What Happens if Bledsoe is Injuried?

[ABQCOWBOY]

Henson has prototypical measurables, above average arm strength and agility for the position. He also has some time in TCs now. I believe that there would be more then just passing interest in him from other NFL teams.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree on the O-line and there's only one Qb we've been able to win with despite the O-line troubles and we all know who he is>

I assume you refer to Carter. I would suggest that we also won with Vinnie. It may not be a very attractive thought but I think it's a fair point.

 

[Alexander]

We already know what will happen, they'll both make us wish we still had Hutch.

Way harsh.

 

[Alexander]

I assume you refer to Carter. I would suggest that we also won with Vinnie. It may not be a very attractive thought but I think it's a fair point.

I agree.

Testeverde was not much of a step up from Carter in terms of making mistakes. The biggest problem he had was that he had more free reign from Coach Parcells and made more mistakes in crunch time. Carter at least had the fear of Coach Parcells in him to keep him in check. I also think we took more risks because Coach Parcells trusted him more due to their past history.

But, I also think the injuries to Jones and especially Glenn hurt Testeverde's chances more than anything else. Up until Glenn got hurt against Green Bay, it was obvious he was more accurate and superior to Carter in many respects.

Laugh it up about Hambrick and Galloway, but they provided more stability than Eddie George and Quincy Morgan.

 

[kartr]

Well, there were a couple of times last year where I had wished Vinny desperately needed to visit the men's room for a series or two or three...

I agree with your take on the situation. I still think Henson has the skills to succeed.

Why? When he has shown that he can't beat out Romo. Romo only has a year's advantage in knowledge of our offense. Romo hasn't started a game in 3 years.
What skills, certainly not his mechanics, that's why he's thrown 5000 passes in the last 4 months;accuracy, what accuracy, that's the reason all the scouts at his workout passed on him;experience, he's started 1 game in the last 4 years and played in just 2 games. Where are these skills you are referring to? Don't tell me about an outdated scouting report from 5 years ago.

 

[kartr]

as long as you're talking scrubs... why not get Laufenberg out of the booth, or see what Steve Pelluer is doing these days?

Hey didn't Ryan Leaf have a pretty looking long ball?

At least Carter can help you get to the playoffs, those others can't.

 

[Alexander]

At least Carter can help you get to the playoffs, those others can't.

Carter was a help, but so were the other players we jettisoned from 2003 until last year. That would include Ebenezer Ekuban, Darren Woodson, Troy Hambrick, Willie Blade, Joey Galloway and Mario Edwards.

Truth be told, those players played just as well, if not better, than Carter and had just about as much to do with our playoff run as he did. It was not just Quincy, even though you like to claim it was.

 

[blindzebra]

I agree on the O-line and there's only one Qb we've been able to win with despite the O-line troubles and we all know who he is>

For someone who claims to ONLY DEFEND CARTER FROM PERSONAL ATTACKS, you sure like injecting him into every thread.:jerk:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Why? When he has shown that he can't beat out Romo. Romo only has a year's advantage in knowledge of our offense. Romo hasn't started a game in 3 years.
What skills, certainly not his mechanics, that's why he's thrown 5000 passes in the last 4 months;accuracy, what accuracy, that's the reason all the scouts at his workout passed on him;experience, he's started 1 game in the last 4 years and played in just 2 games. Where are these skills you are referring to? Don't tell me about an outdated scouting report from 5 years ago.

Your point about beating out Romo is at least debatable. I am not trying to say that Henson has proven he is the future but I will point out the fact that at the end of the season, Henson was number 2 on the depth chart. He was also the only other QB to get playing time. I think that the point can be made he did indeed beat out Romo, at least last year.

As far as experience, I would also point out that Romo played at Eastern Illinois, the same college Payton coached. The offense Romo ran, while at Eastern Ill is the same basic offense that is run in Dallas. Romo, in fact, does have considerable experience in it, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[kartr]

I assume you refer to Carter. I would suggest that we also won with Vinnie. It may not be a very attractive thought but I think it's a fair point.

