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Bob Sacamano;3435725 said:
That's the best advice in this thread. If you feel the cop is wrong, present the evidence when you go to court, or challenge the cop on the stand.

I don't think there's ever been an instance where someone was able to get the cop out of writing a citation. I don't know why these 2 kids thought they were going to be the exception.

Best way to put a cop on the defensive is by copping an additude with him.

Put your hands on him you run a big risk of something very bad happening.

These men and woman know too well what can happen if that side arm they are carrying is taken from them they will not risk a physical encounter.

Like any other person they want to go home at the end of their shift and are trained pretty well to do just that.

However in many cases where the office has let their gaurd down they pay for it with their lives.
 

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Hoofbite;3435707 said:
Carrying a badge doesn't make someone infallible. People have every right to question authority if they believe the authority is misusing it's power.

She went about it the wrong way in scuffling for sure. Scuffling with a cop will never make anything better.

This.
 

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Hoofbite;3435707 said:
Carrying a badge doesn't make someone infallible. People have every right to question authority if they believe the authority is misusing it's power.

She went about it the wrong way in scuffling for sure. Scuffling with a cop will never make anything better.

ScipioCowboy;3435768 said:

Carrying a badge doesn't make you infallible. But it does make you someone who should be listened to and whose directives should be respected. This wasn't an issue of questioning authority. She had a physical altercation with a cop. Scuffling with a private citizen is one thing. Scuffling with a copy gets you subdued and arrested--and it should. The punch was definitely aggressive, but that probably had a lot to do with the fact that there were two people he was struggling with and he had to get control of the situation. As I said before, had the scuffling ended with somebody grabbing the cops gun, this could have been a very different story.
 

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I didn't even think people actually got ticketed for Jaywalking.

I've never known of anyone actually getting a ticket.
 

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Hoofbite;3435863 said:
I didn't even think people actually got ticketed for Jaywalking.

I've never known of anyone actually getting a ticket.

They do it here in Houston, they will go through a period where officers are told to crack down on it
 

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Doomsday101;3435867 said:
They do it here in Houston, they will go through a period where officers are told to crack down on it

They do it here in Austin as well. I have almost hit a jaywalker or two. You aren't expecting someone to be crossing busy streets and all of a sudden they pop out from the sidewalk.
 

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joseephuss;3435873 said:
They do it here in Austin as well. I have almost hit a jaywalker or two. You aren't expecting someone to be crossing busy streets and all of a sudden they pop out from the sidewalk.

I have had that happen. It was late at night and a lady with a baby stoller crossed a very dark section of the street. Thankfully I saw her in time to avoid hitting her and the child. Scary moment.
 

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joseephuss;3435873 said:
They do it here in Austin as well. I have almost hit a jaywalker or two. You aren't expecting someone to be crossing busy streets and all of a sudden they pop out from the sidewalk.

Doomsday101;3435879 said:
I have had that happen. It was late at night and a lady with a baby stoller crossed a very dark section of the street. Thankfully I saw her in time to avoid hitting her and the child. Scary moment.

This is odd. Around here, there all kinds of signs to yield to pedestrians and not just at intersections. Very annoying to the point where people think they are empowered or something.

I was driving and some cow standing on the lines in the middle of a busy street starts screaming at me about 'her right of way'. I felt like hitting her ***, if only it wouldn't have dented my car.

I wish they had jay-walking laws enforced around here.
 

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vta;3435901 said:
This is odd. Around here, there all kinds of signs to yield to pedestrians and not just at intersections. Very annoying to the point where people think they are empowered or something.

I was driving and some cow standing on the lines in the middle of a busy street starts screaming at me about 'her right of way'. I felt like hitting her ***, if only it wouldn't have dented my car.

I wish they had jay-walking laws enforced around here.


I would have told the cow to move out of the way.
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3435151 said:
I don't have speakers, so I can't hear what is said. I don't know why the women were stopped. But . . . I think it was justified. Two rather large women physically fighting a cop while a crowd gathers.

I'm a firm believer in never hitting a woman, but you have to respect police officers. They have inherintly dangerous jobs.

There isn't anything justified about a police officer punching a women in the face. If he felt he couldn't handle her he could have pepper sprayed her or used a taser. From looking at that video that officer is in serious trouble.
 

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KJJ;3435904 said:
There isn't anything justified about a police officer punching a women in the face. If he felt he couldn't handle her he could have pepper sprayed her or used a taser. From looking at that video that officer is in serious trouble.

