What Did We Learn About the Eagles?

Chuck 54 said:
More importantly, what did we learn about ourselves and about what it takes to win in the NFC and Super Bowl.

The Eagles won the Super Bowl against a very good Chiefs defense that was able to shut down Saquan Barkley (25 carries for 57 yards and no TDs, and they only attempted 22 passes, 7 of those were to the RB, so only 15 passes directed towards the TEs or WRs. When is the last time a team won the SB with so little passing?
It didn't matter than they were getting nothing out of the run game; they leaned on their defense and still ran the ball more times than they passed it.

All those seemingly meaningless handoffs to Barkley made the Chiefs focus on the run game, and that gave Hurts 1) good protection and 2) good receivers running open all over the field.

What did the Eagles learn as their season rolled along? You tell me. Here are their passing attempts across 16 games.
  1. 34
  2. 30 - L
  3. 38
  4. 30 - L
  5. 25
  6. 14
  7. 20
  8. 24
  9. 20
  10. 28
  11. 22
  12. 19
  13. 21
  14. 32
  15. 28 - L
  16. 19
I'm not including game 17 because they played their 3rd string QB in a meaningless game with backups and let him throw the ball 41 times....haha.
It's obvious they were not thrilled with their 2-2 record after 4 games when they averaged passing the ball 33 times per game.
In the next 12 games, they averaged 22.6 passes per game, and in games 14 and 15, they saw that they were heading in the wrong direction again.

Playoffs?
Round 1 - 21 passes
Round 2 - 20 passes
NFC title - 28 passes
Super Bowl - 22 passes, 7 to RB -------this is much more reminiscent of the 90's Cowboys and how little Aikman was required to pass per game than today's pass happy NFL.

I was also a little shocked by the note shared on their OL. I knew they were the best, but the biggest ever? Averaging 6'6" and 338 lbs? Yeah, that helps.
Meanwhile, despite McCarthy's verbal desire to run more, we have had an offense under McCarthy that has been pass happy.

Dak's career
Garrett 1- 16 games, 28.69 attempts per game as a rookie
Garrett 2- 16 games, 30.63 attempts per game
Garrett 3- 16 games, 32.88 attempts per game
Garrett 4- 16 games, 37.25 attempts per game.....more and more passing during Zeke's prime
McCarthy 5- 5 games, 44.4 attempts per game prior to injury
McCarthy 6- 16 games, 37.31 attempts per game
McCarthy 7- 12 games, 32.83 attempts per game
McCarthy 8- 17 games, 34.71 attempts per game
McCarthy 9- 8 games, 35.75 attempts per game prior to injury

5 trips to the playoffs in 9 years
year 1 - 1 game, 38 pass attempts
year 2 - 2 games, 65 pass attempts
year 3 - 1 game, 43 pass attempts
year 4 - 2 games, 70 pass attempts
year 5 - 1 game, 60 pass attempts

7 games, 91.8 passer rating, 14 TDs, 7 INTs.....2-5 record, but 39.4 passing attempts per game

First, we all know Dak Prescott was not drafted in the 4th round due to his elite passing skills; he worked hard and improved his processing, passing, accuracy, etc, and he IS an above average QB in the NFL, but not a guy who should be throwing the ball at the exorbitant rates he has had every season since his rookie year.

Second, we all know that this is not the recipe for winning tough football games in the playoffs no matter who your QB is. No, we don't have the Eagles OL, nor their RB, but they handed Barkley the ball 25 times for only 57 yards and no scores because 1) they did not want their QB passing the ball 30+ times; and 2) they wanted KC in there preparing for the run every down in order to get their guys open in the secondary.

Whether you think our QB is above average or below average or you're a true homer who wants to believe he's elite, you have to admit that we've done him no favors over his 9 seasons asking him to throw the ball so many times per game, especially in so many seasons when we have had only 1 significant receiver.

Maybe Schottenhiemer won't be the guy who gets us over the hump, but if he can get us focused on being a tougher team, a team that can run the ball and play defense up the middle, it will be a step in the right direction.....because these stats over the past 9 seasons (and probably throughout Romo's career if someone wants to look into it) are not the recipe for success with any team, any QB, any defense.
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Good info and research. Thank you, it’s appreciated.
 
We already knew what the problem was. It is getting the numbskulls in management to understand. Even some of the players act like they have blinders on their faces.
 
