conference Championships, Yards Per Rush
49ers, 3.4 yards per carry
Eagles, 3.4 yards per carry

Nobody was running effectively. Both of these games were driven by QB play and penalties. Catch this stat:
Cowboys got 1 first down via penalty, 49ers 3
The next week Eagles got 7 first downs via penalties, 49ers 0.

 

[75boyz]

lol still makes no sense, you are implying he does nothing ie no influence over the team, that hooey! LMAO..doesnt matter, like i said many, more walk around's then play callers, even sirannis stepping away from play calling. nothing to prove to you for sure a fanbase does not matter. who will be on the roster matters, first what will jerry give him to work with, health matters, and he might be coaching for his job in a way but proves nothing. still the best coach we have had since Parcells and the fact hes actually won more games in short time than Parcells and didn't quit like a little witch. best production weve had as a team since the mid 90s. facts.. hes coached well. they finished 2020 3-1, 2021 12-5 6-0 in the division and a playoff berth 2022 12-5 2nd round thats progress and heck of record over that period.

so hes 28-13 including the Playoffs...

His NFL bones have already been laid..he a top coach in the nfl.

Yeah,
Belicheck teams don't have his defensive background influence right?
Reids or Peytons offensive influence on their teams?
McVeys offensive input?

So while Moore was here and engineering the offense where was this strong McCarthy influence since Quinn had the dee and Boness had specials....?

Durrrr....
You're clueless cuz it took him 3 years just to learn Kellens so-called predictable offense and then if he was so clearly the man in charge and clearly witnessing Kellen struggle with playcalling against SF then why not elbow the kid outta the way and take charge?
Huh?
You don't know do you?
I do cuz Papa Jerry is his daddy and he stealing a check collecting puppet coach retirement checks.

When he falls on his face cuz of this scrub QB, I just wanted to be the first to warn you.

Go sit down

 

[baltcowboy]

Fans have a way of mis-remembering things and creating false narratives:

Divisional Playoff, Yards Per Rush
Cowboys, 3.5 yards per carry
49ers, 3.5 yards per carry

Conference Championships, Yards Per Rush
49ers, 3.4 yards per carry
Eagles, 3.4 yards per carry

Nobody was running effectively. Both of these games were driven by QB play and penalties. Catch this stat:
Cowboys got 1 first down via penalty, 49ers 3
The next week Eagles got 7 first downs via penalties, 49ers 0.

Did you watch the games? The 49ers started winning because they started running the football with CMC. The Cowboys struggled once teams stopped Pollard and made the Cowboys one dimensional. Two years ago when the Cowboys were rolling, Dak was killing it with play action while the running game was one of the top 3 in the game. The Cowboys 12 personnel was killing teams. Once Dak,Jarwin, Tyron, Pollard and Zeke was injured mid season the team fell apart. The first 8 games in 2021 we controlled teams with our balanced attack. The Eagles this season destroyed teams because of the fear of their running game. The Cowboys want to return to early 2021.

 

[T-RO]

I am still a little miffed that the Cowboys let/made Zeke play through that injury in 2021. I felt at the time he might be doing permanent damage and it seems to have been proven to be true.

Making stories up, bro. You have nothing and no one to back this fiction up. It's amazing how desperate you are to defend your boy.

Accept things. Zeke was great but like other backs, he's aged. Nothing valuable left there.

 

[T-RO]

Did you watch the games? The 49ers started winning because they started running the football with CMC

LOL. McCaffrey had 35 yards rushing for the whole game. Who's not watching... thoughtfully?

 

[RonnieT24]

Making stories up, bro. You have nothing and no one to back this fiction up. It's amazing how desperate you are to defend your boy.

Accept things. Zeke was great but like other backs, he's aged. Nothing valuable left there.

What am I making up? Which of the items on this list are made up?

1) Zeke was averaging > 5ypc before injuring his knee in 2021
2) Zeke played with a huge brace on that knee for 12 games in 2021 and averaged 1.5 ypc less in those games than he had been prior to the injury.
3) Zeke averaged 4.1 ypc before injuring his knee in 2022
4) Zeke played with a huge brace on that knee for 8 games in 2022 and averaged a full yard per carry less in those games than he had been prior to the injury.
5) Zeke looked even worse after the 2022 injury than he did after the 2021 injury.

Let me know which of these is "made up."

Obviously I can only conjecture that the knee was damaged more while playing through that injury in 2021 but deductive reasoning and logic would indicate that knee injuries don't get better with medical treatment and/or rest. That injury that year was a 6-8 week injury. Keeping him on the field through that was a horrible idea. I said it THEN and I am not going to change my stance now. I don't need to "defend" anybody. Zeke himself was complicit in wanting to keep play though he was clearly hurt. So he gets at least some of the blame for his own demise. But I am on record that I will never blame a player for wanting to play.. It should fall to smarter people to tell him not to. The Cowboys failed Ezekiel Elliott in that deal. And in doing so they failed themselves.. because IMHO they shortened his career and cost themselves games now and in the future by turning a dominant player into a gimped up JAG that they were paying 12 million bucks a year.

Stoopid
Stoopid
Stoopid

 

[T-RO]

What am I making up?

Simple. The part I quoted. You suggested the Cowboys staff caused "permanent damage" by having him play.

You have zero grounds to say this, and Zeke himself contradicts you. Here's Elliott's own words:

"But actually probably a month of two into the offseason, a month or two getting back into work, and I'll say probably by the time OTAs hit, I was back 100,"​

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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...y-burst-fully-healthy-to-start-training-camp/