What Happens To Henry If Jones Beats Him Out...

[Nav22]

Sorry Hos, but I think you're way off on this one.

If we ship Henry out of town, that likely leaves Jenkins, Scandrick, and Oglesby as the 3-5 CBs.

What evidence do we have that any of these three guys, in 2008, will be a drastic improvement over Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones in '07?

Depth in the secondary was a major issue last season. Jerry won't let it be an issue in '08.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Until Newman fully heals, Henry is very valuable as depth, even if he is displaced by Adam.

Absolutely.

Here is the order:

1. Newman
2. Jones
3. Henry

regardless of any talk about Jones needing to beat him out

:laugh2:

 

[cowboyuptx]

I imagine when we get in tight spaces such as the red zone Henry will be in the game.

He is to big and a great matchup vs the bigger receivers like Plaxico to not get him lined up across from them.

I agree. Henry plays best against the best receivers, that's the best thing about Henry. Most of the NFL's best WR's are big, strong, and fast, but most aren't too fast for Henry to keep up with, plus Henry has the size and "ball-hawkedness" to defend them well... Now, put him against a Super-Smurf like Santana Moss or Wes Welker, and they're gonna own him...

Henry played great for us last season! PacMan maybe better overall, but Henry was also Pro Bowl caliber last season... Henry deserves to be on the field! Dude was 3rd in the NFC in Interceptions (6), despite only starting 10 games.... I think the best player should get the job, and that will probably be Adam Jones (eventually), but Henry's a damn good player in his own right, and a better person...

 

[Hostile]

Sorry Hos, but I think you're way off on this one.

If we ship Henry out of town, that likely leaves Jenkins, Scandrick, and Oglesby as the 3-5 CBs.

What evidence do we have that any of these three guys, in 2008, will be a drastic improvement over Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones in '07?

Depth in the secondary was a major issue last season. Jerry won't let it be an issue in '08.

It's called "getting a return on an investment" and it happens all the time. There is no way they will re-sign him if Jones is re-instated and either of the rookies prove themselves. So rather than let him walk free they can seek to get something in return.

It's hardly rare.

 

[Verdict]

It's called "getting a return on an investment" and it happens all the time. There is no way they will re-sign him if Jones is re-instated and either of the rookies prove themselves. So rather than let him walk free they can seek to get something in return.

It's hardly rare.

I agree that trading Henry could help out the Cowboys, especially to get a top notch receiver. The wild card in this scenario, is that Pac Man is one infraction from being banned possibly for life. I think absent that issue, that one of the cornerbacks would DEFINTELY be traded.

Jerry Jones is known as a gambler, so he might gamble that Pac Man will be a model citizen from here on out. If the young guys we have keep improving and looking good, I would say that Jerry Jones pulls the trigger and trades one of the CB's.

 

[Hostile]

I agree that trading Henry could help out the Cowboys, especially to get a top notch receiver. The wild card in this scenario, is that Pac Man is one infraction from being banned possibly for life. I think absent that issue, that one of the cornerbacks would DEFINTELY be traded.

Jerry Jones is known as a gambler, so he might gamble that Pac Man will be a model citizen from here on out. If the young guys we have keep improving and looking good, I would say that Jerry Jones pulls the trigger and trades one of the CB's.

It is a gamble, but I can tell you the organization does not expect any issues with Adam Jones. He truly seems to be a changed man. They are also quite happy with Ball, Oglesby, Jenkins, and Scandrick, so they might be more willing to gamble. Even if Newman is hurt and Henry is traded they feel Jenkins and Jones could start.

It is a gamble, no doubt, but when you have depth in one area and a need in another, you explore the options.

That is all I am speculating on. Depth vs. need.

 

[Nav22]

It's called "getting a return on an investment" and it happens all the time. There is no way they will re-sign him if Jones is re-instated and either of the rookies prove themselves. So rather than let him walk free they can seek to get something in return.

It's hardly rare.

I hear you, but this is a "Super Bowl or bust" year to Jerry.

He won't risk losing great CB depth in 2008 just for a mid-late round pick in 2009. Poor depth there was a major weakness last season.

As for the #2 WR, Henry himself isn't worth much more than a 4th round pick at best, and we have 2 4th rounders next year. I think Jerry would be much more apt to part with one of those rather than deal away Henry.

 

[Hostile]

I hear you, but this is a "Super Bowl or bust" year to Jerry.

He won't risk losing great CB depth in 2008 just for a mid-late round pick in 2009. Poor depth there was a major weakness last season.