Chuck 54 said:
More importantly, what did we learn about ourselves and about what it takes to win in the NFC and Super Bowl.

The Eagles won the Super Bowl against a very good Chiefs defense that was able to shut down Saquan Barkley (25 carries for 57 yards and no TDs, and they only attempted 22 passes, 7 of those were to the RB, so only 15 passes directed towards the TEs or WRs. When is the last time a team won the SB with so little passing?
It didn't matter than they were getting nothing out of the run game; they leaned on their defense and still ran the ball more times than they passed it.

All those seemingly meaningless handoffs to Barkley made the Chiefs focus on the run game, and that gave Hurts 1) good protection and 2) good receivers running open all over the field.

What did the Eagles learn as their season rolled along? You tell me. Here are their passing attempts across 16 games.
  1. 34
  2. 30 - L
  3. 38
  4. 30 - L
  5. 25
  6. 14
  7. 20
  8. 24
  9. 20
  10. 28
  11. 22
  12. 19
  13. 21
  14. 32
  15. 28 - L
  16. 19
I'm not including game 17 because they played their 3rd string QB in a meaningless game with backups and let him throw the ball 41 times....haha.
It's obvious they were not thrilled with their 2-2 record after 4 games when they averaged passing the ball 33 times per game.
In the next 12 games, they averaged 22.6 passes per game, and in games 14 and 15, they saw that they were heading in the wrong direction again.

Playoffs?
Round 1 - 21 passes
Round 2 - 20 passes
NFC title - 28 passes
Super Bowl - 22 passes, 7 to RB -------this is much more reminiscent of the 90's Cowboys and how little Aikman was required to pass per game than today's pass happy NFL.

I was also a little shocked by the note shared on their OL. I knew they were the best, but the biggest ever? Averaging 6'6" and 338 lbs? Yeah, that helps.
Meanwhile, despite McCarthy's verbal desire to run more, we have had an offense under McCarthy that has been pass happy.

Dak's career
Garrett 1- 16 games, 28.69 attempts per game as a rookie
Garrett 2- 16 games, 30.63 attempts per game
Garrett 3- 16 games, 32.88 attempts per game
Garrett 4- 16 games, 37.25 attempts per game.....more and more passing during Zeke's prime
McCarthy 5- 5 games, 44.4 attempts per game prior to injury
McCarthy 6- 16 games, 37.31 attempts per game
McCarthy 7- 12 games, 32.83 attempts per game
McCarthy 8- 17 games, 34.71 attempts per game
McCarthy 9- 8 games, 35.75 attempts per game prior to injury

5 trips to the playoffs in 9 years
year 1 - 1 game, 38 pass attempts
year 2 - 2 games, 65 pass attempts
year 3 - 1 game, 43 pass attempts
year 4 - 2 games, 70 pass attempts
year 5 - 1 game, 60 pass attempts

7 games, 91.8 passer rating, 14 TDs, 7 INTs.....2-5 record, but 39.4 passing attempts per game

First, we all know Dak Prescott was not drafted in the 4th round due to his elite passing skills; he worked hard and improved his processing, passing, accuracy, etc, and he IS an above average QB in the NFL, but not a guy who should be throwing the ball at the exorbitant rates he has had every season since his rookie year.

Second, we all know that this is not the recipe for winning tough football games in the playoffs no matter who your QB is. No, we don't have the Eagles OL, nor their RB, but they handed Barkley the ball 25 times for only 57 yards and no scores because 1) they did not want their QB passing the ball 30+ times; and 2) they wanted KC in there preparing for the run every down in order to get their guys open in the secondary.

Whether you think our QB is above average or below average or you're a true homer who wants to believe he's elite, you have to admit that we've done him no favors over his 9 seasons asking him to throw the ball so many times per game, especially in so many seasons when we have had only 1 significant receiver.

Maybe Schottenhiemer won't be the guy who gets us over the hump, but if he can get us focused on being a tougher team, a team that can run the ball and play defense up the middle, it will be a step in the right direction.....because these stats over the past 9 seasons (and probably throughout Romo's career if someone wants to look into it) are not the recipe for success with any team, any QB, any defense.
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Good write up and thoughts...

You made me look...

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_att_per_g_career.htm
 
Chuck 54 said:
More importantly, what did we learn about ourselves and about what it takes to win in the NFC and Super Bowl.

