What exactly is Norv Turner's offensive system?

[MichaelWinicki]

That's a valid point, but I think if Norv can find a way to fix the oline, he has enough talent at the skill positions to have some success here.

What I'm most eager to see is if he can fix Julius. He became too robotic under BP.

First off there really isn't anything wrong with the o-line that replacing Rivera wouldn't fix.

I agree on Julius. I think Parcells stunted the guys growth after his successful rookie year. He had to become much more aware of hanging onto the ball and it showed the way he approached the line-of-scrimmage.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'd prefer the OL to stay broken if we're going to finish top 5 in scoring.

Geez don't you know we have the worst o-line in the NFL?


That's what many uninformed fans think anyway.

 

[dwmyers]

What success?

I wish people would let go of the 90's.

And you have no clue what it was like to watch those execrable David Shula run offenses. Norv was a huge improvment over 1989-1990.

Some people, who can't give a man credit for anything, need to reconsider their words. There is a reason Aikman had Turner introduce him at the HOF. And Aikman is a better judge of offensive talent than you or theogt or any of the naysayers who cannot give Norv Turner credit for knowing anything about offensive football.

For one, he's being hired to be an offensive coordinator. Repeatedly. If he sucked at it, he'd be running a restaurant somewhere.

David.

 

[Crown Royal]

My only worry is that I am not completely convinced that Romo fits into Norv's scheme. Romo strikes me as a read the field, find the open guy and get it to him, more in a Bill Walsh coaching tree style offense.

He doesn't strike me as a drop back and throw a timing route downfield. He just doesn't seem robotic enough. We'll see - I could be wrong

 

[The Realist]

And you have no clue what it was like to watch those execrable David Shula run offenses. Norv was a huge improvment over 1989-1990.

Some people, who can't give a man credit for anything, need to reconsider their words. There is a reason Aikman had Turner introduce him at the HOF. And Aikman is a better judge of offensive talent than you or theogt or any of the naysayers who cannot give Norv Turner credit for knowing anything about offensive football.

For one, he's being hired to be an offensive coordinator. Repeatedly. If he sucked at it, he'd be running a restaurant somewhere.

David.

BS.............

I hated David LaFleur 9 months before we ever picked him.

Troy signed off on him to Jerry.

Spin that.

I repeat.....none of them ever won a thing without a boat load of picks from the Vikings.

 

[J-DOG]

First off there really isn't anything wrong with the o-line that replacing Rivera wouldn't fix.

I agree on Julius. I think Parcells stunted the guys growth after his successful rookie year. He had to become much more aware of hanging onto the ball and it showed the way he approached the line-of-scrimmage.

I agree with your observation on Julius...he seemed to be playing not to make a mistake instead of trying to make a play.
But I noticed in the Seattle game that Julius was running angry and he had one of his better games in doing so. Thomas Jones has flourished under Ron Turner so many his brother can do the same under his brother....if that makes any sense.

 

[Hailmary]

First off there really isn't anything wrong with the o-line that replacing Rivera wouldn't fix.

I agree on Julius. I think Parcells stunted the guys growth after his successful rookie year. He had to become much more aware of hanging onto the ball and it showed the way he approached the line-of-scrimmage.

Rivera's always hurt, Flozell's on a serious decline, and I need to see more from Gurode to be convinced that he wasn't a one year wonder. We have no idea what McQuistan will do in game situation and Johnson's probably gone. The only players that I feel somewhat ok w/ are Kozier and Colombo, but they're not exactly probowlers. I think our OL is far from being fine.

As for Julius, I caught a bit of some SB special on the nfl network. Dorsett was being interviewed and he was talking about how they wanted him to follow the play exactly as it was diagramed. TD replied (and I'm paraphasing here) "coach, if I see daylight, I'm running to it, regardless of the play". That's what I want to see from Julius, more improv. I think that's what BP prevented him to do.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

My only worry is that I am not completely convinced that Romo fits into Norv's scheme. Romo strikes me as a read the field, find the open guy and get it to him, more in a Bill Walsh coaching tree style offense.

