What Did We Learn About the Eagles?

Chasing6 said:
No not really. All touches are not equal.
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I understand that, but we are talking about nearly 500 touches. That’s 2+ seasons for most backs. Let’s not act like he never got hit hard… He did several times.

Look… I would love to pretend that it’s nothing and that he’ll do the same thing next year. Damn near 5 decades of watching the NFL tells me that’s not likely.
 
mcmvp said:
True…but they rode him hard this year. He’s now 28. It wouldn’t surprise me if they targeted another RB in the top 3 rounds this draft. They will have to lighten his load going forward
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They picked one in the 4th round last year.
 
mcmvp said:
I understand that, but we are talking about nearly 500 touches. That’s 2+ seasons for most backs. Let’s not act like he never got hit hard… He did several times.

Look… I would love to pretend that it’s nothing and that he’ll do the same thing next year. Damn near 5 decades of watching the NFL tells me that’s not likely.
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With that OLine, I would not be surprised for him to get another 800 without being touched.

At some point defenses will just play 8 in the box and Hurts will have a great year, but don't be fooled that it is Hurts himself.

It is too bad we don't understand complimentary football and have a GM who wants to pay people the highest and expect them to do it all by themselves. Then he acts surprised when it fails.
 
Chasing6 said:
With that OLine, I would not be surprised for him to get another 800 without being touched.

At some point defenses will just play 8 in the box and Hurts will have a great year, but don't be fooled that it is Hurts himself.

It is too bad we don't understand complimentary football and have a GM who wants to pay people the highest and expect them to do it all by themselves. Then he acts surprised when it fails.
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K.C. played eight in the box almost the entire Super Bowl. Didn't work out well for them, lol.
 
StarOfGlory said:
K.C. played eight in the box almost the entire Super Bowl. Didn't work out well for them, lol.
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If you have a good running back where the defense HAS to play HIM to run, with a competent QB and receivers you should have a great day.

Here is the thing though... if your defense can hold your opponent from scoring, sooner or later you're going to abandon the run game.

Watching this last superbowl, I was certain KC would make adjustments coming out after halftime, and most likely score on their next possession which was their kickoff to return. KC didn't sore their first points until the end of the 3rd quarter, and they didn't score two garbage TD's until the last 3 minutes in the game.

The dagger wasn't hurts to Smith for the TD in the second half, the dagger was holding KC's first score right at the end of the third quarter along with the points scored by turnovers caused by the philly defense IMO
 
DZSierra said:
If you have a good running back where the defense HAS to play HIM to run, with a competent QB and receivers you should have a great day.

Here is the thing though... if your defense can hold your opponent from scoring, sooner or later you're going to abandon the run game.

Watching this last superbowl, I was certain KC would make adjustments coming out after halftime, and most likely score on their next possession which was their kickoff to return. KC didn't sore their first points until the end of the 3rd quarter, and they didn't score two garbage TD's until the last 3 minutes in the game.

The dagger wasn't hurts to Smith for the TD in the second half, the dagger was holding KC's first score right at the end of the third quarter along with the points scored by turnovers caused by the philly defense IMO
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Andy Reid had a bad coaching day.

Best thing about that Smith TD is we now find out that was Sirianni telling Moore to go for score on that play.
 
DZSierra said:
If you have a good running back where the defense HAS to play HIM to run, with a competent QB and receivers you should have a great day.

Here is the thing though... if your defense can hold your opponent from scoring, sooner or later you're going to abandon the run game.

Watching this last superbowl, I was certain KC would make adjustments coming out after halftime, and most likely score on their next possession which was their kickoff to return. KC didn't sore their first points until the end of the 3rd quarter, and they didn't score two garbage TD's until the last 3 minutes in the game.

The dagger wasn't hurts to Smith for the TD in the second half, the dagger was holding KC's first score right at the end of the third quarter along with the points scored by turnovers caused by the philly defense IMO
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100%. That game was won by D, plain and simple. O was good too, don't get me wrong, but the D held KC to 0 points in the first half.
 
kskboys said:
Very poor D plan.

This genius Reid suddenly didn't look so genius anymore. Goes to show, talent still trumps all.
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I was surprised with his plan as well. I could see the commitment to slowing down the run, but all the blitzing leaving WR's 1 on 1 was a mistake.

Just goes to show what his thoughts were of Hurts.
 
Chasing6 said:
I was surprised with his plan as well. I could see the commitment to slowing down the run, but all the blitzing leaving WR's 1 on 1 was a mistake.

Just goes to show what his thoughts were of Hurts.
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Quite mundane. And that O he threw at them, horrid. I could've told him before the game that it wouldn't work. Chiefs absolutely had to slow down that pass rush, timing routes and short/middle stuff. And tell Mahomes that his little dance act just wasn't going to work w/ a team that has a Dfront like Philly.
 
