texbumthelife
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When Dak raised up a WR core led by Allen Hurns and carried them. Wait...
Yeah....can't argue against that. I think there was some injury issues there but can't argue against that. He did have some pretty big games without Romo though. Or at least one I know for sure was the Commanders game.Where did Williams go after Romo left?
Right out of the league.
And so far down that he couldn't cut it in the XFL.
Romo had that clown looking like a viable #2 receiver, rather than what he actually was, just #2.
It depends on what era of Elway you're talking about because later on Elway had Sharpe, Smith and McCaffery and Terrell Davis.I think Elway's ridiculous talent elevated those teams. Think about it - what elite WR played with Elway? I also think you have to say Brady. Clearly he had Gronk and Moss but it seems that for 20 years whoever played with him just got better. Think about Danny Amendola. Guy played at an All Pro level when he was with Brady.
With all due respect, I think there is such a thing as "make the players around you better". Please forgive me for not giving you an example of a QB that does that. What that phrase means in my mind most appropriately applies to some of the best basketball stars. For example, Tim Duncan was able to play to the strengths of the players around him. Many of the great basketball players do this. I don't think it's all that applicable to the game of football. QB's can hit their targets all day long but the receivers still have to have the skill to catch the ball.I've heard this used to describe guys like Tom Brady and Russell Wilson. But how exactly do you gauge someone making another player better? Did Joe Montana make Jerry Rice better? Did Troy make Michael Irvin better? I've always had a problem grasping this. Because if I go by the stats...........
In 14 games in 2016 Amari Cooper in 14 games had 48 receptions on 96 attempts for 680 yards while averaging 14.2 yards a catch.......
In 2017 prior to getting to Dallas in 6 games he had 22 catches on 31 targets for 280 yards at 12.7 yards a catch and a touchdown. Safe to say he was going to have a even worse year.
Comes to Dallas and in 9 games has 53 catches on 76 targets at 13.7 yards a catch and 6 Touchdowns.
Season after has 79 catches on 119 targets at 15.1 yards a catch for 8 touchdowns.
On to Randall Cobb.
He's had some injuries recently...miraculously got healthy with Dallas somehow.
Maybe a bit unfair to judge him on his 2018 season with Aaron Rodgers so let's go a year prior to 2017 where he played 15 games.
66 catches on 91 targets for 653 yards on a average of 9.9 yards a catch for 4 touchdowns.
In 2019 with Dallas he had 55 catches for 828 yards on 15.1 yards a catch and 3 touchdowns.....all while being the 3rd best receiver on the team.
Anyone want to help me understand what "makes his receivers better" mean?
Yeah....can't argue against that. I think there was some injury issues there but can't argue against that. He did have some pretty big games without Romo though. Or at least one I know for sure was the Commanders game.
It depends on what error of Elway you're talking about because later on Elway had Sharpe, Smith and McCaffery and Terrell Davis.
Fair point on Brady. Can't argue against that either making guys like Wes Welker, Edelman and Amendola look like Pro Bowlers.......
Can't argue against him I just remember him later in his career and those teams had some players on them. Those are actually his best statistical seasons as well.Elway had 2 losing seasons over a long career. Lots of playoff appearances. He carried Denver for about decade before they finally built a good team around him and got a couple SBs.
I don't disagree. Its much easier for me to see it in basketball. A lot harder for me to see it in the NFL especially at quarterback. I've seen wide receivers actually make quarterbacks better.With all due respect, I think there is such a thing as "make the players around you better". Please forgive me for not giving you an example of a QB that does that. What that phrase means in my mind most appropriately applies to some of the best basketball stars. For example, Tim Duncan was able to play to the strengths of the players around him. Many of the great basketball players do this. I don't think it's all that applicable to the game of football. QB's can hit their targets all day long but the receivers still have to have the skill to catch the ball.
Clearly, DAK MADE AMARI & COBB BETTER..., not the other way around. Your factual stats pretty much destroys the Dak haters' agenda/false accusations!I've heard this used to describe guys like Tom Brady and Russell Wilson. But how exactly do you gauge someone making another player better? Did Joe Montana make Jerry Rice better? Did Troy make Michael Irvin better? I've always had a problem grasping this. Because if I go by the stats...........
In 14 games in 2016 Amari Cooper in 14 games had 48 receptions on 96 attempts for 680 yards while averaging 14.2 yards a catch.......
In 2017 prior to getting to Dallas in 6 games he had 22 catches on 31 targets for 280 yards at 12.7 yards a catch and a touchdown. Safe to say he was going to have a even worse year.
Comes to Dallas and in 9 games has 53 catches on 76 targets at 13.7 yards a catch and 6 Touchdowns.
Season after has 79 catches on 119 targets at 15.1 yards a catch for 8 touchdowns.
On to Randall Cobb.
He's had some injuries recently...miraculously got healthy with Dallas somehow.
Maybe a bit unfair to judge him on his 2018 season with Aaron Rodgers so let's go a year prior to 2017 where he played 15 games.
66 catches on 91 targets for 653 yards on a average of 9.9 yards a catch for 4 touchdowns.
In 2019 with Dallas he had 55 catches for 828 yards on 15.1 yards a catch and 3 touchdowns.....all while being the 3rd best receiver on the team.
Anyone want to help me understand what "makes his receivers better" mean?
Cliches..I've heard this used to describe guys like Tom Brady and Russell Wilson. But how exactly do you gauge someone making another player better? Did Joe Montana make Jerry Rice better? Did Troy make Michael Irvin better? I've always had a problem grasping this. Because if I go by the stats...........
In 14 games in 2016 Amari Cooper in 14 games had 48 receptions on 96 attempts for 680 yards while averaging 14.2 yards a catch.......
In 2017 prior to getting to Dallas in 6 games he had 22 catches on 31 targets for 280 yards at 12.7 yards a catch and a touchdown. Safe to say he was going to have a even worse year.
Comes to Dallas and in 9 games has 53 catches on 76 targets at 13.7 yards a catch and 6 Touchdowns.
Season after has 79 catches on 119 targets at 15.1 yards a catch for 8 touchdowns.
On to Randall Cobb.
He's had some injuries recently...miraculously got healthy with Dallas somehow.
Maybe a bit unfair to judge him on his 2018 season with Aaron Rodgers so let's go a year prior to 2017 where he played 15 games.
66 catches on 91 targets for 653 yards on a average of 9.9 yards a catch for 4 touchdowns.
In 2019 with Dallas he had 55 catches for 828 yards on 15.1 yards a catch and 3 touchdowns.....all while being the 3rd best receiver on the team.
Anyone want to help me understand what "makes his receivers better" mean?
Basically for a QB it means, he doesn't require a stud OL, a stud RB, HOF TE, Top notch WRs, just to function as a decent QB. We have all seen how Dak plays when the OL is not dominant, or the running game is off or if he has just average WR. It's not pretty. It's telling that in all the years in GB, with Farve and Rodgers, he never felt the need to draft a WR in the 1st, yet it was the first thing he drafted with Dak, even though we just signed another 1st round to a long term deal. Dak needs very talented players around him to function. He is the opposite of making players better.