The Eagles won the Super Bowl against a very good Chiefs defense that was able to shut down Saquan Barkley (25 carries for 57 yards and no TDs, and they only attempted 22 passes, 7 of those were to the RB, so only 15 passes directed towards the TEs or WRs. When is the last time a team won the SB with so little passing?
It didn't matter than they were getting nothing out of the run game; they leaned on their defense and still ran the ball more times than they passed it.

All those seemingly meaningless handoffs to Barkley made the Chiefs focus on the run game, and that gave Hurts 1) good protection and 2) good receivers running open all over the field.

What did the Eagles learn as their season rolled along? You tell me. Here are their passing attempts across 16 games.
  1. 34
  2. 30 - L
  3. 38
  4. 30 - L
  5. 25
  6. 14
  7. 20
  8. 24
  9. 20
  10. 28
  11. 22
  12. 19
  13. 21
  14. 32
  15. 28 - L
  16. 19
I'm not including game 17 because they played their 3rd string QB in a meaningless game with backups and let him throw the ball 41 times....haha.
It's obvious they were not thrilled with their 2-2 record after 4 games when they averaged passing the ball 33 times per game.
In the next 12 games, they averaged 22.6 passes per game, and in games 14 and 15, they saw that they were heading in the wrong direction again.

Playoffs?
Round 1 - 21 passes
Round 2 - 20 passes
NFC title - 28 passes
Super Bowl - 22 passes, 7 to RB -------this is much more reminiscent of the 90's Cowboys and how little Aikman was required to pass per game than today's pass happy NFL.

I was also a little shocked by the note shared on their OL. I knew they were the best, but the biggest ever? Averaging 6'6" and 338 lbs? Yeah, that helps.
Meanwhile, despite McCarthy's verbal desire to run more, we have had an offense under McCarthy that has been pass happy.

Dak's career
Garrett 1- 16 games, 28.69 attempts per game as a rookie
Garrett 2- 16 games, 30.63 attempts per game
Garrett 3- 16 games, 32.88 attempts per game
Garrett 4- 16 games, 37.25 attempts per game.....more and more passing during Zeke's prime
McCarthy 5- 5 games, 44.4 attempts per game prior to injury
McCarthy 6- 16 games, 37.31 attempts per game
McCarthy 7- 12 games, 32.83 attempts per game
McCarthy 8- 17 games, 34.71 attempts per game
McCarthy 9- 8 games, 35.75 attempts per game prior to injury

5 trips to the playoffs in 9 years
year 1 - 1 game, 38 pass attempts
year 2 - 2 games, 65 pass attempts
year 3 - 1 game, 43 pass attempts
year 4 - 2 games, 70 pass attempts
year 5 - 1 game, 60 pass attempts

7 games, 91.8 passer rating, 14 TDs, 7 INTs.....2-5 record, but 39.4 passing attempts per game

First, we all know Dak Prescott was not drafted in the 4th round due to his elite passing skills; he worked hard and improved his processing, passing, accuracy, etc, and he IS an above average QB in the NFL, but not a guy who should be throwing the ball at the exorbitant rates he has had every season since his rookie year.

Second, we all know that this is not the recipe for winning tough football games in the playoffs no matter who your QB is. No, we don't have the Eagles OL, nor their RB, but they handed Barkley the ball 25 times for only 57 yards and no scores because 1) they did not want their QB passing the ball 30+ times; and 2) they wanted KC in there preparing for the run every down in order to get their guys open in the secondary.

Whether you think our QB is above average or below average or you're a true homer who wants to believe he's elite, you have to admit that we've done him no favors over his 9 seasons asking him to throw the ball so many times per game, especially in so many seasons when we have had only 1 significant receiver.

Maybe Schottenhiemer won't be the guy who gets us over the hump, but if he can get us focused on being a tougher team, a team that can run the ball and play defense up the middle, it will be a step in the right direction.....because these stats over the past 9 seasons (and probably throughout Romo's career if someone wants to look into it) are not the recipe for success with any team, any QB, any defense.
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You put a lot of work into your post and i appreciate that.

What makes me feel tired is that your post is just a decalcomenia picture of the last decades: a try to prove a narrative that wants to give hope for the future. By trying to reduce our problems to one main thing that is then easy to solve. Thats so typical JJ.

The narrativ that media and our bum of an QB establishes in the last few days is that: We need a good RB/better running game and thats what is missing to be successful.