He doesn't strike me as a drop back and throw a timing route downfield. He just doesn't seem robotic enough. We'll see - I could be wrong

Interesting observation.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

My only worry is that I am not completely convinced that Romo fits into Norv's scheme. Romo strikes me as a read the field, find the open guy and get it to him, more in a Bill Walsh coaching tree style offense.

He doesn't strike me as a drop back and throw a timing route downfield. He just doesn't seem robotic enough. We'll see - I could be wrong

I share your concern... I think the key will be how either Romo adapts or how the new system adapts to Romo (which I prefer).

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Rivera's always hurt, Flozell's on a serious decline, and I need to see more from Gurode to be convinced that he wasn't a one year wonder. We have no idea what McQuistan will do in game situation and Johnson's probably gone. The only players that I feel somewhat ok w/ are Kozier and Colombo, but they're not exactly probowlers. I think our OL is far from being fine.

As for Julius, I caught a bit of some SB special on the nfl network. Dorsett was being interviewed and he was talking about how they wanted him to follow the play exactly as it was diagramed. TD replied (and I'm paraphasing here) "coach, if I see daylight, I'm running to it, regardless of the play". That's what I want to see from Julius, more improv. I think that's what BP prevented him to do.

Was BP's instruction to run into the backs of his blockers?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Rivera's always hurt, Flozell's on a serious decline, and I need to see more from Gurode to be convinced that he wasn't a one year wonder. We have no idea what McQuistan will do in game situation and Johnson's probably gone. The only players that I feel somewhat ok w/ are Kozier and Colombo, but they're not exactly probowlers. I think our OL is far from being fine.

As for Julius, I caught a bit of some SB special on the nfl network. Dorsett was being interviewed and he was talking about how they wanted him to follow the play exactly as it was diagramed. TD replied (and I'm paraphasing here) "coach, if I see daylight, I'm running to it, regardless of the play". That's what I want to see from Julius, more improv. I think that's what BP prevented him to do.

Rich's numbers show that Flozell was #6 in the NFL. He was great in the running game. I think he's here as the starter for one more year.

 

[Hailmary]

My only worry is that I am not completely convinced that Romo fits into Norv's scheme. Romo strikes me as a read the field, find the open guy and get it to him, more in a Bill Walsh coaching tree style offense.

He doesn't strike me as a drop back and throw a timing route downfield. He just doesn't seem robotic enough. We'll see - I could be wrong

I agree. The reason why Aikman fluorished in Turner's system was because of his accuracy. Romo will never be as accurate as Aikman.

 

[Crown Royal]

I share your concern... I think the key will be how either Romo adapts or how the new system adapts to Romo (which I prefer).

True story here. I don't think Romo can run the offense of the early nineties - he isn't an Aikman style QB. I hope that Norv/Garrett can recognize this, understand that he DOES have value though, in the right offense, and devise a new offense that will fit him. I have a mental picture of how I would use him, but I am young, not too set in one philosophy, and not an NFL coach. They are older, they have an offensive mindset, and may not be receptive to those who do not fit their system.

 

[dwmyers]

I hated David LaFleur 9 months before we ever picked him.

Troy signed off on him to Jerry.

Spin that.

So you hate David LaFleur. Dig deal. It has nothing to do with Norv Turner, or his skills as a offensive coach. So what other irrelevancy are you going to condemn Norv with? Think he's managing Don Shula's steakhouses with David these days? If San Francisco didn't think he was worth keeping, would they have bothered to make a counter offer to keep him?

Look, I worry about Norv as a head coach. I worry about his ability to motivate and discipline, and Jimmy Johnson has made some cutting remarks about Norv's ability to evaluate talent. I do think, however, he's a fully qualified NFL grade coordinator. It gets old, however, listening to you pretend he's the second coming of David Shula.

