What do you think of Hitchens?

[Risen Star]

RS, I just don't get your hard stance on this one. I get your value argument, but there is ALWAYS a chance that at least one other team (and that's all it takes) sees the same things you see in a player.

In Hitchens I see a guy who is at least adequate at 4 different positions as a rookie. He's a decent special teams player, and probably most importantly, he's giving meaningful snaps now. If he never improves AT ALL, it was a good 4th round pick.

He's a significant upgrade over Orie Lemon, Cam Lawrence, Caleb McSturdy, Ernie Sims, and roughly on par with Bruce Carter. He may not be a superstar, but he's not a gaping black hole on the field either.

With this team's recent 4th round history, I probably would have been happy with a reliable FG holder.

I agree he's an upgrade over those complete stiffs. I'll never agree that he's a 4th round talent. And those that do agree merely support the player because he's a Cowboy. None of his supporters liked him prior to the Cowboys drafting him. Nobody even had him drafted.

No question our 4th round history is awful. So if you want to celebrate it from that angle, feel free.

 

[Risen Star]

I don't know how long you've been here, but I'll warn you that RS hates everything related to the Cowboys including you if you're a Cowboys fan. The only thing he will like is a player that he liked before they drafted that player. He liked DLaw leading up to the draft so now, in his opinion, that's the only thing the Cowboys have done correctly.

And this shows your immaturity.

You can't stand how consistent I am. Whereas the youtube scout does a 180 depending on the Cowboys personnel decisions.

Now tell me again how I didn't like the Frederick pick. I want to see if you're capable of bold facing lying twice in one day. Maybe pick up some pointers from Idgit. He's a pro.

 

[rd26]

I don't know how long you've been here, but I'll warn you that RS hates everything related to the Cowboys including you if you're a Cowboys fan. The only thing he will like is a player that he liked before they drafted that player. He liked DLaw leading up to the draft so now, in his opinion, that's the only thing the Cowboys have done correctly.

Ive been lurking around on this board since April.

Just my take, but RS seems to love the Cowboys, but hate Jerry.

Has a very good, sarcastic sense of humor, but seems to have a fetish for beating dead horses.

In general, I enjoy reading his stuff and agree with a lot of it.

I'll have to say, as a newbie, this board has a nice mix of regular posters, RS included, and is quite welcoming to new posters. Its been my experience that Jimmy Johnson could start posting on most message boards and would be dismissed as an idiot until his post count hit 2000.

The owners and mods (as well as the posters) do a nice job imo of keeping this place interesting.

 

[rd26]

I agree he's an upgrade over those complete stiffs. I'll never agree that he's a 4th round talent. And those that do agree merely support the player because he's a Cowboy. None of his supporters liked him prior to the Cowboys drafting him. Nobody even had him drafted.

No question our 4th round history is awful. So if you want to celebrate it from that angle, feel free.

We probably just disagree on expectations for a 4th rounder.

Any player who can give you 20-30 snaps per game and at least do his job without being a liability / target on the field, and do it for 3 - 4 years on the cheap, is in my opinion a solid 4th round pick. I'm not saying that is a home run, but its my baseline.

I don't mind the occasional boom or bust pick like AOA, but we've gone to that well too often imo.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I had no idea who he was when he was drafted and was too lazy to consult YouTube so...

 

[xwalker]

Ive been lurking around on this board since April.

Just my take, but RS seems to love the Cowboys, but hate Jerry.

Has a very good, sarcastic sense of humor, but seems to have a fetish for beating dead horses.

In general, I enjoy reading his stuff and agree with a lot of it.

I'll have to say, as a newbie, this board has a nice mix of regular posters, RS included, and is quite welcoming to new posters. Its been my experience that Jimmy Johnson could start posting on most message boards and would be dismissed as an idiot until his post count hit 2000.

The owners and mods (as well as the posters) do a nice job imo of keeping this place interesting.

There are a couple of posters here that systematically go though threads and take every opportunity to rip the owner/GM, coaches, players and fans. It seems like an odd thing to do for a "Cowboys" Fan.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Ive been lurking around on this board since April.

Just my take, but RS seems to love the Cowboys, but hate Jerry.

Has a very good, sarcastic sense of humor, but seems to have a fetish for beating dead horses.

In general, I enjoy reading his stuff and agree with a lot of it.

I'll have to say, as a newbie, this board has a nice mix of regular posters, RS included, and is quite welcoming to new posters. Its been my experience that Jimmy Johnson could start posting on most message boards and would be dismissed as an idiot until his post count hit 2000.

The owners and mods (as well as the posters) do a nice job imo of keeping this place interesting.

Good post!

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Hitchens has proven with his play to at least be a 4th round value. The suggestion by Risen Star that he is a scrub should show that RS refuses to back off once he makes an assinine (or even assiten) comment.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I am sure Alexander won't see this thread until we lose again. He doesn't spend much time here when we are winning.

 

[TheDallasDon]

When he was drafted, I got in a debate with RS about him......then on I wished he would become a good player for Cowboys to add to the roster and for self serving reasons lol

I wouldn't say he's been spectacular but he's been better then alot of people thought he would and has played alot of snaps so IMO he's worth the 4th

 

[Tawney88]

When he was drafted, I got in a debate with RS about him......then on I wished he would become a good player for Cowboys to add to the roster and for self serving reasons lol

I wouldn't say he's been spectacular but he's been better then alot of people thought he would and has played alot of snaps so IMO he's worth the 4th

There are a couple of posters here that systematically go though threads and take every opportunity to rip the owner/GM, coaches, players and fans. It seems like an odd thing to do for a "Cowboys" Fan.