And that is the same rubbish as we experience every year. We lose, later JJ comes up with some crap as a solution. Everybody jumps at it.

Then good and humble fans like you eat it and finally try to convince us all. They even put in a lot of work to prove a narrative an idiot just put out there to silence the lambs.

Please.

Thus team doesnt lacks a good RB. Of course a great back always helps. But thats not one of our Main problems we have. And its not the reason the Eagle won the SB.

The Eagles are a great offense. They have a good QB, top notch WRs from their #1 to #3. They have a young and NFL best offensive line. They ha e a very good TE and a generational RB.

Whats more their are well coached. From HC to the offensive playcaller.

This team doesnt throw as much just because their QB cant do it or because their running game is so great. This is an offensive jughernaut that is not stippable for pther defenses. They can chose how to beat you and they chose the most safe way. Hurts showed in the first drive with his 4th down beauty to AJ Brown that he can beat you easily with the pass. And the Chiefs defense is no joke. In fact this season is was the main reason the Chiefs wete able to compete. The Eagles made them look like kids.

Our team has so serious problems this cant be öayed down in a small post. From management to scounting, from coaching, salary management to player Selektion. We are bad everywhere. No average. This shows in the Rankings of franchises. It does not show in one or two seasons. Such incompetence on important levels shows over longer timespan.

We wont change anything by dragting or signing a great back. We had a very good one when wr also had a great OL and a QB who was in his "prime" compared to now. What did we do? As of today: beat the nad teams and got destriyed by the good ones. And please dont start now we didnt have no defense. We now have none either, so why argue with an new RB that is the solution to all of our problems.
 
Chuck 54 said:
More importantly, what did we learn about ourselves and about what it takes to win in the NFC and Super Bowl.

The Eagles won the Super Bowl against a very good Chiefs defense that was able to shut down Saquan Barkley (25 carries for 57 yards and no TDs, and they only attempted 22 passes, 7 of those were to the RB, so only 15 passes directed towards the TEs or WRs. When is the last time a team won the SB with so little passing?
It didn't matter than they were getting nothing out of the run game; they leaned on their defense and still ran the ball more times than they passed it.

All those seemingly meaningless handoffs to Barkley made the Chiefs focus on the run game, and that gave Hurts 1) good protection and 2) good receivers running open all over the field.

What did the Eagles learn as their season rolled along? You tell me. Here are their passing attempts across 16 games.
  1. 34
  2. 30 - L
  3. 38
  4. 30 - L
  5. 25
  6. 14
  7. 20
  8. 24
  9. 20
  10. 28
  11. 22
  12. 19
  13. 21
  14. 32
  15. 28 - L
  16. 19
I'm not including game 17 because they played their 3rd string QB in a meaningless game with backups and let him throw the ball 41 times....haha.
It's obvious they were not thrilled with their 2-2 record after 4 games when they averaged passing the ball 33 times per game.
In the next 12 games, they averaged 22.6 passes per game, and in games 14 and 15, they saw that they were heading in the wrong direction again.

Playoffs?
Round 1 - 21 passes
Round 2 - 20 passes
NFC title - 28 passes
Super Bowl - 22 passes, 7 to RB -------this is much more reminiscent of the 90's Cowboys and how little Aikman was required to pass per game than today's pass happy NFL.

I was also a little shocked by the note shared on their OL. I knew they were the best, but the biggest ever? Averaging 6'6" and 338 lbs? Yeah, that helps.
Meanwhile, despite McCarthy's verbal desire to run more, we have had an offense under McCarthy that has been pass happy.

Dak's career
Garrett 1- 16 games, 28.69 attempts per game as a rookie
Garrett 2- 16 games, 30.63 attempts per game
Garrett 3- 16 games, 32.88 attempts per game
Garrett 4- 16 games, 37.25 attempts per game.....more and more passing during Zeke's prime
McCarthy 5- 5 games, 44.4 attempts per game prior to injury
McCarthy 6- 16 games, 37.31 attempts per game
McCarthy 7- 12 games, 32.83 attempts per game
McCarthy 8- 17 games, 34.71 attempts per game
McCarthy 9- 8 games, 35.75 attempts per game prior to injury

5 trips to the playoffs in 9 years
year 1 - 1 game, 38 pass attempts
year 2 - 2 games, 65 pass attempts
year 3 - 1 game, 43 pass attempts
year 4 - 2 games, 70 pass attempts
year 5 - 1 game, 60 pass attempts

7 games, 91.8 passer rating, 14 TDs, 7 INTs.....2-5 record, but 39.4 passing attempts per game

First, we all know Dak Prescott was not drafted in the 4th round due to his elite passing skills; he worked hard and improved his processing, passing, accuracy, etc, and he IS an above average QB in the NFL, but not a guy who should be throwing the ball at the exorbitant rates he has had every season since his rookie year.

