We're going to have to cut a quality d-linemen

[JIGGYFLY]

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And 10th in the all important hurries. I guess he's the guy you want if all you want is someone to get near the QB after 6 or 7 seconds.

Every chart you posted puts him in the top half of NFL DE's.

So how exactly again is he such a worthless player?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Sacks.

just looking at nfl.com, he looks like he tied for 51st overall with 6, but that is among all defensive players. Among DEs, he ranks much higher. \

 

[BlindFaith]

yea, we got slightly better than average production for slightly less than average play, not sure why people want to get rid of that.

1. DE Hardy

2. 3T T Crawford
3. DE Lawrence
4. DE Gregory
5. 3T J Crawford
6. DE/3T Russell
7. 1T Bishop
8. 3T/1T Coleman
9. Edwards - Third league in the year. Original 5th round pick.

10. Hayden - I'd be looking for a 1T to replace him after final cuts.

Mincey - You save 1.8 mil by cutting prior to the year.
Gardner - Probably should be moved inside.

McClain - Always hurt. You save 900,000 by cutting prior to the year


So that's what we have. I'd for sure keep the top 9. Only 8 count the first 4 games. What do you do?

Keep Mincey? He'll be a two down player the first 4 games. Gregory will get the passing downs. When Hardy comes back, then what does Mincey give you? And if you cut him you'd save almost 2mil.
I'd cut Mincey. Move Lawrence over to the right side and use Crawford and Russell on the left for run downs. Move Lawrence back over to the left on passing downs.

If you keep Mincey, then who do you let go when Hardy comes back? Bishop, Coleman or Edwards? That's assuming McClain doesn't make it.

Save the money, get rid of Mincey and McClain. Find a replacement for Hayden.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't agree. Mincey was seldom doubled.

GB did it all game. I know that to be the case. I've also demonstrated over the years that I watch the all-22 and break down each play. I'm fine standing on that.

 

[BlindFaith]

Every chart you posted puts him in the top half of NFL DE's.

So how exactly again is he such a worthless player?

Around half of the teams last year were 3-4 teams. That means roughly 16 teams had a DE that would be tagged the pass rushing threat in 4-3. Mincey was 25th when compared to a player tagged as a DE. Some of those guys are actually 3-4 defensive ends. Those guys are even supposed to be pass rushing threats. That would go to the Linebacker.

For him to be even an average pass rusher, he'd need to be in the top 10 of just DEs. He was 25th.

When you compare him to all pass rushers he was 43rd. He was the 28th best pass rusher on a players given team when you compare him to the best pass rusher of each team.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

1. DE Hardy

2. 3T T Crawford
3. DE Lawrence
4. DE Gregory
5. 3T J Crawford
6. DE/3T Russell
7. 1T Bishop
8. 3T/1T Coleman
9. Edwards - Third league in the year. Original 5th round pick.

10. Hayden - I'd be looking for a 1T to replace him after final cuts.

What are you basing your rankings on, just your personal preference? Looks, that way, because you can't rationalize Mincey being lower than JCrawford and the rest at least not based on anything on the field. I think you are seriously over valuing Bishop, Coleman and Edwards. I like the two DTs more than Edwards, but I don't think there would be a gaping whole if any of the three were released and I most certainly would not keep all 3. We need to keep some players who have actually played and can contribute in the NFL.

Mincey - You save 1.8 mil by cutting prior to the year.
Gardner - Probably should be moved inside.

McClain - Always hurt. You save 900,000 by cutting prior to the year


So that's what we have. I'd for sure keep the top 9. Only 8 count the first 4 games. What do you do?

Keep Mincey? He'll be a two down player the first 4 games. Gregory will get the passing downs. When Hardy comes back, then what does Mincey give you? And if you cut him you'd save almost 2mil.
I'd cut Mincey. Move Lawrence over to the right side and use Crawford and Russell on the left for run downs. Move Lawrence back over to the left on passing downs.

If you keep Mincey, then who do you let go when Hardy comes back? Bishop, Coleman or Edwards? That's assuming McClain doesn't make it.

Save the money, get rid of Mincey and McClain. Find a replacement for Hayden.

I disagree that Mincey will only be a 2 down player the first two games. DLawrence will not play 100% of the third downs, so Mincey will get quite a few plays there and on top of that, TCrawford will not play 100% of the third downs and while they like JCrawford, Mincey has received work at the 3-tech as well and by any form of measurement is a better player at this point.

Then when Hardy comes, Mincey will obviously see the field less, as will every other DE, but he'll still get plenty of snaps at either DE spot or the 3-tech.

And are you assuming that Hardy, Lawrence, Gregory and TCrawford will remain 100% healthy? If any of them go down, Mincey likely takes their spot in the line-up and is light years better that JCrawford or LEdwards.

 

[BlindFaith]

GB did it all game. I know that to be the case. I've also demonstrated over the years that I watch the all-22 and break down each play. I'm fine standing on that.

Being double teamed because you command it is different than being doubled teamed just because a guard doesn't have anyone else to block. Teams by no means game planned for Mincey. They started game planning for Crawford. And I still don't recall Mincey being doubled all game against Green Bay or anybody else.

 

[BlindFaith]

What are you basing your rankings on, just your personal preference? Looks, that way, because you can't rationalize Mincey being lower than JCrawford and the rest at least not based on anything on the field. I think you are seriously over valuing Bishop, Coleman and Edwards. I like the two DTs more than Edwards, but I don't think there would be a gaping whole if any of the three were released and I most certainly would not keep all 3. We need to keep some players who have actually played and can contribute in the NFL.



