What Are The Chances That Extension Talks With Dak Go Bad?

[CouchCoach]

Jerry n Son have no leverage (rarely do), so Dak will get whatever he wants based on the market.

He's going to do what is in his own personal best interest, as any of us would.

There may be a slight difference between what some posters here think he is worth and what he and his agent think. He bet on himself on the tag once already.

He has a 160M no tag, no trade contract. His agent probably knows what Daniel Jones is going for and since Prescott signed that last deal, he's been steadily sliding down the rankings of what QB's are paid and that's the only score that really matters.

 

[Hoofbite]

Restructuring only works for players that you are 100% sure will be on your team for the remainder of the contract and produce at a high level. Pretty sure Ozzie Newsome has stated as much about a decade ago. Dallas has always gone the wrong route by restructuring players they "hoped" would be on the team through the duration of the contract, and many never were. DeMarcus Ware (countless times), Miles Austin, Brandon Carr, etc. The list is literally endless and they end up with dead money they can't use, no leverage, and end up cutting players.

I expect they'll screw this one up just as they have in the past. If Zeke is cut, I will be shocked.

 

[Swagger]

He's going to do what is in his own personal best interest, as any of us would.

There may be a slight difference between what some posters here think he is worth and what he and his agent think. He bet on himself on the tag once already.

He has a 160M no tag, no trade contract. His agent probably knows what Daniel Jones is going for and since Prescott signed that last deal, he's been steadily sliding down the rankings of what QB's are paid and that's the only score that really matters.

If the front office want to move on from Prescott then they can cut him after next season. Prescott can't prevent this so the front office can still dictate how it plays out by drafting a QB in the first round in the upcoming draft.

 

[Mr_437]

It's simple. Draft a QB in first round. Keep Prescott for this season whilst we ease in the rookie. Dump Prescott end of next season ideally via trade or just cut him.

Time to put the wheels in motion in this draft that the front office is moving on.

Interesting they fancy themselves a drafting team, but don't use the draft to combat high salaries at certain positions. The least the could is draft for leverage purposes especially at QB.

 

[5Stars]

Jerry has already thrown snake eyes and dug a empty oil well.

Because it you think about Dak's last contract it is going to cost this team in the long run. Dak is in the drivers seat going out to JJ's boat if he wants to and nothing JJ can do about it at this time.

 

[Mr_437]

He's going to do what is in his own personal best interest, as any of us would.

There may be a slight difference between what some posters here think he is worth and what he and his agent think. He bet on himself on the tag once already.

He has a 160M no tag, no trade contract. His agent probably knows what Daniel Jones is going for and since Prescott signed that last deal, he's been steadily sliding down the rankings of what QB's are paid and that's the only score that really matters.

Dak knows if he hits the open market he'd get overpaid, but getting in Dallas better due to the endorsements. But, Dak isn't the problem, it's the FO allowing him to hold all the cards.

 

[CouchCoach]

If the front office want to move on from Prescott then they can cut him after next season. Prescott can't prevent this so the front office can still dictate how it plays out by drafting a QB in the first round in the upcoming draft.

Regarding the Joneses history with drafting QBs, which Prescott and his agent are more than familiar with, I think they let them fly with that. He just plays and bides his time for a rookie flameout or moves onto another team.

QB is the hardest position to pick and the fear the Joneses should have is they could do worse because they already have and had to luck into their last 2 starting QB's.

Add to this the amount of time Booger & Son have spent spinning Dak Prescott at the fans. Just another good reason for owners not to be GM's or have weekly radio shows.

 

[Swagger]

Dak knows if he hits the open market he'd get overpaid, but getting in Dallas better due to the endorsements. But, Dak isn't the problem, it's the FO allowing him to hold all the cards.

Only a bad, desperate team would overpay him. He would be exposed as a gash QB within a season at such a team. They would give him another 6 months and realise they messed up in a huge way.

A good team wouldn't pay him squat which is why cutting him at the end of next season is the only way to release him. He would be delusional and only want to join a contender whilst such teams would have zero interest in him so a trade is not a realistic possibility.

 

[CouchCoach]

Dak knows if he hits the open market he'd get overpaid, but getting in Dallas better due to the endorsements. But, Dak isn't the problem, it's the FO allowing him to hold all the cards.