But we won more games with Carter and against tougher defenses. In 2003 we ran a gauntlet of champsionship defenses, remember(Pats and Panthers in the superbowl. the Eagles twice and they went to the NFC championship, Tampa Bay, Buffalo,Dolphins, the New Orleans pass rush). That's eight teams with good defenses. Now contrast that to last years games against these defenses(Vikings,Packers,Bengals,Seahawks,Detroit,Cleveland(run defense),Chicago, all around bad team,two mediocre Skins teams and the Giants with Eli Manning. Last year with Vinny, we scored 4 more points than in 2003 against 8 elite defenses. Vinny was the reason we couldn't beat the Eagles in game two last year because of his late int. Carter had excellent play last year in relief of Pennington. Look at his completion percentage, 60.3%, his qb rating, 98, his winning percentage 2-3 (66%),all improvedments over 2003. In 2002, Carter averaged 209 yards per game in 7 starts against the Eagles, Giants, Rams,Panthers,Cards,Titans with an ancient E.Smith and Galloway and a rookie in Antonio Bryant, he averaged 206 yards a game in 2003. How can it not be obvious that Parcells took too much credit in 2003 and that this team is headed in the wrong direction?

 

[kartr]

I agree.

Testeverde was not much of a step up from Carter in terms of making mistakes. The biggest problem he had was that he had more free reign from Coach Parcells and made more mistakes in crunch time. Carter at least had the fear of Coach Parcells in him to keep him in check. I also think we took more risks because Coach Parcells trusted him more due to their past history.

But, I also think the injuries to Jones and especially Glenn hurt Testeverde's chances more than anything else. Up until Glenn got hurt against Green Bay, it was obvious he was more accurate and superior to Carter in many respects.

Laugh it up about Hambrick and Galloway, but they provided more stability than Eddie George and Quincy Morgan.

He was not a step up from Carter,otherwise they'd have brought him back.

 

[blindzebra]

But we won more games with Carter and against tougher defenses. In 2003 we ran a gauntlet of champsionship defenses, remember(Pats and Panthers in the superbowl. the Eagles twice and they went to the NFC championship, Tampa Bay, Buffalo,Dolphins, the New Orleans pass rush). That's eight teams with good defenses. Now contrast that to last years games against these defenses(Vikings,Packers,Bengals,Seahawks,Detroit,Cleveland(run defense),Chicago, all around bad team,two mediocre Skins teams and the Giants with Eli Manning. Last year with Vinny, we scored 4 more points than in 2003 against 8 elite defenses. Vinny was the reason we couldn't beat the Eagles in game two last year because of his late int. Carter had excellent play last year in relief of Pennington. Look at his completion percentage, 60.3%, his qb rating, 98, his winning percentage 2-3 (66%),all improvedments over 2003. In 2002, Carter averaged 209 yards per game in 7 starts against the Eagles, Giants, Rams,Panthers,Cards,Titans with an ancient E.Smith and Galloway and a rookie in Antonio Bryant, he averaged 206 yards a game in 2003. How can it not be obvious that Parcells took too much credit in 2003 and that this team is headed in the wrong direction?

Now it's 8 teams with GOOD DEFENSES, mighty big change from 8 of the top 10?

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm glad the guy is history and no longer our problem and in the meantime I'm not seeing any teams going after him strongly so while some may think very high of Carter other teams around the league do not share that view point or Carter would have already been signed.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

At least Carter can help you get to the playoffs, those others can't.

This is also untrue. Vinnie, in fact, has helped the Jets make the playoffs. He has shown that he can do this. Same with Bledsoe. It may not be for the Cowboys, per say, but given the circumstances, I don't see how you can look at Carter or Vinnie and say one lead the team to victory and the other to defeate. The reality of the situation is that both QBs, posted almost identical passing stats 03 and 04.

57.8% Comp., 6.5 YPC, 17TDs/21INTs, 3302 yards.

60.0% Comp., 7.1 YPC, 17TDs/20INTs, 3532 yards.

Which stats belong to which QB?

Total Offense numbers look like this.

5197

5161

Total Sacks for/against.

32/37

33/36

Which is which?

Total Rushing yards and average per carry look like this.

1999 for 3.9

1769 for 3.9

Which is which?

In fact, the only real discernable difference between 2004 and 2003 is this.

Total offensive yards against.

5285 2004

4056 2003

Total Rushing yards against.

1764 2004

1425 2003

Total Passing yards against.

3521 2004

2631 2003

Total TDs Against.

49 2004

28 2003

Total FGs Against.

21/23 2004

21/23 2003

You can hang a lot of things on Vinnie or give credit to Carter for certain things but the facts are that the two QBs, in there last season here in Dallas were almost identical from a statistical point of view. To give credit to one for winning and the other for lossing is rediculous. Even the offensive support is almost the same. The only real difference was the defense and that is clearly illustrated in the numbers from one year to the next. Give credit where due. The defensive performance of the 2003 club was better then the 2004 club. We were very lucky in 2003 in that we faced many teams at the right time. The QBs had little to do with the eventual outcomes of the seasons.