I disagree that Mincey will only be a 2 down player the first two games. DLawrence will not play 100% of the third downs, so Mincey will get quite a few plays there and on top of that, TCrawford will not play 100% of the third downs and while they like JCrawford, Mincey has received work at the 3-tech as well and by any form of measurement is a better player at this point.

Then when Hardy comes, Mincey will obviously see the field less, as will every other DE, but he'll still get plenty of snaps at either DE spot or the 3-tech.

And are you assuming that Hardy, Lawrence, Gregory and TCrawford will remain 100% healthy? If any of them go down, Mincey likely takes their spot in the line-up and is light years better that JCrawford or LEdwards.

Mincey is not light years ahead of J Crawford. In my opinion, Crawford gives you much more inside than what Mincey would.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I believe Mincey will be a bit player by mid year. Mincey is better than Edwards now, but Edwards is younger, more athletic and cheaper. He will only get better.

And Mincey will not be on this team next year. Now what if we can't or don't sign Hardy back next year? What are you left with at DE? Lawrence and Gregory. And who behind them?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Mincey is not light years ahead of J Crawford. In my opinion, Crawford gives you much more inside than what Mincey would.

And you're basing this opinion on what exactly? Past performance, stats, what exactly?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I believe Mincey will be a bit player by mid year. Mincey is better than Edwards now, but Edwards is younger, more athletic and cheaper. He will only get better.

Far from a given that Edwards will be as good as Mincey. In fact, I'd bet against it.

And Mincey will not be on this team next year. Now what if we can't or don't sign Hardy back next year? What are you left with at DE? Lawrence and Gregory. And who behind them?

I wouldn't mind resigning Mincey, just depends on price, but if we have Lawrence and Gregory as the starters, having Edwards or not, won't make me feel better or worse. If Mincey is a JAG at best, Edwards is far less than that at this point.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

My cuts would be Terrell McClain, Lavar Edwards, and (unwillingly) Ben Gardner.

For all the hate Hayden and Mincey get, I want to point out two stats:

1. Hayden had 52 combined tackles last season and the Cowboys ranked 8th in the NFL against the run. He must be doing something right.

2. I read somewhere (wish I had the link) that Mincey had more QB pressures (not sacks, obviously) than Jason Pierre Paul; and JPP played almost 200 more snaps. Of course, JPP was doubled a lot more than Mincey; but it's still an intriguing fact.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I'd be open to cutting McClain just because he's always injured.

 

[BlindFaith]

And you're basing this opinion on what exactly? Past performance, stats, what exactly?

Just my opinion of what I saw from him last year and how he's doing in camp this year. He was a guy that didn't play a lot of football prior to college. I just get a sense that he's starting to get it now.

I wouldn't mind resigning Mincey, just depends on price, but if we have Lawrence and Gregory as the starters, having Edwards or not, won't make me feel better or worse. If Mincey is a JAG at best, Edwards is far less than that at this point.

Mincey was a JAG that got cut by several teams before he got here. He's better than Edwards now, but in a year he could be an adequate backup. And he's 1.3 mil cheaper than Mincey.

 

[BlindFaith]

1. Hayden had 52 combined tackles last season and he must be doing something right.

Hayden had 17 solo tackles and 21 assists. Where are you getting your stats from?

the Cowboys ranked 8th in the NFL against the run.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

The Cowboys were 22nd when you look at how they really played and not just at total yardage. A very poor stat to use by the way.

2. I read somewhere (wish I had the link) that Mincey had more QB pressures (not sacks, obviously) than Jason Pierre Paul; and JPP played almost 200 more snaps. Of course, JPP was doubled a lot more than Mincey; but it's still an intriguing fact.

JPP had 10 hurries. He also had twice the sacks and twice the tackles. And he was the focus of that defense.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Mincey was a JAG that got cut by several teams before he got here. He's better than Edwards now, but in a year he could be an adequate backup. And he's 1.3 mil cheaper than Mincey.

And Edwards was dealt for a conditional 7th, which I don't think we paid since we released him at the end of camp...and he cleared waivers

 

[BlindFaith]

And Edwards was dealt for a conditional 7th, which I don't think we paid since we released him at the end of camp...and he cleared waivers

I'm not saying Edwards is some world beater. I'm saying he offers potential.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I'm not saying Edwards is some world beater. I'm saying he offers potential.

and I'm saying going into a season where I hope we make a deep playoff run, Mincey's level of production far outweighs Edwards potential, which to me, isn't that great.

 

[BlindFaith]

and I'm saying going into a season where I hope we make a deep playoff run, Mincey's level of production far outweighs Edwards potential, which to me, isn't that great.

I guess we'll see.

 

[Galian Beast]

Bills are looking for DL right now. Instead of cutting "quality" players, why not get something if possible. I'm sure other teams can use "quality" DL too.

I'd love to see a trade, but I'm not certain what anyone can really give us that is necessarily an upgrade for us.

What positions are we weakest at?

QB, RB, OT, LB, FS

Honestly I don't see anyone giving us anything great that would probably make the team at any of these positions. Maybe a free safety over Heath/McCray.

 

[BAT]

I'd love to see a trade, but I'm not certain what anyone can really give us that is necessarily an upgrade for us.

What positions are we weakest at?

QB, RB, OT, LB, FS

Honestly I don't see anyone giving us anything great that would probably make the team at any of these positions. Maybe a free safety over Heath/McCray.

FS would be my choice and Buffalo is not the only trade option. Why not open talks for a guy who is proven and unhappy with current situation, go after Eric Weddle. Chargers do not seem willing to keep him beyond this season.

 

[FaSho]

The moment you accept Hayden will make the roster the happier you'll be.

It's true, but I just feel like he's a progress stopper. Let's go young, cut McClain and Hayden, and let it ride with Coleman and Bishop at 1Tech.