We're Still Firmly In QB Purgatory

[Swagger]

Good question. I thought about this while watching the Commanders game. I feel Jerry's ego is intertwined with Dak's success. Meaning Jerry wants to be the GM that found a super bowl winning QB in the 4th round. I feel he wants the credit for finding the diamond in the rough. This blinds him to Dak's limitations. If Jerry were to use a draft pick for Dak's successor now, ala Green Bay drafting Love or Kansas City drafting Mahomes then it would be him conceding he was wrong. I don't think he'll do that. The only hope we have is Dak plays so poorly in the playoffs and next season that it forces Jerry's hand to look for his successor.

My hope and belief that Dak can be the guy has been shattered. He's too inconsistent, injury prone, and it's getting to be a mental issue with the interceptions.

Excellent post. He was the same with Romo being undrafted. Only difference being Romo was a good quarterback in a disfunctional setup.

 

[baltcowboy]

What is the cap hit if you trade Dak? Teams take cap hits and survive. The Eagles took a big one for Wentz and it didn’t kill them. Not sure what the hit would be for Dak though

Yeah the Cowboys can trade Dak in 2024. Similar to Russ with Seattle.

 

[Swagger]

Yeah the Cowboys can trade Dak in 2024. Similar to Russ with Seattle.

So it makes sense to draft his replacement this year or next

 

[mcmvp]

So it makes sense to draft his replacement this year or next

They would be dumb if they didn’t try to find the next guy this off-season

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

This is gonna be fun. This is the best chance our team has had to win anything since 2016.

At least we looked good in 2016.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

So it makes sense to draft his replacement this year or next

Ya gotta do it this year.

It accomplishes a couple things.

1. If THAT doesn't light a fire under Dak to at least try to be better then you know not to waste another second on him
2. Dak isn't the guy. We all know this, but he's under contract. We can have the new guy learn for a couple years instead of throwing him right in.

 

[coult44]

There are some here that really hope Dak is our QB for the next 6 years.

They're not Cowboys fans though.

You can't be a Cowboys fan and hope Dak is the long term QB. It's a conflict of interest. You're either one or the other.

There are some here that really hope Dak is our QB for the next 6 years.

They're not Cowboys fans though.

You can't be a Cowboys fan and hope Dak is the long term QB. It's a conflict of interest. You're either one or the other.

If he wins two playoff games in good fashion I’ll give him more time.
But as far as your remark, you can’t be a Cowboys fan, or even a decent human being if you think everyone has to agree with you all the time!!! That’s a conflict of interest

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

If he wins two playoff games in good fashion I’ll give him more time.
But as far as your remark, you can’t be a Cowboys fan, or even a decent human being if you think everyone has to agree with you all the time!!! That’s a conflict of interest

When did I say anyone has to agree with me all the time? lol

 

[MyFairLady]

Yeah the Cowboys can trade Dak in 2024. Similar to Russ with Seattle.

This would be a dream scenario at this point. Hopefully Dak plays great in the playoffs but can you imagine a draft pick haul like they got it would be awesome.

 

[khiladi]

Because he can't get out from under that horrible contract right now.

Jerry sucks too, but he ain't going anywhere.

Who cares about the contract if you are interested in winning. The money is still gone, or you could try and get somebody to take him off your hands with that little time left on the contract anyways.

 

[khiladi]

I'm sort of in the same boat...although Dak is clearly better than anything the Cowboys had between the Aikman-Romo days. For that reason I am not eager to get rid of Dak without some plan B in mind, but I also don't think you pass up someone you really like because of Dak. Personally, I think you either have an elite QB or you should always be on the look for one. I think the Cowboys can win with Dak, but give me a Burrow, Mahomes, etc and I'm not setting myself up mentally for a letdown as I am now.

If the Cowboys get an Aaron Rodgers situation in the draft this year I'm all for taking it. If the Cowboys find a mid round guy they want to develop for 2025 they should go for it. It's really just a matter of how everything else falls. The problem is these situations don't happen every year. Sounds like the Cowboys were close last year with Sam Howell, but Washington got to him first.

