What happens to the QB position now?

[Slick]

I just have to note that Dak wants a 4 year contract. The total amount of cash that Patrick Mahomes gets from when he signed the deal to the end of 2024 (year 4) is about $142m or 35.5m per.

Based on reports, Dak was asking for Mahomes money. He just wanted a much shorter contract than Mahomes wanted.

Because he wants even more cash and wants to come to the table earlier next time. I would have let him walk......taken back the tag. They had nothing invested more than a rookie deal that worked out great in the teams favor.

 

[gjkoeppen]

So, “gamesmanship” is why they didn’t get the deal done. Ah ha.
Gosh, I hope there isn’t any “chicanery” in the next negotiation and subsequent tag....

You changing what I said DOES NOT make what you said right.
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[Slick]

End the end JJ makes the call and he doesn’t care what fans think. If he says they’re keeping Dak then they will.

And if he won't, he'll be that much smarter this time.

 

[blueblood70]

I think you misunderstood my post. The question was would there be lots of fans disgusted with them if they lived up to their contract figures? If Zeke and Jaylon were setting the field on fire every time they stepped on it, and were breaking records, would they be criticized compared to them way underperforming like now? I think that's the problem and issue.

sorry again

far too high of expectations especially this year.. i knew what you said and responded the way i felt it could make fan undertand..no way zeke was poised for great season with that OL, no dak, used 4 qbs, played from behind so many games it took the run game away and Kellen moore is pass happy coach with little to no desire to commit to the run game..

emmitt freaking smith had 7 of his 13 years in this HOF career UNDER 4 YPC for the seasons..SEVEN Seasons, you know why it appears different, because even at 4YPC you give the balls to players like Emmitt and zeke 25times or more a game thats 100 +per game , and take few games here and where where they couldn't stick to the run that 1350-1450 yards a year..ES was in a offense had coaches and hOF line and QB that were all dedicated to the run

this is fact go loo it up 7 season under 4YPC yet he made the HOF , that what zeke averaging this year but might barely get 1k , again why? its a team game that why.. ES and EE are very similar backs having very similar career , however far different teams and coaches..

JS can also benefit from a few DT that actually dont give an offense 4 holes to choose from on every snap..not making excuses but fN JUST SEE STATS AND HATE..SORRY FAR MORE GOES INTO A SEASON AND THIS SEASON FAR TOO MANY INJURIES AT OL AND QB FOR ZEKE TO HAVE SOLID YEAR..DOWN YEAR YES BUT NOTHING THE GREAT EMMITT SMITH DIDNT REPEAT FOR 7 YEARS..

 

[cowboyec]

Accuracy? Every receiver has to practically do a full body twist to catch his passes. How many highlight reels show him hitting guys deep full stride catching in front without having to come back to him? How many amazing highlights show him putting that ball on the outside of the receiver along the sideline where only he has a chance to catch it? Dalton has done that this year.......

bull.
stop hating your QB.

 

[ShaneFalco]

You changing what I said DOES NOT make what you said right.

Nor does you claiming “gamesmanship” in the negotiations as one of the reasons the negotiations fell apart and the FO just went ahead and instead tagged Tag make your fantasy right either.
But it does make for fun reading.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Because he wants even more cash and wants to come to the table earlier next time. I would have let him walk......taken back the tag. They had nothing invested more than a rookie deal that worked out great in the teams favor.

How much money has DAL spent on Prescott total?

 

[gjkoeppen]

Nor does you claiming “gamesmanship” in the negotiations as one of the reasons the negotiations fell apart and the FO just went ahead and instead tagged Tag make your fantasy right either.
But it does make for fun reading.

AGAIN you are trying your best to change what I said. You need to go back and reread it. AT NO TIME did I say or imply or use the the term of sportsmanship with or about the Prescott negotiations. I did use sportsmanship when talking about things teams say prior to the draft to make it harder for other teams to know for sure what players they are thinking about drafting, but nothing about Prescott's negotiations. Your " instead tagged Tag" makes no sense. You also obviously have little knowledge of teams using the franchise tag. They use that before free agency starts to keep other teams from being abler to bid on a player. Teams have until July 15 to get the player signed to a long term contract. Now I did state another fact that the Cowboys did use a second tag on DeMarcus Lawrence but they also signed him to a long term contract a week later long before the July 15th deadline. Now if you read things and more importantly comprehended what you read I wouldn't have to repeat these things.
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[Cmac]

I may not have started the thread.....but can I get some credit for setting it on fire on behalf of the "Pay that Man" foundation?
Seems some want a championship team with bargain basement salaries.....this is what happens when the GM and scouting department fails, and injuries occur.
….And when teams do win championships, lots want money because players have a stake in the matter, including some overestimating their roles, or the competitor overestimating their value. The shelf life on some players are on the backside.....thank your GM and the coaching issues....for years. Don't hate the player.....hate the game (GM).
Now let the fire sale begin, our getting rid of players......and soon starting over will be starting over again.

 

[Chuck 54]

No tag....we will sign Dak to a contract. He will sign. Play on the tag again and get another injury, even if only a few games, and he gets labeled and offers drop in value.

Dak signs a 4 year contract. We look for another veteran backup after seeing how important it is.

