WFAA: Steve Young: "He can't be the reason why they lose"

[Jarv]

I would also like to point out that with the same number of starts under their belt .... Tony "turnover" has exactly ONE more interception than the most accurate passer of all time Troy Aikman did.

Not making excuses ...... just trying to show the worriers that Romo is still ahead of the curve and we should be nowhere near to giving up on him.

Davide Shula vs. Norv as the OC also...

 

[Rogerthat12]

Steve is right!!

 

[zrinkill]

that's even more reason to listen to the guy

he's been there

Never said we shouldn't.

 

[Hoofbite]

That's if you include the interceptions Romo threw as a backup. In his first 41 starts, Romo has 46 interceptions. Aikman had 48. Favre had 46. Peyton Manning had 53. Elway had 52. Marino had 44. During Marino's only three All-Pro seasons (1984-86), he threw 61 interceptions in 48 starts. In Marino's fifth, sixth and seventh seasons as a starter, he threw 58 interceptions in 44 starts. He ended his career with nine different seasons in which he averaged more than one interception per game. Even Joe Montana had five different seasons when he threw more than an interception per game as a starter.

You know what pops out to me with all those guys. They were all thrown into the fire from the word "Go". What'd Tony have....3, 4 years of watching before setting foot on the field?

Not that it is an excuse for any of them but just noteworthy, IMO.

 

[zrinkill]

You know what pops out to me with all those guys. They were all thrown into the fire from the word "Go". What'd Tony have....3, 4 years of watching before setting foot on the field?

Not that it is an excuse for any of them but just noteworthy, IMO.

They also came with pedigrees from big time programs ...... Tony came from a little school.

 

[AdamJT13]

You know what pops out to me with all those guys. They were all thrown into the fire from the word "Go". What'd Tony have....3, 4 years of watching before setting foot on the field?

Favre began his career as a backup in Atlanta. Marino didn't start until Week 6. Steve Young played two seasons in the USFL, then didn't start until Week 12 after signing with the Buccaneers (and threw eight picks in five games).

Not that it is an excuse for any of them but just noteworthy, IMO.

We could push it back later in their careers, too. In Favre's eighth, ninth and 10th seasons, he threw 55 interceptions in his first 41 starts of those seasons (62 in 48 starts total). I already mentioned Marino throwing 58 in 44 starts in his fifth, sixth and seventh seasons -- he threw 55 in the first 41 games of that span. In Peyton Manning's fourth, fifth and sixth seasons as a starter, he threw 50 in his first 41 starts of those seasons (52 in 48 starts total). In Elway's sixth, seventh and eighth seasons, he threw 47 in his first 41 starts of those seasons (51 in 46 starts total).

 

[Hoofbite]

They also came with pedigrees from big time programs ...... Tony came from a little school.

I don't really think that is all that important. Sure doesn't absolve Tony from any fault or level the playing field when talking about Romo making the same mistakes that other good QBs made when they were younger and had less experience. At least not to me it doesn't.

But again, here we are using these shoddy comparison as some sort of means to continuously look the other way when it comes to Tony's shortcomings.

Whenever he goes out there and lays a complete turd on the field, theres always multiple posts that compare him to certain QBs who either are or are not good. Always the comparisons to those above him like Manning, Brady and others and when it gets bad enough people start saying "At least he isn't Testeverde or Henson" or whatever other scrub never-was works for the time being.

We all know the story. Tony just needs to quit giving the ball away. If he doesn't, he won't take the team very far. If he does, the sky is the limit. So enough with the self-soothing comparisons. Different players, different circumstances, different times, different everything. For the here and now, Tony Romo needs to look at himself in the mirror and start living up to the standard all other QBs are held to: Quit giving the ball away.

 

[zrinkill]

:laugh2:

 

[Hoofbite]

Favre began his career as a backup in Atlanta. Marino didn't start until Week 6. Steve Young played two seasons in the USFL, then didn't start until Week 12 after signing with the Buccaneers (and threw eight picks in five games).

1 season or 6 weeks don't even compare to having 3 years, 6 weeks of bench time.

Young's situation is a little different.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

when this DEFENSE proves that they will not give up more than 17 points a game...then I will tell Tony to stop slinging it. He has won 70% of his games becaues of the sorry *** defense, penalites and special teams....no one had a problem with him when he was covering everyones *** from week to week.

 

[rcaldw]

Perhaps what the stats does not show is how the QBs compared in 'big' games, eh?...Throwing INTs in games against inferior opposition or doing it late in games when it's tight?...Somehow I don't think that will reflect Troy's performances.

This comparison always drives me crazy, and I always go off on the same long rant to demonstrate why it is a silly comparison, but I won't do it again. (you can all say thank you )

What I will say, in short, is that you are comparing a 29 year old guy in his 7th year, with where Aikman was at just starting out in the NFL. On top of that, Aikman's first season was playing on the one of the worst teams in NFL history and his 2nd season they were JUST starting to turn the ship. Romo started his stat accumulation (my how we love those stats) on some pretty good teams.