As for the #2 WR, Henry himself isn't worth much more than a 4th round pick at best, and we have 2 4th rounders next year. I think Jerry would be much more apt to part with one of those rather than deal away Henry.

I have literally never even considered that as something they would even remotely look into because it is not a need. #2 WR is the only real need/want.

 

[jobberone]

Pacman is practicing the same side Henry plays right now. Which is the reason Jenkins is getting the start over Pacman this Saturday. I think there is a very real reason why he is working the right side first. Baring injury, Pacman and Newman will be the starters at some point this season. (or at least see more time, I say that because we say what happen last year with Barber and JuJo) Henry will become the 3rd CB of sort. He is already practicing to cover tight ends.

Henry is very physical and not as fast as the other two starting quality CBs on this team. He's the best man for the job in covering TEs.

It's going to be hard to keep Jones on the bench. But with the dings these guys get they will all play a lot.

 

[28 Joker]

It's called "getting a return on an investment" and it happens all the time. There is no way they will re-sign him if Jones is re-instated and either of the rookies prove themselves. So rather than let him walk free they can seek to get something in return.

It's hardly rare.

I agree with you about the possibility of trading Henry. I would consider it for sure. In fact, I predict that Jenkins beats Henry out for the third CB spot. I hope he does. Jenkins is more ready than some people realize. He's young, fast, big, and strong. He's ready to take on that number three role for sure. Put him in and let him swim and learn. He can more than do that job. At the end of the year, playing Jenkins at the number 3 will pay big dividends.

I say Jenkins beats Henry out pretty early, and Henry's primary role will be in the dime if Dallas doesn't deal him.

That is why I say keep Oglesby and Ball. Henry is gone for sure next year, imo. If you keep Henry this year and move him next year or cut him and cut Ball this year, you are going to be looking for more depth next year. Ball is still learning and young. Cutting him now would be a mistake. Newman and the coaches like Ball. He isn't a finished product.

If Roy Williams could cover the TE, I think Henry would be dealt for sure. This is just my opinion. Perhaps, another player will emerge who can deal with the TE in the dime.

 

[Nav22]

I have literally never even considered that as something they would even remotely look into because it is not a need. #2 WR is the only real need/want.

I should've been more clear.

What I meant was, since Henry's value is probably a 4th round pick or so, trading Henry vs. trading a 4th round pick saves us that 4th round pick.

So with that line of thinking, to trade away Henry as part of a package for a #2 WR would be to save the 4th rounder.

And like I said, with this being a "Super Bowl or bust" year, Jerry would rather part with the pick.

(Of course, this still assumes that the 4th rounder is just as valuable to the trade partner as Anthony Henry is)

Here's another factor: per Romo, the offense has looked outstanding in camp so far. Tony says it is the best they have looked since he has been there. So it's very possible that Jerry now believes that we still have a stellar offense even with Crayton, Hurd, Austin, Amendola, etc as the complementary WRs. Amendola has looked great by all accounts.

At this point, midway through camp, Jerry may be thinking that it is more important to keep last year's weaknesses from possibly appearing again in '08 (CB depth) than it is to bring in a talented #2 WR who a) might not even be necessary, or b) might not fit in all that well or learn the offense quickly enough to really be a force for us.

Now if a Steve Smith was available for a 1st and a 4th, Jerry would probably be VERY tempted to pull the trigger. But at this point, I don't think he'll send away a valuable CB in Henry and risk hurting the defense.

One last caveat: if he could do Henry plus a 2 for Smith, rather than a 1st and a 4th... then Jerry would probably look very hard at that.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

I imagine when we get in tight spaces such as the red zone Henry will be in the game.

He is to big and a great matchup vs the bigger receivers like Plaxico to not get him lined up across from them.

You got it. You don't trade big talented corners. Maybe he does get beat out for the starting job. There is nothing wrong with having three very capable corners on the team. Didn't we bring in Pacman for that very reason?

 

[dcfanatic]

Pacman is practicing the same side Henry plays right now. Which is the reason Jenkins is getting the start over Pacman this Saturday. I think there is a very real reason why he is working the right side first. Baring injury, Pacman and Newman will be the starters at some point this season. (or at least see more time, I say that because we say what happen last year with Barber and JuJo) Henry will become the 3rd CB of sort. He is already practicing to cover tight ends.

I know Pacman is going to be the starter opposite Newman. I knew as soon as they traded for him.

Wade can say all he wants that Henry is a good player. It won't matter when opening day comes.

You know what's funny is that the Browns may come out in that 3 wide set and we have to begin the season in a Nickel with Henry as that Hybrid Safety thing.