What I'm not a huge fan of is going the Colts route and continuing to bring in vet QB after vet QB, giving up draft capital and being disappointed every year.

Randall Cunningham was light years better than Dak ever was.

 

[khiladi]

Yesterday was a microcosm of the Dak era, which has played out exactly as I and others called it as far back as the end of his rookie season.

He give you a play or two like that beautiful TD throw, which shows real potential, then throw a bunch of head scratchers, leaving you wondering how he got paid. Give you enough to be seen as contenders, but never enough to get over the hump.

The story of his football life.

Give you enough when he has quality team around him, but if he's on an average team, he's just another fart in the wind and nobody would know his name. We saw this in 2017 when Zeke was suspended and pre-Amari and seen it for significant stretches every year he is on this team.

 

[khiladi]

no plan except go drafting. there is Mahomes, There is Burrows and Lawrence (#1 over all pick). then there is the following high picks in the first round (not all of them listed)
Zack Wilson #2 pick
Justing Fields #11 pick
Jordan Love (never really seen the field)
Murray (#1 overall pick)
Daineil Jones (#6 pick)
Dwane Haskings #15 pick
Bake Mayfield #1 pick
Darnold #3 pick
Josh Rosen #10 pick
Turbiskey#2 pick
Goff #1 pick
Wentz #2 pick
Lynch #26 pick
Watson #12 pick (#1 rapist)
Winston #1 pick
Mariota #2 pick
Blake Bortles #3 pick
Manziel#22 pick

so since Mahomes was picked in 2016, there are three legit QBs in the first round (Allen, Mahomes, Burrows) and 18 failed and several TBD and unknown (herbert, lance, tua, etc.)

its risky, but last time a pick really worked out, its close to top 10. can't recall a lower round QB over past 8 years that worked out.

there is a much higher chance of failing in first round than succeeding. should one not try? yes we should. when is the right time to try? ...based on Data , you have to be close to top 10 and be lucky on who is coming out.

Herbert is not in anyway an unknown.... He's already breaking records, has the worst OC in the league in his second year, meaning they even changed the system on him. His team has really been ravaged by injuries and the whole offense basically centers on his ridiculous abilities. Have guys actually seen him play?

 

[CowboyFrog]

The only "Fans" in QB purgatory are the ones who still believe there is this mythical creature who "Lifts" a team up and wills it to win a SB... The rest of us understand that until they fix some glaring problems in philosophy we will continue this 26 year ground hog day...You will be in QB purgatory forever if the GM doesnt do this, it will just be a new name your talking about.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Herbert is not in anyway an unknown.... He's already breaking records, has the worst OC in the league in his second year, meaning they even changed the system on him. His team has really been ravaged by injuries and the whole offense basically centers on his ridiculous abilities. Have guys actually seen him play?

sounds like a bnch of excuses for why Herbert isn't in the elite category....but then again, every other QB gets and excuse. Herbert is good, not elite....that's the point. he hasn't put the team on his back as everyone demands from an elite QB. he may, but not yet.

 

[stilltheguru]

I hear people say that "we don't appreciate what we have" and must have forgotten about "the QBs between Aikman and Romo".

We're still there. It's just a little prettier.

It's time for this organization to take the QB position seriously again. I'd much rather be on the QB search than be handcuffed to a QB that requires everything to be perfect around him. The margin for error in roster building is incredibly small with a QB of Dak Prescott's skill level. We have to hit on everything to succeed with Dak at QB and that takes a lot of smarts and luck.

You're not going to draft the next Patrick Mahomes if you handcuff yourself to Alex Smith.

What is wrong with you? You have Dak on your mind more than Tad. Damn

 

[zeke21]

I may be the only one.. but for me even if Dak does win this week.. my opinion on our need to 'move on' from him doesn't change. The 20% cap he uses next season is obscene.. and we will lose talent because of it.

The irony of those who claim we will be in further 'hell' if we lose Dak.. and not realising that we will continue to lose guys like Cooper, Pollard, Parsons et al.. so that we can keep paying Dak.