Great another call out thread. You and xwalker are pros at that. Calling out posters, questioning their fan hood because the have a different opinion, etc, etc.

Hitchens was a reach in the draft. He Could have been drafted in a later round. Those touting him now may have touted him on draft day but they also touted abominations like Johnson, AOA, Stanback, etc. Rubber stamping the GM moves doesn't give you any credibility in my book.

He is doing well and that is awesome for the Cowboys, but that doesn't mean it was the right choice at the time. Especially since he could have been drafted later on in the draft and you could have possibly drafted two players who could be helping this team.

 

[TheDallasDon]

Great another call out thread. You and xwalker are pros at that. Calling out posters, questioning their fan hood because the have a different opinion, etc, etc.

Hitchens was a reach in the draft. He Could have been drafted in a later round. Those touting him now may have touted him on draft day but they also touted abominations like Johnson, AOA, Stanback, etc. Rubber stamping the GM moves doesn't give you any credibility in my book.

He is doing well and that is awesome for the Cowboys, but that doesn't mean it was the right choice at the time. Especially since he could have been drafted later on in the draft and you could have possibly drafted two players who could be helping this team.

I'm known for calling people out??
Hmm somehow I think you have the wrong person......only member I've called out to my memory is Risen and not because of his views but they way he responded to me

 

[RS12]

So far I see an average player. Up one week, down the next.

 

[FLcowboy]

After 14 games, what do you guys think of him? I must say i wasn't happy with that pick during the draft, but I've changed my mind, Zack Martin has had a tremendous year as a rookie but one can argue Hitchens has been equally as important.

I agree. Hitchens has been called to play all three LB spots this year, and while he didn't excel in all three, he played the strongside well. His speed in chasing down people has impressed me. I think Martin has meant more to the teams success, but Hitchens is a player

 

[manster4ever]

I really liked the Frederick pick and thought Hitchens would be a solid backup NFL linebacker (which is good for a 4th rounder) But then again, I live in BIg Ten Country and see these kids play alot. I couldn't tell you ONE guy on here that didn't like them in April. In other words...who cares? It's a sports message board for crissakes. Some of you guys are like stalky 12 yr. old girls...lol

 

[RamziD]

I've been pretty pleased with the Hitchens pick. Especially after it was blasted, by completely ignorant people, when it was made in the first place.

Those people who thought that Dallas only drafted a back up were just flat either paying zero attention to this teams injury problems at Linebacker or they flat out were just being stupid.

Or they were like 90% of the people on this board and didn't know anything about him until they looked at his scouting reports/highlights after the pick was made. I didn't poo-poo the pick, but like a lot on here, was ambivalent. It's just funny that about 90% of the people on this board act like they knew Hitchens would be a great pick when in reality the vast majority knew very little about him at the time.

 

[Idgit]

And this shows your immaturity.

You can't stand how consistent I am. Whereas the youtube scout does a 180 depending on the Cowboys personnel decisions.

Now tell me again how I didn't like the Frederick pick. I want to see if you're capable of bold facing lying twice in one day. Maybe pick up some pointers from Idgit. He's a pro.

He didn't say you didn't like the Frederick pick. He said he thought you said it was a reach--and he said it in the context of this Hitchens thread because one is an example of a reach you were ok with and one an example of one you were not ok with. I remember, though, that you clearly liked the Frederick pick.

Unlike your continued pretense that you did not call Doug Free 'slop,' or Hatcher 'JAG,' or mock Crawford for his lack of sack production and by comparing him to your favorite whipping boy Ben Bass. All of which were, of course, completely true. And all of which you ran away from and are not pretending did not ever happen. Let me know if I ought to find the threads again, since we both know they exist. It makes it easy for me to demonstrate which of us is the 'liar.'

 

[JBell]

Didn't like it, but I gave the FO the benefit of the doubt because if there's one position they've had a knack for seeing talent at recently, it's LB.

They had 1st round grades on Sean Lee and Navorro Bowman and they were set on taking Bobby Wagner had they not traded their 2nd to move up and grab MoClay.

Wouldn't be mad if they drafted an LB in the middle rounds again next year.

 

[Idgit]

Risen is probably still holding onto his idea that Hitchens and Fred could have been drafted several rounds later.

I envision Fred someday at his Hall of Fame induction with Risen in the audience screaming "it does not matter what he did in the NFL, the Cowboys wasted a 1st on him when they could have had him in the 4th".

Risen was actually very positive about Frederick from the start. Though he did agree he was a reach.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/what...y-about-travis-frederick.255473/#post-5062525
http://cowboyszone.com/threads/here...ngs-said-about-frederick.255422/#post-5062061

I look it up, because he plays loose with truthiness if you let him. But he's generally in favor of big resources devoted to OLs, and Frederick was not an exception.

You do have an interesting point, though, that we're generally willing to overlook a reach on draft day that pans out on the field. That's the case with all of us for Frederick, and all of us by Risen on Hitchens. You know, because he's so consistent.

It doesn't matter. The Hitchens pick was a hit. None of our consistency plays into it, either way. The team knew better than both the board and Mel Kiper in this instance, at least.

 

[casmith07]

I hate him, he sucks!

What you did here. I see it.