Bottom line is winning and that is what Romo has to learn to do. Biggest games require SMART QB's.

 

[btcutter]

Yes, Tony threw the stupid interceptions. He's an idiot for doing it.

FYI, Steve Young, same QB also got us the lead 31-30 with 3 min to go in the game and pinned back in their own end 15yd line facing 1st and 20. BUT our DEFENSE can not stop the G-men from marching down and score the winning FG.

Yes, the HEADLINES will read Tony Romo threw critical INTs AGAIN. But the real reason we lost is porous D. D ranks 30th in the league people.

 

[Hoofbite]

Yes, Tony threw the stupid interceptions. He's an idiot for doing it.

FYI, Steve Young, same QB also got us the lead 31-30 with 3 min to go in the game and pinned back in their own end 15yd line facing 1st and 20. BUT our DEFENSE can not stop the G-men from marching down and score the winning FG.

Yes, the HEADLINES will read Tony Romo threw critical INTs AGAIN. But the real reason we lost is porous D. D ranks 30th in the league people.

Sorry, every turnover including Felix fumble was points.

Turnovers were a far great reason for the loss than the D.

 

[thor_01]

The same guy you agree with in this thread thinks he is .... so does Troy, Roger, Terry, Norm, and just about every QB in broadcasting right now.

Are you by some chance related to Romo, I've never seen anyone who was a bigger, blinder, Romo apologist, willing to defend his every move leaving him the least resposibillity of any QB in the league.........

Unless this guy changes his colors magically like some chamaeleon, then he is what he is, quack quack, quack.........

 

[wileedog]

I don't really think that is all that important. Sure doesn't absolve Tony from any fault or level the playing field when talking about Romo making the same mistakes that other good QBs made when they were younger and had less experience. At least not to me it doesn't..

Of course its important. If he's never played the level of competition that Troy or any other big program QB has its going to take him much longer to acclimate to the speed of the game. It would have been suicide to throw Romo out his first or even 2nd year. Not to mention the quality of coaching- they had to complete remake Tony's technique and footwork when he got here. Aikman was much more of a finished product.

Does that absolve Romo still throwing dumb INTs in his 4th year as the starter? Not in the least.

Does it mean he absolutely doesn't belong in the same conversation with Troy when he already has more career 300 yard passing games and already has half of Aikman's Career TDs in 41 games?

Yeah, yeah playoffs big games etc. I still contend Romo hasn't gotten near the supporting cast and especially coaching and structure that Troy had after 89. And the fact that he had to sit on the bench for a few years just to get where Troy was right out of school from a preparation/experience standpoint is absolutely relevant.

 

[Dallas4ever]

Young makes a very points on Romo. Folks can draw up all of the excuses they want for him, but it is what it is. Your star players cannot be the reason you lose. Whether it be a star receiver dropping balls or a star RB fumbling. I'm still holding out hope that he'll get it together, but the timing of his mistakes are hard to overlook.

 

[zrinkill]

Are you by some chance related to Romo, I've never seen anyone who was a bigger, blinder, Romo apologist, willing to defend his every move leaving him the least resposibillity of any QB in the league.........

Unless this guy changes his colors magically like some chamaeleon, then he is what he is, quack quack, quack.........

When have I done that? I think Romo needs to get better for us to Win a Superbowl.

I am just not a kneejerk moron who thinks since the guy is not perfect in the start of his 3rd year as a starter he sucks.

Save your silly rhetoric for the rest of the pantheon .....

if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, its a duck, you can holler bunny all you want, it will still be a DUCK!!!!

Thats true ...... and Tony looks,walks,and talks like a young probowl QB ..... no matter how much people like you holler otherwise.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think Tony is more like a Camry.
Affordable, good overall performance but he's no beemer, M-B or Jaguar.

You can get unbelievable mileage out of a Camry. Romo is more like a Jeep. Can do some great, fun things, but usually breaks down a few times a year and after awhile you just want to drive it off a cliff, but then it suckers you back in when it's a summer day and you've got the top down, only to have you cursing at it a few weeks later as it won't start when you're parked at a QT.




YAKUZA

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Pretty much sums it up. If the team is doing some things well and we're in it, you can't take those chances. If it's early or something or we're behind, go right on ahead, take the chance, but you have to know what's going on in the game.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I am not as concerned with the INTs as some are. I see it as a maturation process as much as anything. None of the INTs he threw against the Giants were the result of poor decision making IMO. Two were the result of poor accuracy and the other was simply the result of not seeing the Safety or not doing a good job of finding the Safety is probably more accurate. However, as I mentioned in another thread, Tony's accuracy seems to be falling off just a bit. I am not certain what is causing this but it's worth watching IMO. If you look at the last 4 games from last year and the first two of this year, here is what you see.

52.8 L
66.7 W
53.3 L
53.8 L

59.3 W
44.8 L

His average is 55.1 over those last 6 games. His career average is 63.1.

This does worry me a bit.