No matter how you slice it.. Dak is overpaid for what he produces. And I don't think there is another team in the league stupid enough to take him... his numbers look pretty but the rest of the league knows.. they know he has been gifted a great roster his whole career.. they know he is a B-B+ range QB that is being paid overs. I half think most of them were very happy when Jerry paid Dak.. made their job easier to beat us for 100%. Other teams (the good ones) love the fact that they can scheme to beat our run game and know that Dak won't have the skills to beat them. Dak bullies weak opposition.. always has. When we start feasting.. he runs up those pretty stats all game. I still find it odd to see him out there slinging the ball around deep in the 4th when we are up by 14+ points. Other teams use those opportunities to put in the back up and keep them fresh.. or just run the ball to grind the clock out faster.. but not us? I have my theories.

So a playoff win does nothing to change my mind at this stage.. if Dak can take us to the championship game.. or on a SB run.. then maybe.

 

[Qcard]

These Dak haters will watch this upcoming playoff game at Tampa Bay with hopes the Cowboys lose just to fuel their lust to see Dak no longer in Dallas. That's how bad their hatred is.

My best friend works in DC for the government, and he remembers this is how full of hatred and maddening crazy many Washington fans used to get when Kirk Cousins was their QB. Shortly after Cousins was finally shipped out to the Vikings, those foolish fans started realizing what a huge mistake it was to get rid of Cousins. Today, many of the Cousins haters wish they still had Cousins after the carousel of QBs who have come and gone for that joke of a franchise.

Exactly...the same Dak Haters touted Carson Wentz, Paxton Lynch etc etc...they assume a 1st RD pick QB will automatically cure all. Plus you still have the butt hurt Romo Era fans about Dak hijacking the 2016 lockerroom

Win or Lose against Tampa their just some Cowboy "fans" who'll never accept this version of the Franchise.

I gave up on them after the Wr by committee vs Amari Cooper Goalpost Shifting

I hope Prescott keeps Winning and the Dak Haters will fade like the Landry congregation that never accepted Jerry Jones.

LFG!!

 

[Qcard]

I may be the only one.. but for me even if Dak does win this week.. my opinion on our need to 'move on' from him doesn't change. The 20% cap he uses next season is obscene.. and we will lose talent because of it.

The irony of those who claim we will be in further 'hell' if we lose Dak.. and not realising that we will continue to lose guys like Cooper, Pollard, Parsons et al.. so that we can keep paying Dak.

No matter how you slice it.. Dak is overpaid for what he produces. And I don't think there is another team in the league stupid enough to take him... his numbers look pretty but the rest of the league knows.. they know he has been gifted a great roster his whole career.. they know he is a B-B+ range QB that is being paid overs. I half think most of them were very happy when Jerry paid Dak.. made their job easier to beat us for 100%. Other teams (the good ones) love the fact that they can scheme to beat our run game and know that Dak won't have the skills to beat them. Dak bullies weak opposition.. always has. When we start feasting.. he runs up those pretty stats all game. I still find it odd to see him out there slinging the ball around deep in the 4th when we are up by 14+ points. Other teams use those opportunities to put in the back up and keep them fresh.. or just run the ball to grind the clock out faster.. but not us? I have my theories.

So a playoff win does nothing to change my mind at this stage.. if Dak can take us to the championship game.. or on a SB run.. then maybe.

@America's Cowboy evidence of Dak Hate Win or Lose....

 

[Bullflop]

Dak is largely a "feast or famine" type of QB. He'll either beat you impressively or beat himself by forcing the ball into coverage. One thing he must avoid religiously is forcing the ball into double coverage. It's a situation where disaster awaits whenever he chooses to force the ball into the path of a ready-to-pounce LB or DB. Throwing the ball away is oftentimes the safer move to make. Dak must avoid the temptation of being overly aggressive and forcing the ball into the hands of a waiting adversary. Here's hoping he learns to err on the side of caution, throw it away and continue to play on.