It's immediately justified when the altercation starts. He's got an obligation to subdue her and to not let things escalate to a point where they get really dangerous.

Cops aren't on the streets to make sure every feels entitled to stand up to authority. They're not there for you to fight for your inalienable right to jaywalk. They're there to maintain order. If you fight with one of them, you're going to get clocked, or sprayed, or tasered, and it's going to be your fault.
 

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KJJ;3435904 said:
There isn't anything justified about a police officer punching a women in the face. If he felt he couldn't handle her he could have pepper sprayed her or used a taser. From looking at that video that officer is in serious trouble.

I'd rather be punched than tazed.
 

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Bob Sacamano;3435165 said:
You shouldn't put your hands on a cop period.


A cop shouldn't be punching a woman in the face regardless if she touched him. I didn't see her throw a punch she pushed him. He could have done what he did after he punched her grab her and contain her. That cop went way overboard he could have seriously injured her with that punch. He completely lost control of the situation now he's in some real hot water.
 

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KJJ;3435917 said:
A cop shouldn't be punching a woman in the face regardless if she touched him. I didn't see her throw a punch she pushed him. He could have done what he did after he punched her grab her and contain her. That cop went way overboard he could have seriously injured her with that punch. He completely lost control of the situation now he's in some real hot water.

He did his job the girl was out of control you don't go at a cop like she did period.
 

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Idgit;3435911 said:
It's immediately justified when the altercation starts. He's got an obligation to subdue her and to not let things escalate to a point where they get really dangerous.

Cops aren't on the streets to make sure every feels entitled to stand up to authority. They're not there for you to fight for your inalienable right to jaywalk. They're there to maintain order. If you fight with one of them, you're going to get clocked, or sprayed, or tasered, and it's going to be your fault.

You don't have to punch an unarmed young girl in the face to subdue them. A cop has to show some restraint in those situations. It doesn't look good for a cop to punch someone in the face simply because they touched them especially a young woman. I didn't see anything in that video to justify him punching her in the face like that. This cop may have just ruined his career and his life.
 

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Doomsday101;3435919 said:
He did his job the girl was out of control you don't go at a cop like she did period.

He could have subdued her without punching her in the face he proved that after he did it. Now he's in alot of hot water.
 

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Hoofbite;3435913 said:
I'd rather be punched than tazed.

That cop wouldn't be in the predicament he's in right now had tased her instead of punching her in the face for simply grabbing at him. It wasn't like this was some big, mean looking thug throwing punches at him. You can bet he isn't sleeping well.
 

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KJJ;3435920 said:
You don't have to punch an unarmed young girl in the face to subdue them. A cop has to show some restraint in those situations. It doesn't look good for a cop to punch someone in the face simply because they touched them especially a young woman. I didn't see anything in that video to justify him punching her in the face like that. This cop may have just ruined his career and his life.

She didn't just touch him, she pushed him. She pushed him while he was trying to do his job and subdue the other woman. I didn't see anything in that video to justify the woman pushing him or the other woman to fight being arrested. Those two ladies turned a simple jay walking citation into something bigger.
 

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KJJ;3435921 said:
He could have subdued her without punching her in the face he proved that after he did it. Now he's in alot of hot water.

He subdued someone other than the person he punched in the face, someone who was interfering. Someone who was physically touching him. He's only in hot water because some people seem to think cops are obligated to take **** ad nauseam from irrational people and maintain their 'professionalism'. The one he punched is lucky she's not been arrested (or has she been?) for one, assaulting a police officer and two interfering with his duty.
 

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KJJ;3435920 said:
...A cop has to show some restraint in those situations. It doesn't look good for a cop to punch someone in the face simply because they touched them especially a young woman. I didn't see anything in that video to justify him punching her in the face like that. This cop may have just ruined his career and his life.

That's just it, the cop doesn't and shouldn't have to show restraint. You don't attack a cop, period. Whether that's pushing or hitting, or trying to grab his weapon when he's engaged with someone else, you don't do it. Whether you're a young girl or not, you don't touch a cop. If you do, you get subdued and arrested. If that comes in the form of a punch in the face, so it goes. Next time you learn not to put your hands on a cop in anger under any circumstances.

If there are career consequences for the officer in a situation like this, it's a shame. If it were my daughter hitting the officer, I'd let her know she got what she deserved and that she'd sure as hell better handle herself more respectfully next time an officer has to stop her for something she did wrong.
 
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