What has Parcells done?

[Maikeru-sama]

I know Zimmer takes alot of ripping on here,but I believe he is running the defense the way Parcells wants it ran.So blame Parcells for that also.

Im one of Zimmer's biggest critics and I am really starting to give some credibility to that statement.

- Mike G.

 

[AtlCB]

I have to disagree. Vinny was brought in to start. I thought so as soon as he was signed. Quincy was not the answer at QB and Bill thought his old timer could hold the fort while he developed a young guy on the side. He was wrong. That is why Vinny is no longer around. If Vinny was such a great back up, he would have stuck around in Dallas as the back up.

 

[joseephuss]

I laughed when they signed Vinny and then cried because I realized what Bill was up to. Quincy was not a great option either, but at least bring someone in who is a decent QB, not an over the hill at best average guy.

 

[AtlCB]

I laughed when they signed Vinny and then cried because I realized what Bill was up to. Quincy was not a great option either, but at least bring someone in who is a decent QB, not an over the hill at best average guy.

I was laughing about your comment that Vinny was brought in to be the starter. Carter was clearly the starter at that time. Vinny was brought in to be the backup quarterback.

 

[Stautner]

Im one of Zimmer's biggest critics and I am really starting to give some credibility to that statement.

- Mike G.

Just starting ......? Has your head been buried in the sand?

Do you really think Parcells stands there on the sidelines each week thinking to himself how stupid the defensivie game plan is and wishing he had the authority to do something about it?

Just so you know - he DOES have the authority, and he isn't shy about using it.

He isn't a passive uninvolved coach that lets everyone else call the shots - right or wrong he's well known for inisisting things are done the way he wants.

How people ever got the idea that the coordinators were running the show contrary to Parcells wishes is just mind boggling.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Just starting ......? Has your head been buried in the sand?

Do you really think Parcells stands there on the sidelines each week thinking to himself how stupid the defensivie game plan is and wishing he had the authority to do something about it?

Just so you know - he DOES have the authority, and he isn't shy about using it.

He isn't a passive uninvolved coach that lets everyone else call the shots - right or wrong he's well known for inisisting things are done the way he wants.

How people ever got the idea that the coordinators were running the show contrary to Parcells wishes is just mind boggling.

The last "right hand man" Parcells trusted with a little freedom betrayed him (at least in Parcells' mind).

We haven't seen him trust anyone since and I doubt we will.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Just starting ......? Has your head been buried in the sand?

Do you really think Parcells stands there on the sidelines each week thinking to himself how stupid the defensivie game plan is and wishing he had the authority to do something about it?

Just so you know - he DOES have the authority, and he isn't shy about using it.

He isn't a passive uninvolved coach that lets everyone else call the shots - right or wrong he's well known for inisisting things are done the way he wants.

How people ever got the idea that the coordinators were running the show contrary to Parcells wishes is just mind boggling.

Mike Zimmer is the defensive coordinator. Bill Parcells repeatedly bragged on the guy and 3 years ago Mickey said that Parcells said he liked him because he handled the defense kind of like Bill Belichik did (coaching and motivation). Parcells has shown alot of faith in Mike Zimmer and even kept him around when he switched to a 3-4 Defense.

Sure, everything can be blamed on the the Head Coach, because..well he is the Head Coach, but he has coordinators and assistants who have some autonomy and have to be held accountable as well. Some people say Jerry is totally in charge, some people say Bill Parcells is totally in charge. Who calls the plays on offense is sometimes a mystery. Regardless, none of us attend the meetings or are we on the sidelines. So I can only go by who wears the title of Defensive Coordinator.

Heck, why is Zimmer even apart of the staff if he is just sitting there with no accountability.

Besides, Zimmer got his gig in 2000 (besides 2003 and that defense didnt even cause alot of TOs). Those defenses gave up big plays, predictable, stale and were a read-react type defense.

And guess what the common denominator is....that's right Mike Zimmer.

Im sure you will come back with "Parcells is in charge" but regardless of how things seem, if you dont know what goes on on the sidelines and during meetings, it is impossible for you to know how much control/lack of control Zimmer has.

At the end of the day, all things fall at the feet of Bill Parcells...but I will refuse to give Mike Zimmer a pass and go straight to Bill Parcells.

- Mike G.

 

[joseephuss]

I was laughing about your comment that Vinny was brought in to be the starter. Carter was clearly the starter at that time. Vinny was brought in to be the backup quarterback.

I know. You may disagree with me, but I always knew that Vinny was brought in to be the starter. Even though officially it was said he was brought in to compete and be the veteran back up. No other team wanted Vinny to compete. They may have settled for him as an emergency back up, but no one other than Bill asked him to come in and compete.

I knew Quincy's days were numbered. I had no problem with replacing Quincy, but to do it with Vinny was crazy.

Sure I sound like a crazy conspiracy theorists, but I was saying the same thing when I found out they were pursuing Vinny. I accept that I sound a little off on this topic. Still not as crazy as a team that actually pursues signing Vinny.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Speaking of Vinny being brought in to start (which I don't agree with -- personally I think Parcells was a Quincy fan), what happened to those insider rumors Hos and others had that proved Vinny was going to start all along?