Chuck 54 said:
More importantly, what did we learn about ourselves and about what it takes to win in the NFC and Super Bowl.

The Eagles won the Super Bowl against a very good Chiefs defense that was able to shut down Saquan Barkley (25 carries for 57 yards and no TDs, and they only attempted 22 passes, 7 of those were to the RB, so only 15 passes directed towards the TEs or WRs. When is the last time a team won the SB with so little passing?
It didn't matter than they were getting nothing out of the run game; they leaned on their defense and still ran the ball more times than they passed it.

All those seemingly meaningless handoffs to Barkley made the Chiefs focus on the run game, and that gave Hurts 1) good protection and 2) good receivers running open all over the field.

What did the Eagles learn as their season rolled along? You tell me. Here are their passing attempts across 16 games.
  1. 34
  2. 30 - L
  3. 38
  4. 30 - L
  5. 25
  6. 14
  7. 20
  8. 24
  9. 20
  10. 28
  11. 22
  12. 19
  13. 21
  14. 32
  15. 28 - L
  16. 19
I'm not including game 17 because they played their 3rd string QB in a meaningless game with backups and let him throw the ball 41 times....haha.
It's obvious they were not thrilled with their 2-2 record after 4 games when they averaged passing the ball 33 times per game.
In the next 12 games, they averaged 22.6 passes per game, and in games 14 and 15, they saw that they were heading in the wrong direction again.

Playoffs?
Round 1 - 21 passes
Round 2 - 20 passes
NFC title - 28 passes
Super Bowl - 22 passes, 7 to RB -------this is much more reminiscent of the 90's Cowboys and how little Aikman was required to pass per game than today's pass happy NFL.

I was also a little shocked by the note shared on their OL. I knew they were the best, but the biggest ever? Averaging 6'6" and 338 lbs? Yeah, that helps.
Meanwhile, despite McCarthy's verbal desire to run more, we have had an offense under McCarthy that has been pass happy.

Dak's career
Garrett 1- 16 games, 28.69 attempts per game as a rookie
Garrett 2- 16 games, 30.63 attempts per game
Garrett 3- 16 games, 32.88 attempts per game
Garrett 4- 16 games, 37.25 attempts per game.....more and more passing during Zeke's prime
McCarthy 5- 5 games, 44.4 attempts per game prior to injury
McCarthy 6- 16 games, 37.31 attempts per game
McCarthy 7- 12 games, 32.83 attempts per game
McCarthy 8- 17 games, 34.71 attempts per game
McCarthy 9- 8 games, 35.75 attempts per game prior to injury

5 trips to the playoffs in 9 years
year 1 - 1 game, 38 pass attempts
year 2 - 2 games, 65 pass attempts
year 3 - 1 game, 43 pass attempts
year 4 - 2 games, 70 pass attempts
year 5 - 1 game, 60 pass attempts

7 games, 91.8 passer rating, 14 TDs, 7 INTs.....2-5 record, but 39.4 passing attempts per game

First, we all know Dak Prescott was not drafted in the 4th round due to his elite passing skills; he worked hard and improved his processing, passing, accuracy, etc, and he IS an above average QB in the NFL, but not a guy who should be throwing the ball at the exorbitant rates he has had every season since his rookie year.

Second, we all know that this is not the recipe for winning tough football games in the playoffs no matter who your QB is. No, we don't have the Eagles OL, nor their RB, but they handed Barkley the ball 25 times for only 57 yards and no scores because 1) they did not want their QB passing the ball 30+ times; and 2) they wanted KC in there preparing for the run every down in order to get their guys open in the secondary.

Whether you think our QB is above average or below average or you're a true homer who wants to believe he's elite, you have to admit that we've done him no favors over his 9 seasons asking him to throw the ball so many times per game, especially in so many seasons when we have had only 1 significant receiver.

Maybe Schottenhiemer won't be the guy who gets us over the hump, but if he can get us focused on being a tougher team, a team that can run the ball and play defense up the middle, it will be a step in the right direction.....because these stats over the past 9 seasons (and probably throughout Romo's career if someone wants to look into it) are not the recipe for success with any team, any QB, any defense.
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The Eagles have an elite GM and an owner that stays out of the way. We on the other hand …
 
ArtClink said:
The Eagles have an elite GM and an owner that stays out of the way. We on the other hand …
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Exactly. The FO is the most important position, aspect or whatever you want to call it in football. If your FO , especially your GM knows what he is doing, you will have sustained success.
 
I noticed they don’t have narcissistic senile snake oil salesmen masquerading as a general manager and a quarterback who craps the bed
 
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