That's the real truth.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But we won more games with Carter and against tougher defenses. In 2003 we ran a gauntlet of champsionship defenses, remember(Pats and Panthers in the superbowl. the Eagles twice and they went to the NFC championship, Tampa Bay, Buffalo,Dolphins, the New Orleans pass rush). That's eight teams with good defenses. Now contrast that to last years games against these defenses(Vikings,Packers,Bengals,Seahawks,Detroit,Cleveland(run defense),Chicago, all around bad team,two mediocre Skins teams and the Giants with Eli Manning. Last year with Vinny, we scored 4 more points than in 2003 against 8 elite defenses. Vinny was the reason we couldn't beat the Eagles in game two last year because of his late int. Carter had excellent play last year in relief of Pennington. Look at his completion percentage, 60.3%, his qb rating, 98, his winning percentage 2-3 (66%),all improvedments over 2003. In 2002, Carter averaged 209 yards per game in 7 starts against the Eagles, Giants, Rams,Panthers,Cards,Titans with an ancient E.Smith and Galloway and a rookie in Antonio Bryant, he averaged 206 yards a game in 2003. How can it not be obvious that Parcells took too much credit in 2003 and that this team is headed in the wrong direction?

We also faced more then just a few of those teams without there starting QBs. Lots of backup QBs or very young QBs. If you break down those games in the first half of 2003, you'll see that we caught lots of teams at the right time. That didn't happen in 2004.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He was not a step up from Carter,otherwise they'd have brought him back.

I would agree that he was not a step up from Carter, statistically, but he was better, statistically, then was Carter.

I don't think there's any question that he was better from the perspective of team welfare.

 

[Alexander]

He was not a step up from Carter,otherwise they'd have brought him back.

We seriously thought about bringing him back right up until Bledsoe was released.

 

[blindzebra]

This is also untrue. Vinnie, in fact, has helped the Jets make the playoffs. He has shown that he can do this. Same with Bledsoe. It may not be for the Cowboys, per say, but given the circumstances, I don't see how you can look at Carter or Vinnie and say one lead the team to victory and the other to defeate. The reality of the situation is that both QBs, posted almost identical passing stats 03 and 04.

57.8% Comp., 6.5 YPC, 17TDs/21INTs, 3302 yards.

60.0% Comp., 7.1 YPC, 17TDs/20INTs, 3532 yards.

Which stats belong to which QB?

Total Offense numbers look like this.

5197

5161

Total Sacks for/against.

32/37

33/36

Which is which?

Total Rushing yards and average per carry look like this.

1999 for 3.9

1769 for 3.9

Which is which?

In fact, the only real discernable difference between 2004 and 2003 is this.

Total offensive yards against.

5285 2004

4056 2003

Total Rushing yards against.

1764 2004

1425 2003

Total Passing yards against.

3521 2004

2631 2003

Total TDs Against.

49 2004

28 2003

Total FGs Against.

21/23 2004

21/23 2003

You can hang a lot of things on Vinnie or give credit to Carter for certain things but the facts are that the two QBs, in there last season here in Dallas were almost identical from a statistical point of view. To give credit to one for winning and the other for lossing is rediculous. Even the offensive support is almost the same. The only real difference was the defense and that is clearly illustrated in the numbers from one year to the next. Give credit where due. The defensive performance of the 2003 club was better then the 2004 club. We were very lucky in 2003 in that we faced many teams at the right time. The QBs had little to do with the eventual outcomes of the seasons.

That's the real truth.

Facts ABQ, why bring facts into this discussion? All you have to do is make it all up and bend it into something it's not. You know fight fire with fire.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Facts ABQ, why bring facts into this discussion? All you have to do is make it all up and bend it into something it's not. You know fight fire with fire.

LOL..

You of all people should know that it's all in how you view it. Some plays are bang-bang and you almost have to take a step back and replay all of what you were able to capture in those few snap shots, back in your mind. Then you make a call.

Others can be looked at from a distance and all of a sudden, a picture comes clear. That's how I view Carter and Vinnie. People watched them and took certain things from there play. Like a ref calling a play. All of a sudden, the things that they captured, good or bad, become the lasting images in there minds.

After a while, if you have enough objectivity creeping in, you can start breaking down plays, games and seasons. After awhile, you come to see that the two, statistically, were very simular overall. The deference was clearly defense and luck of the draw.

This is what I see.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

11Bledsoe, DrewQB


First, you have to look at what's left should Bledsoe get injured ...

7Henson, DrewQB

9Romo, TonyQB


Unrestricted Free Agent

16Testaverde, VinnyQB




I'm not trying to answer this one ...but, all I can say is you'd better Hope that Bledsoe satys healthy throughout the season!