Westbrook to visit Skins ?

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I dunno, I think the Commanders are planning something rather brilliant here: Ride an over-the-hill RB into the ground and then turn to another.

What if they intend to run Portis in September. Then, once he breaks down, go with Johnson in October. Then Parker in November and, of course, Westbrook in December.

I wonder who they plan on signing for their intended playoff run?
 

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nalam;3398418 said:
Looks like the rest of the teams in NFC east going younger , Skins are going the other way. In adition to their old RBs , they are bringing in Westbrook for a look. Though I have to say Westbrook and Mcnabb together are good , still can this happen ? What would be implications for rest of the beast ?

Westbrooks has been one of the most underrated all-purpose players in the recent history of the NFL.

However, he is finished. Too many injuries and age have caught up.
 

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If this was like four seasons ago, this skins backfield would be sick!
 

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CowboysFaninDC;3398532 said:
give me your old, your broken, your rejects, yoru head cases and we will mold them into a giaratric group that can't be beat on the Sr. league. the Commanders are quickly becoming the Raiders-East

Maybe the Commanders can trade Haynesworth for Darris Heywood-Bey.:laugh1:
 

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zrinkill;3398523 said:
When did he do that?

Last time he won a Superbowl his team was young.

o word? what about that 18-0 team? are all those wins thrown out becuz they didn't win the championship?
 

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WG5516;3399187 said:
o word? what about that 18-0 team? are all those wins thrown out becuz they didn't win the championship?

Yep....
 

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This is the aging RBs version of if you throw enough crap against a wall something is bound to stick. Odd way to build a team.
 

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Personally I think the skins are making a big mistake going after all these older players. I think they will be improved from the 4-12 team they were last season but in the long term I can't see this helping them.
 

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I like Westbrook more than the other two guys they brought in.

I can actually see him having a positive influence on their offense. Especially in the passing game.
 

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Doomsday101;3399205 said:
Personally I think the skins are making a big mistake going after all these older players. I think they will be improved from the 4-12 team they were last season but in the long term I can't see this helping them.

Long-term, it definitely hurts them. I think their line-up is going to be a little bit better than 4-12 as well. I just hope we give them their usual dose of two annual thumps.
 

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CowboyMcCoy;3399242 said:
Long-term, it definitely hurts them. I think their line-up is going to be a little bit better than 4-12 as well. I just hope we give them their usual dose of two annual thumps.

Right now my gut feeling is the skins will be 8-8 on the season but I think that 4 game jump is not worth it in the longer term
 

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Doomsday101;3399252 said:
Right now my gut feeling is the skins will be 8-8 on the season but I think that 4 game jump is not worth it in the longer term

Here is one thing people gloss over.

Having an effective QB allows you to re-tool the team long term. McNabb, and the old RBs buys time for the o-line to get younger (see the 3 o-line draft picks) LB corps, and allows the WRs to grow up a bit.

The Commanders simply weren't going to have 30 guys under the age of 25 on this team this year. Not enough picks, and NFL teams aren't built that way

However, bringing in a bunch of guys to 1 year deals that have something to prove helps with the competition in camp. None of these RBs are long term solutions, and its obvious by the contracts they have signed that Allen-Shanahan don't believe they are either
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3399273 said:
Here is one thing people gloss over.

Having an effective QB allows you to re-tool the team long term. McNabb, and the old RBs buys time for the o-line to get younger (see the 3 o-line draft picks) LB corps, and allows the WRs to grow up a bit.

The Commanders simply weren't going to have 30 guys under the age of 25 on this team this year. Not enough picks, and NFL teams aren't built that way

However, bringing in a bunch of guys to 1 year deals that have something to prove helps with the competition in camp. None of these RBs are long term solutions, and its obvious by the contracts they have signed that Allen-Shanahan don't believe they are either

Not glossing over anything, your team is trying to win now and doing so by bringing in old players and in the meantime young players sitting on a bench who will still lack the playing time.
 

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Its the same ole story since Snyder bought the team. Give up valuable draft picks for older players. It has not worked so why keep going with the same strategy. The only thing changing is the coaching staff. Portis, Johnson,McNAbb, and Haynesworth could be a lethal cocktail of attitude once things head south.
 

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Doomsday101;3399277 said:
Not glossing over anything, your team is trying to win now and doing so by bringing in old players and in the meantime young players sitting on a bench who will still lack the playing time.

What young players are sitting on the bench? :laugh2:

Thomas, Kelly and Davis will get plenty of PT this year

Trent Williams is already starting at LT. The defense will be centered around Brian Orakpo. Rogers, Hall and Landry aren't exactly over the hill, neither are Doughty, Horton or Moore (drafted in 2006, and 2008 respectively)

The QB spot has a vet, and the RB spot is loaded with vets, as is the d-line.