Second, we all know that this is not the recipe for winning tough football games in the playoffs no matter who your QB is. No, we don't have the Eagles OL, nor their RB, but they handed Barkley the ball 25 times for only 57 yards and no scores because 1) they did not want their QB passing the ball 30+ times; and 2) they wanted KC in there preparing for the run every down in order to get their guys open in the secondary.

Whether you think our QB is above average or below average or you're a true homer who wants to believe he's elite, you have to admit that we've done him no favors over his 9 seasons asking him to throw the ball so many times per game, especially in so many seasons when we have had only 1 significant receiver.

Maybe Schottenhiemer won't be the guy who gets us over the hump, but if he can get us focused on being a tougher team, a team that can run the ball and play defense up the middle, it will be a step in the right direction.....because these stats over the past 9 seasons (and probably throughout Romo's career if someone wants to look into it) are not the recipe for success with any team, any QB, any defense.
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Good post ! I have long thought that 40+ passes a game will get more losses than wins.
Also have to have a good consistent run game.

I agree with most of what you posted. Dak has had to pass too much only had a good run game in 2016.

I need to watch the SB again, but it seemed that KC gave up on running early, and that isnt good, behind or not.

I will say that hurts played a great game in SB, he did everything right, and his passes were on target.
Their OL and DL played great also, I also didnt know the OL was so big lol, that is similar to the 90's dallas OL.

KC's whole game plan must have been to stop barclay, and they thought they would win easily.
But surprise hurts will run effectively (mahomes didnt at all) and hurts was vg passing.

Then their defense shut KC down the first half, they were 0-8 on 3rd downs lol, and didnt cross the 50 !!!

So my point is having all that helps to be able to pass only say 25-30 times a game.
 
Offensively, Dallas had the right gameplan in 2014. Run to set up the pass. Romo had a great year, the offensive line was nearing 90's status and when defenses would overload to stop Murray, we would play action or just run it down their throats.
Defensively, the team was trash. Had Dallas had even the 2018 defense, I think they go to the superbowl.

I don't think you need a bellcow to win. Eagles built up elite trenches on both sides of the ball. They upgraded over Swift and that paid dividends but as long as they had a good RB they were going to win a lot of games.
The Chiefs had a hole at LT, which they tried to patch with their LG, making the left side vulnerable vs an elite front 4. Eagles took advantage of that, and similar to the Bucs 4 years ago, once you hit Mahomes he turns human.
 
kskboys said:
We learned that you don't have to have a top tier QB. You need one who can move the ball consistently and you need a front 4 on D that disrupts the opposing QB. Everything else is optional.
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But you DO need a QB that shines in the biggest moments. Say what you will about Hurts, but when it comes to the SB, he's now outplayed Patrick Mahomes in two Superbowls.

Mahomes was pretty good in their 1st SB matchup...but Hurta clearly was the best player on the field that night, on a night when the Chiefs oLine played a decent amount better than philly's olIne.

In the rematch...Hurts wasn't quite as good as he was in the previous SB, but he was a good deal better than Mahomes (but I think you gotta give Mahomes a pass on this one...he simply had no chance)

He's just a big-game performer, with a will to win that trumps his ability
 
Things I re-learned:
1) Coaching is still important -- making sure the right people are doing the right job and held responsible for it. Any of ### players could have played xxx and won for the egirls. (Because the coaches made the right decisions and attacked the right weaknesses)
2) Talent wins -- when you put that much talent on a team, it make it massively easier.
3) Offense still sells tickets, and defense wins championships. Trenches win, but skill players sell jerseys.
4) If your front 7 can stop the run, and you can get pressure with your front 4 --- you are always at an advantage.
5) Luck still plays into the game, even if that luck is generated by officiating, league pressure, gambling, or just preparation meeting opportunity.
6) Many people still ignore facts and think that rushing doesn't still control the clock and the game today. They think it is a passing league only. It is still a rushing league, at least come playoff time.
 
