Westbrook to visit Skins ?

[jterrell]

Here is one thing people gloss over.

Having an effective QB allows you to re-tool the team long term. McNabb, and the old RBs buys time for the o-line to get younger (see the 3 o-line draft picks) LB corps, and allows the WRs to grow up a bit.

The Commanders simply weren't going to have 30 guys under the age of 25 on this team this year. Not enough picks, and NFL teams aren't built that way

However, bringing in a bunch of guys to 1 year deals that have something to prove helps with the competition in camp. None of these RBs are long term solutions, and its obvious by the contracts they have signed that Allen-Shanahan don't believe they are either

ROFL. Dude, seriously, take that weak sauce stuff back to ES where they pretend it makes sense.

The Skins are giving up draft picks and filling roster posts with guys old enough to get discount lunches at Luby's. They are also still signing older, pricier free agents.

They had a horrid team last year and clearly need to re-build. You do that through the draft and free agency with young, young players.

The other thing is this: The owner needs to grow up and realize you have got to put a system in place. You can't introduce new offenses and defenses every 3rd year. It invalidates the vet you signed to play in it and the small few draftees you selected.

If people picking the Skins to win 8 games makes you feel any better than you are a sad, sad fan. That's exactly what Dallas fans want for Washington. Forever mediocrity and bad drafts. What we don't want is you guy collecting top 5 draft picks because eventually they would be good.

You guys are right now the model for what not to do in a front office. Only Millen saved you from that fate for the entire past decade.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

You guys are right now the model for what not to do in a front office. Only Millen saved you from that fate for the entire past decade.

So what did Parcells do in 2004?

Bring in Vinny and his old cronies from the Jets/Patriots. And then brought in Bledsoe and Keyshawn.

It bought him some time to change the culture from the Campo disaster with professional players. It took a pretty good draft in 2005, and the luck of having Romo pan out, to really start to turn the corner (10-6, 6-10, 9-7, 9-7 and THEN 13-3)

Again, this doesn't happen over night. You can't have a roster with 30 players under the age of 25, just doesn't happen in the NFL

 

[Doomsday101]

Thanks for providing great analysis. It really added to the discussion

As I told you I think the skins are looking for a quick fix nothing more than that and I think it is a mistake in a long list of mistakes the skins have made. You want to defend it be my guest.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

As I told you I think the skins are looking for a quick fix nothing more than that and I think it is a mistake in a long list of mistakes the skins have made. You want to defend it be my guest.

A quick fix would have been throwing money at Peppers, Dansby and Rolle. All 3 need areas.

Yet the new regime didn't do that.

They DID address the 2 biggest holes on offense though, a LT and QB.

 

[jterrell]

As to Westbrook specifically, it doesn't make one bit of difference.

One or two of these ancient backs will be there and play behind a still very shaky OL. None of them are explosive at this time and and the smaller, less speedy versions of Westbrook and Portis aren't exactly scaring defenses to death.

End of the day at least one and possibly all 3 over the hill backs will get cut.

Shanahan needs a good OL and we will not have that this year. The Commanders OL is no where near what he uses for his zone blocking schemes. In fact half the potential starting OL is absolutely atrocious in that concept.

Defenses are going to play the run on 1st and 2nd downs then sit in nickel and harass McNabb on 3rd downs. McNabb just lost his big play weapons of last season and will really struggle behind a far inferior OL to what he had in Philly.

Shanahan is a good coach and his hiring made sense but only if you really wanted to re-build over the next couple of seasons.

 

[jterrell]

So what did Parcells do in 2004?

Bring in Vinny and his old cronies from the Jets/Patriots. And then brought in Bledsoe and Keyshawn.

It bought him some time to change the culture from the Campo disaster with professional players. It took a pretty good draft in 2005, and the luck of having Romo pan out, to really start to turn the corner (10-6, 6-10, 9-7, 9-7 and THEN 13-3)

Again, this doesn't happen over night. You can't have a roster with 30 players under the age of 25, just doesn't happen in the NFL

How many playoff games did Parcells win here exactly????

Bringing in those old guys was just plain wrong. What Parcells did get right however was in filling the team with draft picks and targeted unsigned free agents. He didn't trade a 2nd round pick for Vinny or Bledsoe.

How did Vinny and Drew look here? That make you feel better about McNabb???

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

How many playoff games did Parcells win here exactly????

Bringing in those old guys was just plain wrong. What Parcells did get right however was in filling the team with draft picks and targeted unsigned free agents. He didn't trade a 2nd round pick for Vinny or Bledsoe.

How did Vinny and Drew look here? That make you feel better about McNabb???

McNabb>>>>VT+DB

The point is though, he brought in professional football players who knew what it took to play in the NFL. It was part of the culture change he needed to do at Valley Ranch after 5-11, 5-11, 5-11.