Same as it is with most of the negotiations the Joneses are involved in.

 

[Swagger]

Regarding the Joneses history with drafting QBs, which Prescott and his agent are more than familiar with, I think they let them fly with that. He just plays and bides his time for a rookie flameout or moves onto another team.

QB is the hardest position to pick and the fear the Joneses should have is they could do worse because they already have and had to luck into their last 2 starting QB's.

Add to this the amount of time Booger & Son have spent spinning Dak Prescott at the fans. Just another good reason for owners not to be GM's or have weekly radio shows.

How many quarterbacks have this front office drafted in the first round? I can only think of the Hall of Famer Troy Aikman.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

How many quarterbacks have this front office drafted in the first round? I can only think of the Hall of Famer Troy Aikman.

Aikman is the only QB this FO has drafted in the first round.

It's been almost 35 years since they decided to take the QB position seriously.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

My alternative is to sign a much cheaper QB and have the same success that we have with Dak while looking for an actual QB that's worth that top pay. As I said you can lead the NFL in INTs and fail in the playoffs for much cheaper than you're paying Dak.

I don't think it's as difficult as some want to make it. The only thing that makes it difficult is hitching your wagons to a QB that needs a ton of help like the Cowboys have done for the past 15 years with Dak and Romo. Even then if you want to you can be on the hunt for your future QB. The last time the Cowboys took the QB position seriously was when they drafted Aikman.

I use the Rams as an example all the time. If Goff played for the Cowboys and led us to the Super Bowl like he did the Rams he would've been our QB for the next 15 years. Instead, the Rams knew he was a weak link, moved on, traded for Stafford, and instantly won the Super Bowl. Jerry would've NEVER moved on from that. That's an example of a team making a trade to get a missing piece.

Here's the other route the Cowboys refuse to do.... The Cowboys would've never traded up to draft Mahomes in a year that Alex Smith led them to the playoffs. Jerry and Co would have been 100% happy with that and would think they just need to put more help around Smith refusing to see that Smith is the weakness here. That's an example of a team taking a chance and drafting a QB, letting him sit a year, and then giving him the chance.

Then you have the Bucs and Brady. The Bucs moved on from Winston and signed Brady and instantly won the Super Bowl. The Cowboys could've signed Brady, but they didn't, because they didn't want to risk it or move on from Dak. That's an example of a team signing a high level veteran QB and it changing the whole franchise.

The last 3 Super Bowl champs have been teams that were taking the QB position seriously and either draft, sign, or trade for a QB while moving on from a weak link at the position.

So, it's simple really to me. You draft, sign, or trade for a QB. If it doesn't work out then oh well, because it's not working out with Dak either, but you have to take the risks to get the rewards.

Do. Not. Extend. Him.

 

[Swagger]

My alternative is to sign a much cheaper QB and have the same success that we have with Dak while looking for an actual QB that's worth that top pay. As I said you can lead the NFL in INTs and fail in the playoffs for much cheaper than you're paying Dak.

I don't think it's as difficult as some want to make it. The only thing that makes it difficult is hitching your wagons to a QB that needs a ton of help like the Cowboys have done for the past 15 years with Dak and Romo. Even then if you want to you can be on the hunt for your future QB. The last time the Cowboys took the QB position seriously was when they drafted Aikman.

I use the Rams as an example all the time. If Goff played for the Cowboys and led us to the Super Bowl like he did the Rams he would've been our QB for the next 15 years. Instead, the Rams knew he was a weak link, moved on, traded for Stafford, and instantly won the Super Bowl. Jerry would've NEVER moved on from that. That's an example of a team making a trade to get a missing piece.

Here's the other route the Cowboys refuse to do.... The Cowboys would've never traded up to draft Mahomes in a year that Alex Smith led them to the playoffs. Jerry and Co would have been 100% happy with that and would think they just need to put more help around Smith refusing to see that Smith is the weakness here. That's an example of a team taking a chance and drafting a QB, letting him sit a year, and then giving him the chance.