John813 said:
Offensively, Dallas had the right gameplan in 2014. Run to set up the pass. Romo had a great year, the offensive line was nearing 90's status and when defenses would overload to stop Murray, we would play action or just run it down their throats.
Defensively, the team was trash. Had Dallas had even the 2018 defense, I think they go to the superbowl.

I don't think you need a bellcow to win. Eagles built up elite trenches on both sides of the ball. They upgraded over Swift and that paid dividends but as long as they had a good RB they were going to win a lot of games.
The Chiefs had a hole at LT, which they tried to patch with their LG, making the left side vulnerable vs an elite front 4. Eagles took advantage of that, and similar to the Bucs 4 years ago, once you hit Mahomes he turns human.
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And that's exactly what would happen if we foolishly move Tyler to OLT.
 
KingCorcoran said:
What is “a top tier QB”? Stafford, Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Love, Prescott, Lawrence, Goff. Only Mahomes and Jackson have a higher win percentage as a starting quarterback than Hurts. Only Mahomes and Burrow have a higher winning percentage in playoff games than Hurts. Only Mahomes has won more and been in more Super Bowls than Hurts. Those ten quarterbacks’ collective win/loss record vs. Hurts as opposing starting quarterback is 5-14. Except for Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts is the best quarterback in the NFL today. Incredibly the only two paid less per season than Hurts are Stafford and Mahomes.
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Hurts is not close to the best QB in the NFL today. He's maybe 5th or 6th. What Hurts has is an absolutely loaded team w/ the best D in the NFL. You are mistaking a great team for a great QB. Hurts is good, not great. Kinda like Eli and Flacco.

Right now, the top tier QBs are Mahomes and Burrow and maybe Josh Allen. Daniels is knocking on the door, thought it'll be a short career if he keeps on crashing into players.

Don't mistake team success for individual ranking. There were actually people trying to claim Eli was better than Payton after Eli's 2nd super bowl win. I mean, that is just so stupid it should never have been said.
 
StarOfGlory said:
Well, a good o-line is not optional as well. I think you'd agree with that.
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Yup. Only bad OL I've seen win the super bowl was PITT vs ARI, and that was so ref aided you can almost discount it. Rothy failed on 4th down and was bailed out by a very very poor roughing call. Horrific call.
 
Blackrain said:
We learned the basic most important thing about football their owner wanted to win the Super bowl more than anyone else.
We learned their owner was smart enough to employ a man who knew how to build a team to get that job done.

If you were paying attention back then you also saw their owner make a mistake hiring Chip Kelly admit his mistake and put the man that built this team back in charge something our owner would never do admit that he had made a mistake and someone else could do the job better.

We learned that the basics of football still matter that many times might makes right. As we saw the eagles scour the planet for the most giant powerful men to man their offensive line.
A line that boasted the biggest men ever to play in a Super bowl together.
We learned that the right moves in free agency can take you over the top.
We saw the eagles in a situation similar to ours where they paid Carson Wentz like we have paid DAk then realize their mistake and drafted Jalen hurts.

We learned the best teams make mistakes too but are not too prideful to fix them. Part of the reason why they've been in the Super bowl and won it and we watch it.
We have also learned after watching them that they should be a powerhouse for a while to come and we need to retool to compete
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Excellent post, my man
 
Chuck 54 said:
More importantly, what did we learn about ourselves and about what it takes to win in the NFC and Super Bowl.

The Eagles won the Super Bowl against a very good Chiefs defense that was able to shut down Saquan Barkley (25 carries for 57 yards and no TDs, and they only attempted 22 passes, 7 of those were to the RB, so only 15 passes directed towards the TEs or WRs. When is the last time a team won the SB with so little passing?
It didn't matter than they were getting nothing out of the run game; they leaned on their defense and still ran the ball more times than they passed it.

All those seemingly meaningless handoffs to Barkley made the Chiefs focus on the run game, and that gave Hurts 1) good protection and 2) good receivers running open all over the field.

What did the Eagles learn as their season rolled along? You tell me. Here are their passing attempts across 16 games.
  1. 34
  2. 30 - L
  3. 38
  4. 30 - L
  5. 25
  6. 14
  7. 20
  8. 24
  9. 20
  10. 28
  11. 22
  12. 19
  13. 21
  14. 32
  15. 28 - L
  16. 19
I'm not including game 17 because they played their 3rd string QB in a meaningless game with backups and let him throw the ball 41 times....haha.
It's obvious they were not thrilled with their 2-2 record after 4 games when they averaged passing the ball 33 times per game.
In the next 12 games, they averaged 22.6 passes per game, and in games 14 and 15, they saw that they were heading in the wrong direction again.