As great as it would be to have 15 draft picks, Allen and Shanahan had to make due with what was available and left over from the Cerrato/Zorn disaster. I didn't expect any miracles this year, I was just glad to see quite a bit of fat cut (10 players cut on the eve of FA) and smart targeted FA signings as opposed to the big splashy signing of Peppers or Dansby.

The first 2 picks needed to be a LT and QB, not neccessarily in that order. The Commanders weren't getting Bradford, and a QB in round 2 would have represented no real improvement for 2010 and 2011

 

[BigD]

So what did Parcells do in 2004?

Parcells brought in Parcell guys. Proven guys that he coached and was familiar with. There are no Shanny guys on your roster, unless he wants to bring in Terrell Davis for look on Friday? How about Elway? LMAO! Is he hoping to turn the 2010 foreskins into the 2004 eagles? He's doing whatever he can to win right now and I love it. There is no future for your piss poor franchise. You are filling your roster with stop-gaps.

 

[jterrell]

A quick fix would have been throwing money at Peppers, Dansby and Rolle. All 3 need areas.

Yet the new regime didn't do that.

They DID address the 2 biggest holes on offense though, a LT and QB.

Commanders FREE AGENT SIGNINGS 2010
Name Pos. Exp. ’09 Team Date Signed
Darrion Scott DE 4 --- April 28
Howard Green DT 6 Jets April 19
Roydell Williams WR 3 Commanders April 19
Marques Hagans WR 2 Commanders April 19
Ryan Torain RB 1 Broncos April 19
Greg Peterson DT 4 Jaguars April 15
Anthony Bryant DT 3 Giants April 12
Willie Parker RB 6 Steelers April 5
Phillip Buchanon CB 8 Lions March 29
Josh Bidwell P 11 Buccaneers March 23
Rex Grossman QB 7 Texans March 17
Larry Johnson RB 8 Bengals March 12
Sean Ryan TE 6 Chiefs March 11
Maake Kemeoatu DT 8 Panthers March 10
Casey Rabach C 8 Commanders March 8
Artis Hicks G 8 Vikings March 6
Phillip Daniels DE 14 Commanders March 5
Mike Williams G/T 6 Commanders March 5

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Commanders FREE AGENT SIGNINGS 2010

And how many of them have contracts longer then 2 years?

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

And how many of them have contracts longer then 2 years?

So instead of re-tooling the team with younger players who could grow . . . you're singing vets who likely won't be on the team in two years.

The Commanders seem to be trying to win now -- which doesn't make a lot of sense. If they were in a weak division like the NFC West, then I could see these moves making sense. But while the Commanders are signing old men to two year deals, the Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles are signing/drafting young kids who will be around in the long term.

 

[Chuck 54]

I'd love for them to have 4 over-paid RBs with no real youth or future.

Sign him up.

 

[Doomsday101]

So instead of re-tooling the team with younger players who could grow . . . you're singing vets who likely won't be on the team in two years.

The Commanders seem to be trying to win now -- which doesn't make a lot of sense. If they were in a weak division like the NFC West, then I could see these moves making sense. But while the Commanders are signing old men to two year deals, the Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles are signing/drafting young kids who will be around in the long term.

But as Billy Joel would say "Don't going changing to try and please me" "I like you just the way you are"

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

So instead of re-tooling the team with younger players who could grow . . . you're singing vets who likely won't be on the team in two years.

The Commanders seem to be trying to win now -- which doesn't make a lot of sense. If they were in a weak division like the NFC West, then I could see these moves making sense. But while the Commanders are signing old men to two year deals, the Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles are signing/drafting young kids who will be around in the long term.

Really? So I guess Trent Williams, Selvish Capers, Perry Riley and Dennis Morris are old men.

And honest question-how many on that list are "old men." Be honest, you have no idea.

Adam Carriker-about to get social security.

Here is a pop quiz for you. How many under 30 FA's were out there not named Peppers and Dansby that could actually contribute to and make the team better in 2010?

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Really? So I guess Trent Williams, Selvish Capers, Perry Riley and Dennis Morris are old men.

The only names recognizable to me are Riley and Williams. I'll assume the remaining two were your other draftees.

Congrats on taking your four draft picks to camp. Novel concept.

Adam Carriker-about to get social security.

I'd be really suprised if he even makes the team. I mean, it was a smart no-risk move for you guys, but he's done.

Here is a pop quiz for you. How many under 30 FA's were out there not named Peppers and Dansby that could actually contribute to and make the team better in 2010?