Then you have the Bucs and Brady. The Bucs moved on from Winston and signed Brady and instantly won the Super Bowl. The Cowboys could've signed Brady, but they didn't, because they didn't want to risk it or move on from Dak. That's an example of a team signing a high level veteran QB and it changing the whole franchise.

The last 3 Super Bowl champs have been teams that were taking the QB position seriously and either draft, sign, or trade for a QB while moving on from a weak link at the position.

So, it's simple really to me. You draft, sign, or trade for a QB. If it doesn't work out then oh well, because it's not working out with Dak either, but you have to take the risks to get the rewards.

Do. Not. Extend. Him.

Superbly put. You nailed it in a nutshell.

 

[CTcowboy203]

Yeah, at this point I think he'll take whatever they offer with his playoff losses and inconsistent play. I just really hope Dallas can get the no trade clause out of the contract in a restructure even if they need to pay a bit more. I'm sure they could get the Jets or Texans or someone to bite in 2024-2025 or so.

That’s just not how this works. Daniel jones has had 1 good year he wants near 45 million dollars. Derek Carr just got released and will have multiple suitors. Wentz was dying and was still able to net the eagles a nice return. As low as some may be on dak, if he was a free agent this year he would get too dollar on the open market

 

[CTcowboy203]

The rams moved on from Goff because they had one of the best coaching staffs and an extremely stacked roster with a top end and aggressive gm.

I’m fine not extending dak (although they will) but this isn’t a rams situation

 

[CouchCoach]

How many quarterbacks have this front office drafted in the first round? I can only think of the Hall of Famer Troy Aikman.

Steve Walsh was a 1st round supplemental.

But QB is tough for any team and how many 1st rounders are home runs? It is a risk pick with many 1st rounders that did not work out.

Wentz and Lynch, who the Cowboys would have taken in the 1st instead of Prescott in the 4th, come to mind.

What the Cowboys need to do is find a trade partner with a top 10 pick like HOU, IND or LV and some space to see if they can move Prescott, with his permission of course. Then take their shot at QB.

The question in their minds is how does that work with the fans because Prescott is well liked and the Man of the Year. I think the Joneses are fearful of a loss of face with Prescott performing better than their pick and how it looks is more important to Booger than how it really is.

 

[xwalker]

We all know that Jerry and Co will attempt to double down on their mistake and try and extend Dak to help the cap hit.

What are the chances that Dak's agent and or Dak have a higher asking price than our FO believes he is worth? Is there a chance that they just take it on the chin and ride the current deal out and move on if that's the case?

I'm not on the up and up when it comes to extensions, but is it set in stone that once talk starts Dak will be extended or could things go bad?

They don't have to extend Dak for cap purposes.

There are 2 void years on the end of his contract.
- They can push more money into the 1st void year (2025).
- They currently have 208M of cap space in 2025.
- Obviously they would need to replace him in 2025, but they can keep in in 2023 & 2024 without an extension.

The realistic point to move on from Dak would be 2025.
- Draft a QB in 2023 and maybe another one in 2024.
- If neither one works out, then they can extend Dak in 2025.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Sadly Jerry & Co. have shown their ineptness when it comes to contracts and Dak and his agents will yet again fleece Jerry leaving us fans heading into 30 years without a Super Bowl.

Facts!!!

 

[Coogiguy03]

If I’m Dak after the way I’ve been playing, I’d love to be in discussions for an extension

Cracking up!!!!!!! Lol lol

 

[xwalker]

Steve Walsh was a 1st round supplemental.

But QB is tough for any team and how many 1st rounders are home runs? It is a risk pick with many 1st rounders that did not work out.

Wentz and Lynch, who the Cowboys would have taken in the 1st instead of Prescott in the 4th, come to mind.

What the Cowboys need to do is find a trade partner with a top 10 pick like HOU, IND or LV and some space to see if they can move Prescott, with his permission of course. Then take their shot at QB.

The question in their minds is how does that work with the fans because Prescott is well liked and the Man of the Year. I think the Joneses are fearful of a loss of face with Prescott performing better than their pick and how it looks is more important to Booger than how it really is.

Yes, 2016 was unfortunate in that many years a 3rd QB is worth a top 10 pick but in 2016 the 3rd QB was picked at #30 and that was a reach.
- They definitely wanted a QB in 2016 and had pick #4.