Playoffs?
Round 1 - 21 passes
Round 2 - 20 passes
NFC title - 28 passes
Super Bowl - 22 passes, 7 to RB -------this is much more reminiscent of the 90's Cowboys and how little Aikman was required to pass per game than today's pass happy NFL.

I was also a little shocked by the note shared on their OL. I knew they were the best, but the biggest ever? Averaging 6'6" and 338 lbs? Yeah, that helps.
Meanwhile, despite McCarthy's verbal desire to run more, we have had an offense under McCarthy that has been pass happy.

Dak's career
Garrett 1- 16 games, 28.69 attempts per game as a rookie
Garrett 2- 16 games, 30.63 attempts per game
Garrett 3- 16 games, 32.88 attempts per game
Garrett 4- 16 games, 37.25 attempts per game.....more and more passing during Zeke's prime
McCarthy 5- 5 games, 44.4 attempts per game prior to injury
McCarthy 6- 16 games, 37.31 attempts per game
McCarthy 7- 12 games, 32.83 attempts per game
McCarthy 8- 17 games, 34.71 attempts per game
McCarthy 9- 8 games, 35.75 attempts per game prior to injury

5 trips to the playoffs in 9 years
year 1 - 1 game, 38 pass attempts
year 2 - 2 games, 65 pass attempts
year 3 - 1 game, 43 pass attempts
year 4 - 2 games, 70 pass attempts
year 5 - 1 game, 60 pass attempts

7 games, 91.8 passer rating, 14 TDs, 7 INTs.....2-5 record, but 39.4 passing attempts per game

First, we all know Dak Prescott was not drafted in the 4th round due to his elite passing skills; he worked hard and improved his processing, passing, accuracy, etc, and he IS an above average QB in the NFL, but not a guy who should be throwing the ball at the exorbitant rates he has had every season since his rookie year.

Second, we all know that this is not the recipe for winning tough football games in the playoffs no matter who your QB is. No, we don't have the Eagles OL, nor their RB, but they handed Barkley the ball 25 times for only 57 yards and no scores because 1) they did not want their QB passing the ball 30+ times; and 2) they wanted KC in there preparing for the run every down in order to get their guys open in the secondary.

Whether you think our QB is above average or below average or you're a true homer who wants to believe he's elite, you have to admit that we've done him no favors over his 9 seasons asking him to throw the ball so many times per game, especially in so many seasons when we have had only 1 significant receiver.

Maybe Schottenhiemer won't be the guy who gets us over the hump, but if he can get us focused on being a tougher team, a team that can run the ball and play defense up the middle, it will be a step in the right direction.....because these stats over the past 9 seasons (and probably throughout Romo's career if someone wants to look into it) are not the recipe for success with any team, any QB, any defense.
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Hurts running made some big plays. Combine that with his efficiency passing and there is the formula for MVP success added to great defense.
 
kskboys said:
Hurts is not close to the best QB in the NFL today. He's maybe 5th or 6th. What Hurts has is an absolutely loaded team w/ the best D in the NFL. You are mistaking a great team for a great QB. Hurts is good, not great. Kinda like Eli and Flacco.

Right now, the top tier QBs are Mahomes and Burrow and maybe Josh Allen. Daniels is knocking on the door, thought it'll be a short career if he keeps on crashing into players.

Don't mistake team success for individual ranking. There were actually people trying to claim Eli was better than Payton after Eli's 2nd super bowl win. I mean, that is just so stupid it should never have been said.
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The only point of selecting and subsequently signing a quarterback to a significant contract is to lead your team to a Super Bowl victory. 5,000 passing yards is the result of an entire offense executing well. 50 touchdown passes in a season, the same. All the great statistics require a talented quarterback and “a great team”. Getting your team to the Super Bowl multiple times requires a great quarterback and a great team. Hurts is not as talented as Allen or Burrow or Jackson. And he’s not paid as much as they are. He is, as he has already proven, a better quarterback.
 
Defense wins championships.

Build from the trenches out.

but hey, Jeanty will sell tickets.
 
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