You were a 4-12 team. I'm sure there were a number of free agents available other than the premier names that could've helped. That said, this years free agency is a little off on account of the CBA.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

You were a 4-12 team. I'm sure there were a number of free agents available other than the premier names that could've helped. That said, this years free agency is a little off on account of the CBA.

Name them.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Name them.

I'll be honest, I'm not interested in digging up the names of free agents who were available. If you find a list, I'll point it out. But my "care" factor isn't that high right now. Maybe it's because I just had lunch, and I'm a little nappy.

Go Joey Galloway!

 

[jterrell]

McNabb>>>>VT+DB

The point is though, he brought in professional football players who knew what it took to play in the NFL. It was part of the culture change he needed to do at Valley Ranch after 5-11, 5-11, 5-11.

As great as it would be to have 15 draft picks, Allen and Shanahan had to make due with what was available and left over from the Cerrato/Zorn disaster. I didn't expect any miracles this year, I was just glad to see quite a bit of fat cut (10 players cut on the eve of FA) and smart targeted FA signings as opposed to the big splashy signing of Peppers or Dansby.

The first 2 picks needed to be a LT and QB, not neccessarily in that order. The Commanders weren't getting Bradford, and a QB in round 2 would have represented no real improvement for 2010 and 2011

The Cowboys faced McNabb in his final 2 games. We are hardly scared of him. He was plainly bad. And that is with a far better WR corps than he has in Washington and with a vastly superior OL.

I understand the culture change stuff.

BP brought in a couple guys that worked well in that regard but he also signed about 5 too many vets which is why that 13-3 never occurred under BP. He never had the full talent in place because he played wack-a-mole with vets too long.

Vet stop-gaps can work in limited instances but you guys could have easily started Rex Grossman. And then used that top 5 pick of round 2 on another player with great potential whereas McNabb in 3 years is done and then goes into the HoF as an Eagle.

Signing guys like Buchanon just makes zero sense. He isn't a good team player by reputation and he is as old as Smoot.

Signing Larry Johnson is about professionalism? Come on dude, you are selling but no one is buying. The Skins have one of the most dysfunctional teams around and they aren't going to remedy that with 8th year guys. They need to bite the bullet and lose 14 games instead of trying to hold on. The only ammo you get is draft picks and now those draft picks will be lesser.

Are you really going to tell me you guys couldn't have used Nate Allen, Sergio Kindle, Lamarr Houston or Jimmy Clausen?

Clausen was many people's 2nd most talented QB and you could have had him and Trent Williams. Or you could have traded down a few spots and let someone else take Okung because he was rated higher by most Offensive systems and then selected Trent anyways but also getting Clausen plus a young pass rusher like Kindle/Houston.

If you dont want to take my word for it just go look at how the Pats draft.
no team stays relevant if they don't draft a lot of quality young players.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

A quick fix would have been throwing money at Peppers, Dansby and Rolle. All 3 need areas.

Yet the new regime didn't do that.

They DID address the 2 biggest holes on offense though, a LT and QB.

actually not really. they decided to switch to 3-4 so peppers didn't fit. dansby was probably out of their price range and for the first time in years they decided to be fiscally responsible. Rolle is a bit over rated.

they still gave up a draft pick for an older QB. they are signing anything over 30 (johnson, galloway, mcnabb).

and even if the old regime was there, they might not have signed any of those players, part of it because those players my not have wanted to come to DC (rolle & dansby).


right now no one can really tell what the Commanders are because most of the pieces don't fit.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

McNabb>>>>VT+DB

The point is though, he brought in professional football players who knew what it took to play in the NFL. It was part of the culture change he needed to do at Valley Ranch after 5-11, 5-11, 5-11.

As great as it would be to have 15 draft picks, Allen and Shanahan had to make due with what was available and left over from the Cerrato/Zorn disaster. I didn't expect any miracles this year, I was just glad to see quite a bit of fat cut (10 players cut on the eve of FA) and smart targeted FA signings as opposed to the big splashy signing of Peppers or Dansby.

The first 2 picks needed to be a LT and QB, not neccessarily in that order. The Commanders weren't getting Bradford, and a QB in round 2 would have represented no real improvement for 2010 and 2011

again, skins gave up a high second round pick to get McNabb who is not the long term solution. plus parcells brought his guys not just guys (some of whom were available to the team at the time). there was a philosophy change and a culture change. Larry Johnson? is that a philosophy change? cultural change? seriously!!!!!. McNabb is not a shanahan guy. he was the best they could get. Galloway...seriously!!! I mean really....are you serious.

they could have swallowed a big one, stick with their 2nd round pick. accumulate more picks by trading down and start stocking the team with young talent in a deep draft.

and its not about 2010 and 2011 because they have much bigger needs. they could have developed a younger talent that would have been there for years instead of taking mcnabb for short term gains.