David.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

So you hate David LaFleur. Dig deal. It has nothing to do with Norv Turner, or his skills as a offensive coach. So what other irrelevancy are you going to condemn Norv with? Think he's managing Don Shula's steakhouses with David these days? If San Francisco didn't think he was worth keeping, would they have bothered to make a counter offer to keep him?

Look, I worry about Norv as a head coach. I worry about his ability to motivate and discipline, and Jimmy Johnson has made some cutting remarks about Norv's ability to evaluate talent. I do think, however, he's a fully qualified NFL grade coordinator. It gets old, however, listening to you pretend he's the second coming of David Shula.

David.

I hate it when people try forming an argument off of one wrong decision.

That's about as goofy as it gets.

Jimmy traded Barry Minter for John Roper--- does that make Jimmy a dumbarse?

 

[Hailmary]

Was BP's instruction to run into the backs of his blockers?

I think BP's stubborness for x's and o's prevented Julius from being an instinctive runner. And for those that bring up Barber's name, I don't think it's a fair comparison b/c their running styles are different.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

True story here. I don't think Romo can run the offense of the early nineties - he isn't an Aikman style QB. I hope that Norv/Garrett can recognize this, understand that he DOES have value though, in the right offense, and devise a new offense that will fit him. I have a mental picture of how I would use him, but I am young, not too set in one philosophy, and not an NFL coach. They are older, they have an offensive mindset, and may not be receptive to those who do not fit their system.

That's why it's good that Garret will be running the offense. I don't think Smith out in SF was a Aikman type of QB either and Norv did OK with him.

 

[dwmyers]

True story here. I don't think Romo can run the offense of the early nineties - he isn't an Aikman style QB.

Who is? I think that's a genus with 1 species and 1 specimen.

Norv seemed to do pretty well with a scrambling QB in Miami by the name of Jay Fiedler. I recall that game Miami played us in our 10-6 season, where they put the hurt on Dallas big time.

Norv spanked that Dallas team as if they were children.

David.

 

[The Realist]

So you hate David LaFleur. Dig deal. It has nothing to do with Norv Turner, or his skills as a offensive coach. So what other irrelevancy are you going to condemn Norv with? Think he's managing Don Shula's steakhouses with David these days? If San Francisco didn't think he was worth keeping, would they have bothered to make a counter offer to keep him?

Look, I worry about Norv as a head coach. I worry about his ability to motivate and discipline, and Jimmy Johnson has made some cutting remarks about Norv's ability to evaluate talent. I do think, however, he's a fully qualified NFL grade coordinator. It gets old, however, listening to you pretend he's the second coming of David Shula.

David.

You're the one who stated Troy was a better judge of offensive talent.

Hence, my comment on his signing off on LaFleur.

Pay attention to your own comments.

 

[Crown Royal]

Who is? I think that's a genus with 1 species and 1 specimen.

Norv seemed to do pretty well with a scrambling QB in Miami by the name of Jay Fiedler. I recall that game Miami played us in our 10-6 season, where they put the hurt on Dallas big time.

Norv spanked that Dallas team as if they were children.

David.

I don't consider Romo a scrambling QB. I think he has good footwork, but I think he tries to run 1-2 times more than he should. Blame that on the OL or on his happy feet, idk.

Romo's greatest gift is that he is sickeningly good on the medium deep throws in front of him, such as deep ins. His accuracy gets better from short to out, whereas bledsoe was more accurate deep to short. I think that what would serve him best is a lot of look-off to the slot receiver (TO or crayton), deep ins to Glenn, hitches to Witten, and the occasional deep shot as setup by the run.

Now some of this is what Norv does best, but I think you HAVE to give Romo ability to diagnose and find the guy, not just throw to the open place. IDK that timing is best for him, because I don't think he has a great mental clock or is that precise (accuracy and precision are different).

I am not worrying myself sick about this - I think Garrett/Norv will find what is best. But it is something I think about.