 

[ShaneFalco]

AGAIN you are trying your best to change what I said. You need to go back and reread it. AT NO TIME did I say or imply or use the the term of sportsmanship with or about the Prescott negotiations. I did use sportsmanship when talking about things teams say prior to the draft to make it harder for other teams to know for sure what players they are thinking about drafting, but nothing about Prescott's negotiations. Your " instead tagged Tag" makes no sense. You also obviously have little knowledge of teams using the franchise tag. They use that before free agency starts to keep other teams from being abler to bid on a player. Teams have until July 15 to get the player signed to a long term contract. Now I did state another fact that the Cowboys did use a second tag on DeMarcus Lawrence but they also signed him to a long term contract a week later long before the July 15th deadline. Now if you read things and more importantly comprehended what you read I wouldn't have to repeat these things.
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You used “gamesmanship” in the 1st sentence of your post. LOL.
And teams don’t use the tag on elite franchise QBs. They sign them to Russel Wilson type contracts. Or more.

 

[Pantone282C]

It is not a New Years resolution but one of my hopes for 2021 is for both Jerry Jones and Dak Prescott to make it crystal clear to each other whether they want a long-term contract between them. Or not. This limbo question is (debatably) the worst thing hanging over cowboyszone right now.

Not a good way to start the season. I do think Dalton is a good bridge and Gilbert is a nice backup, but we need cohesion and certitude.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Not a good way to start the season. I do think Dalton is a good bridge and Gilbert is a nice backup, but we need cohesion and certitude.

Dallas needs an elite QB. The current QBs are ultimately just a waste of time and this is what happens when a FO believes that. They tag and kick the can to the next offseason and reassess.

 

[Pantone282C]

Dallas needs an elite QB. The current QBs are ultimately just a waste of time and this is what happens when a FO believes that. They tag and kick the can to the next offseason and reassess.

Um, okay. Believes what?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Happy New Year Zoners. This season is ending on a high but low note for me. Week 17 will have some excitement but winning 3 in a row really takes Dallas out of contention to draft a top QB. Worst case scenario seems likely - Dallas and Washington both win. So the draft pick ends up in the 9-12 area, I guess. Definitely no QB there. No Surtain. No Parsons. Oh well. Biggest question is the QB. Seems like the choices are:

1. Tag Dak for 2021 and let him play out that contract

2. Trade Dak knowing the value is down given the injury and ATL likely grabs Wilson

3. Sign Dak LT - there will be no bargain there

If you go with #2 is Dalton your guy?

more first round QBs fail than succeed in the NFL including top 5 picks.

you tag dak and negotiate a contract.....for 3 or 4 years....perhaps a 4 year deal that would allow both sides an out to renegotiate or go your merry way....the 4 gives a little better flexibility

if Dalton is willing to sign for 3M, yes, he can be a good reliable back up.

 

[gjkoeppen]

You used “gamesmanship” in the 1st sentence of your post. LOL.
And teams don’t use the tag on elite franchise QBs. They sign them to Russel Wilson type contracts. Or more.

Ok here it is "There is a lot of BS that goes on around draft time by most teams and that is called gamesmanship, but when both Jerry and Stephen have said Prescott was their QB as many times as they have on so many different times during the year they would both look so foolish if they didn't mean it and did move Prescott."

Now since you can't get this on your own I'm going to try one last time. I used the term sportsmanship in reference to the time around the draft. Now there is a comma and then I state that Jerry and Stephen have said Prescott many times on so many DIFFERENT times during the year (as in not predraft but during OTA's, Training camp, the season.) There is NO IMPLICATION that I used sportsmanship in reference to the Prescott negotiations.

Don't bother to reply again because I'll just ignore it. You've proved you have a very bad comprehension problem.
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[PAPPYDOG]

"...not a peep from the board when it happened"



In what universe did some CowboysZone members NOT post threads and comments criticizing Romo's signing--over an EXTENDED time?

I am going on two decades on this site, much of it as a moderator, and this example is one the best fiction I have read here. Ever.

More and more the mods are intervening in these forum discussions and indirectly controlling their outcome and pulse.
Hard to debate a guy on equal footing who has the power to ban you.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Actually many said the contract was an overpay given Romo's lack of playoff success just like many on here say Dak should not receive a big contract extension given his lack of playoff success.

I think Romo's contract was 13% of the cap. Dak's is looking like 20%, or more. QB contracts are a bubble.

At the last extension, Romo's contract was weird, with extra years remaining *if* he was on another team. Gave us the option to trade him away to another team at a pretty reasonable price for them. A ruthless management would have squeezed the value out of that option.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Um, okay. Believes what?

That they do not have an elite QB worth Russel Wilson money.

 

[JoeKing]

"Will get done" is not definitive. An actual signing or dissolving of their professional relationship (e.g. trade, waiver, etc.) is definitive.

What I or anyone else says or speculates about the contract negotiations is entirely irrelevant. The only relevant thing is what has not yet happened. That said, I have stated since 2016 Jones had completely committed to Prescott and that he would sign Prescott a franchise quarterback level contract eventually. My personal expectation is that an agreement would have been done already. It has not but that is my problem, not Jones or Prescott's.

"Will get done" is definitive. It's not definitive to you because you are a prisoner of the past and present and you do not trust the future, You are creating this dilemma for yourself and propagating it out to others because that's all you are capable of conceiving. Until you are able to trust the future, that's just the way it will be.