The o-line will undergo a 2-3 year transition (who the hell needs to start 5 rookie o-lineman), as will the RB spot, and you already see it occuring at LB.

Just because nobody knows who the young guys are (seriously, do you know who Kareem Moore is, probably not) doesn't mean they aren't playing.

As much as I wanted the roster to be filled with 30 players under the age or 25, thats just not practical, with the FA rules this year, and lack of draft picks in years past.

Where I would be upset would be if Johnson, Parker, Galloway got long term 4 year deals with big guranteed money. But they all signed cheap, easy to cut deals.

Look at what Bill Parcells did in 2003-2004. Brought in a bunch of vets to provide competition and raise the professionalism of the Cowboys and then slowly transitioned the team over the next 3 years, while maintaining a competitive team for 2 of his first 3 years.

Shanahan is fourtanate in that he was able to get a better QB then any of QC, VT, or DB.
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3399344 said:
What young players are sitting on the bench? :laugh2:

Thomas, Kelly and Davis will get plenty of PT this year

Trent Williams is already starting at LT. The defense will be centered around Brian Orakpo. Rogers, Hall and Landry aren't exactly over the hill, neither are Doughty, Horton or Moore (drafted in 2006, and 2008 respectively)

The QB spot has a vet, and the RB spot is loaded with vets, as is the d-line.

The o-line will undergo a 2-3 year transition (who the hell needs to start 5 rookie o-lineman), as will the RB spot, and you already see it occuring at LB.

Just because nobody knows who the young guys are (seriously, do you know who Kareem Moore is, probably not) doesn't mean they aren't playing.

As much as I wanted the roster to be filled with 30 players under the age or 25, thats just not practical, with the FA rules this year, and lack of draft picks in years past.

Where I would be upset would be if Johnson, Parker, Galloway got long term 4 year deals with big guranteed money. But they all signed cheap, easy to cut deals.

Look at what Bill Parcells did in 2003-2004. Brought in a bunch of vets to provide competition and raise the professionalism of the Cowboys and then slowly transitioned the team over the next 3 years, while maintaining a competitive team for 2 of his first 3 years.

Shanahan is fourtanate in that he was able to get a better QB then any of QC, VT, or DB.

Your team if your happy I'm happy. I think the skins have no clue as to what they are doing just my take.
 

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Doomsday101;3399351 said:
Your team if your happy I'm happy. I think the skins have no clue as to what they are doing just my take.

Thanks for providing great analysis. It really added to the discussion
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3399344 said:
What young players are sitting on the bench? :laugh2:

Thomas, Kelly and Davis will get plenty of PT this year

Trent Williams is already starting at LT. The defense will be centered around Brian Orakpo. Rogers, Hall and Landry aren't exactly over the hill, neither are Doughty, Horton or Moore (drafted in 2006, and 2008 respectively)

The QB spot has a vet, and the RB spot is loaded with vets, as is the d-line.

The o-line will undergo a 2-3 year transition (who the hell needs to start 5 rookie o-lineman), as will the RB spot, and you already see it occuring at LB.

Just because nobody knows who the young guys are (seriously, do you know who Kareem Moore is, probably not) doesn't mean they aren't playing.

As much as I wanted the roster to be filled with 30 players under the age or 25, thats just not practical, with the FA rules this year, and lack of draft picks in years past.

Where I would be upset would be if Johnson, Parker, Galloway got long term 4 year deals with big guranteed money. But they all signed cheap, easy to cut deals.

Look at what Bill Parcells did in 2003-2004. Brought in a bunch of vets to provide competition and raise the professionalism of the Cowboys and then slowly transitioned the team over the next 3 years, while maintaining a competitive team for 2 of his first 3 years.

Shanahan is fourtanate in that he was able to get a better QB then any of QC, VT, or DB.

the problem with the Commanders has been they have changed too many coaches over the past decade and thus their team is composed of a lot of players that may not fit the current scheme and caused the team to have no scheme-identity. shanahan is trying to get the team competitive right away, thus all the old player signings. but the question would be is that the right move? McNabb is a short terms solution. their OL needs updated other than trent williams who was just drafted. they switched to the 3-4 now and have a a couple of front 7 players that fit the mold (orakpo). the WRs haven't proven anything. the team has no identity right now and needs several years to reach it. I wonder if its a good idea to bring all these old players to become competitive instead of again giving up high draft picks and not building from ground up. a high second roudner could have fetched them Clausen. talented. good arm. accurate. young. in the mold of cutler (a head case much like clausen that Shanny groomed).

this draft was also loaded with RBs, instead now its the 30 something show.

the skins will continue to struggle and at best be mediocre and these moves will only prolong things.
 
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