C'mon, Hos, it's been over two years now. Give us the scoop.

 

[Stautner]

Mike Zimmer is the defensive coordinator. Bill Parcells repeatedly bragged on the guy and 3 years ago Mickey said that Parcells said he liked him because he handled the defense kind of like Bill Belichik did (coaching and motivation). Parcells has shown alot of faith in Mike Zimmer and even kept him around when he switched to a 3-4 Defense.

Sure, everything can be blamed on the the Head Coach, because..well he is the Head Coach, but he has coordinators and assistants who have some autonomy and have to be held accountable as well. Some people say Jerry is totally in charge, some people say Bill Parcells is totally in charge. Who calls the plays on offense is sometimes a mystery. Regardless, none of us attend the meetings or are we on the sidelines. So I can only go by who wears the title of Defensive Coordinator.

Heck, why is Zimmer even apart of the staff if he is just sitting there with no accountability.

Besides, Zimmer got his gig in 2000 (besides 2003 and that defense didnt even cause alot of TOs). Those defenses gave up big plays, predictable, stale and were a read-react type defense.

And guess what the common denominator is....that's right Mike Zimmer.

Im sure you will come back with "Parcells is in charge" but regardless of how things seem, if you dont know what goes on on the sidelines and during meetings, it is impossible for you to know how much control/lack of control Zimmer has.

At the end of the day, all things fall at the feet of Bill Parcells...but I will refuse to give Mike Zimmer a pass and go straight to Bill Parcells.

- Mike G.

I never suggested the coordinators have no control. Sure they draw up the game plan and implement it, but it is done according to Parcells guidlines - not independent of Parcells and without his knowledge and blessing.

Truth be known, most coordinators want to be agressive and creative, it's the coach that has to temper the enthusiasm.

The telling thing is this. Remember back to 2003. We had the No. 1 defense in the NFL despite having no pass rush and a number of players who weren't much more than average talents.

We managed that because of an aggressive, all out, blitzing, attacking defense ....... and do you remember who was the defensive coordinator? I'll refresh your memory - it was Zimmer.

The reason Zimmer played it that way was because Parcells knew that the talant he had couldn't succeed any other way - they were too outmanned from a talent standpoint to go toe to toe with opposing offenses. In other words, Parcells turned Zimmer loose and Zimmer did a great job of attacking and somehow adequately covering for the exposed areas in the defense.

Zimmer didn't just suddenly turn soft after the 2003 season - he just coaches in accordance with Bill's wishes.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Speaking of Vinny being brought in to start (which I don't agree with -- personally I think Parcells was a Quincy fan), what happened to those insider rumors Hos and others had that proved Vinny was going to start all along?

C'mon, Hos, it's been over two years now. Give us the scoop.

That's an intersting theory, the one about Parcells possibly being a Quincy fan.

I wouldnt be surprised if that was the case either. But I do think Vinny was brought in to start.

- Mike G.

 

[Stautner]

That's an intersting theory, the one about Parcells possibly being a Quincy fan.

I wouldnt be surprised if that was the case either. But I do think Vinny was brought in to start.

- Mike G.

Quincy was a loose cannon and an inconsistent player - I doubt Parcells was a big fan, and the fact that he brought in Vinny as insurance further testifies to that fact.

Qunicy was, however, Jerry Jones boy - his hand picked future of the team, therefore it's unlikely Parcells could have brought Vinny in to start even if he wanted to. But I do believe Parcells fully expected Quincies deficiencies to reach a point where he had to make a move, and that's why he wanted to have Vinny on the sideline. Qunicy's drug and attitude problems just necessitated that the move be made quicker than Parcells would have expected.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Quincy was a loose cannon and an inconsistent player - I doubt Parcells was a big fan, and the fact that he brought in Vinny as insurance further testifies to that fact.

Loose cannon, yep. Bu Inconsistent? That has been the one constant of every quarterback Parcells has marched onto the field, including quINTsy.

Qunicy was, however, Jerry Jones boy - his hand picked future of the team, therefore it's unlikely Parcells could have brought Vinny in to start even if he wanted to.

Man, What are you talking about? After the 2002 Season, most people fully expected Quincy Carter to be released...everybody talked about it on the Radio and on TV here in Dallas. Many beat writers, most notably Jennifer Floyd Engel (in 2002) wrote about the AZ game 1 in 2002, where Carter threw 4 Interceptions and basically cussed Jerry Jones out on the sidelines and was eventually benched after that. Wade Wilson, the QB coach then, also spoke about this. Quincy Carter was not the GOLDEN BOY when Bill Parcells arrived on the scene in 2003.

But I do believe Parcells fully expected Quincies deficiencies to reach a point where he had to make a move, and that's why he wanted to have Vinny on the sideline. Qunicy's drug and attitude problems just necessitated that the move be made quicker than Parcells would have expected.

That's your opinion. Not fact..but an opinion.

- Mike G.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Article from my old dcz.com site

http://www.michaeldeongreen.com/testing/jfe.htm

- Mike G.