What if Chaz Green didn't have injury issues

[big dog cowboy]

Someone check this thread for copy and paste errors.

 

[Plankton]

I think that Green has the athletic ability and size to be a solid player in the NFL. I also think that he needs a redshirt season to improve his core and lower body strength. I don't think that he is ready to handle the rigors of the NFL on a down to down basis right now, but he does have the athleticism to do so with added strength.

 

[The Realist]

Hmm. Player has an affirmed history of injuries and being soft.

Leaves both practices at rookie minicamp with minor nicks.

Yeah, just unreasonable.

You: oft injured player is a reach that I must support. Leave brain at door.

In fact, the idea this player left for issues in a "non-contact" rookie mini-camp?

That tells me he is not only soft but poorly conditioned as well.

He was 1 of 4-5 players including Gregory. Dez did the same first rookie camp.

If mid round OL don't start right away they are busts. Look at Doug Free. Applies to DL too cuz Crawford is definitely a bust.

 

[Prossman]

1st rounds are expected to start as well as some 2 rounders. From then on they are looked at as 1 year away and up. That's a generality but Green is a 3rd rounder and not expected to start right away. He Is more ready to go than weems or parnell were when they were rookies. It' a little early to throw the bust label on the guy.

 

[Zman5]

Glad we can invest a third round choice on a player that won't contribute any time soon.

We have a 2nd rounder that hasn't contributed much in 2 years so no big deal. That's just how we roll.

Something about this team and 2nd rounders. We never seem to get much production out of them immediately. Hopefully Gregory breaks that bad streak.

 

[dallasdave]

We have a 2nd rounder that hasn't contributed much in 2 years so no big deal. That's just how we roll.

Something about this team and 2nd rounders. We never seem to get much production out of them immediately. Hopefully Gregory breaks that bad streak.

This year might be the end to that streak and Gregory could go on to being an All- Pro at some point.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I remember when people were screaming about how important it is to build both both lines, Cowboys do both and people still complain. I don't see a dozen better oline talents in this past draft than Green.

 

[xwalker]

And you know what, I will be wrong. No question.

Even professionals who "study film" are wrong. If they were not, there would never be any busts in the draft.

Yes, we are not privy to the inner workings of the team and traits they see that fit.

Of course, if you rubber stamp everything the team does and endorse it, you can always claim victory.

Sorry, that is not my game.

If there is something I agree with, I say so. If I do not, based on my limited information.

You of all people should get that as much as you hate the idea that Free and Hayden play huge roles on this team despite all your "film study" that suggests that they shouldn't.

Parnell got more than 2x the total money and guaranteed money that Free got in their new contracts. I was correct. End of story.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

He's looked terrible in rookie mini camp. Laurence Gibson looks better thus far. Still super early .

 

[Idgit]

When you get time, we can go from topic to topic to debate these accusations. It should be fun because we can exchange posts without personal attacks and we have a laugh afterwards. By the way, I still remember you being happy with Costa and you didn't want top picks invested in the line. Lol

You'd probably be surprised if you went back and read some of what I actually said about Phil Costa at the time. I'll go back and dig up a cross section here when I get a bit of time, but it's basically what I always say about not complaining so much if you're getting starting snaps from a college free agent player who's got a chance to develop. That was a guy who went from roster long shot to starter in Dallas, signed a contract extension above the league minimum salary, and then went to another playoff contending team to compete for a starting job when he left. If you don't get too wrapped up in his reputation on CZ, the league is filled with players of his caliber, and there's a place for them on any roster.

It would be interesting to review some of those old topics in a single thread somewhere, though. I'm game whenever.

 

[Doc50]

Cramping in his calf. Keep in mind he had already done a walkthrough in the morning and a training session with Woicik in addition to the meetings before that practice.

When OTA's and minicamps go on and he is not improving then I will be concerned but these rookie practices are about setting expectations and our coaches push and coach hard as heck as opposed to say Coach Cupcake. They let them hydrate but they cannot take a knee and they cannot take off their helmets. Gregory and several others had issues as well that are not getting as much play.

Stuff like this is the foundation they set in building a physical football team that will win the los and finish games. Green may not get his head above water and he has a long way to go but I am not going to worry about it yet.

Exactly. These non-contact drills are nevertheless rigorous, designed to be wake-up call to the level of effort that is expected.

Now, if a player doesn't see it that way and is still out of shape by TC, then that kind of head case probably won't make it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You'd probably be surprised if you went back and read some of what I actually said about Phil Costa at the time. I'll go back and dig up a cross section here when I get a bit of time, but it's basically what I always say about not complaining so much if you're getting starting snaps from a college free agent player who's got a chance to develop. That was a guy who went from roster long shot to starter in Dallas, signed a contract extension above the league minimum salary, and then went to another playoff contending team to compete for a starting job when he left. If you don't get too wrapped up in his reputation on CZ, the league is filled with players of his caliber, and there's a place for them on any roster.

It would be interesting to review some of those old topics in a single thread somewhere, though. I'm game whenever.

I remember because it is a pretty standard football take. Before Costa hurt his back you said you would rather spend resources to improve the defense and to give a young player who was inconsistent a chance to develop. You were encouraged by good play against Ngata and Suh like most people but recognized him lunging and using poor technique. OTOH those were the days where CB, DE, S and ILB were huge issues in our 3-4 and you saw those as bigger fist to fry.

The krew wants to pretend like he was cut in TC but that was not the case. He was scheduled to start but hurt his back and could not play which forced him to retire. His development path was not the same as say AOA who never played well.

Year after he hurt his back was the year we drafted Fred.

 

[Idgit]

I remember because it is a pretty standard football take. Before Costa hurt his back you said you would rather spend resources to improve the defense and to give a young player who was inconsistent a chance to develop. You were encouraged by good play against Ngata and Suh like most people but recognized him lunging and using poor technique. OTOH those were the days where CB, DE, S and ILB were huge issues in our 3-4 and you saw those as bigger fist to fry.

The krew wants to pretend like he was cut in TC but that was not the case. He was scheduled to start but hurt his back and could not play which forced him to retire. His development path was not the same as say AOA who never played well.

Year after he hurt his back was the year we drafted Fred.

That's pretty much how I remember my take. . He only played 10 quarters or so in 2012, which makes things a bit harder to diagnose, since we did nothing but hear the guy lambasted from 2011 on. But OG/OCs can be found in the middle rounds and in UDRFA (Hello Leary. Hello Collins--I know..he's an exception). I'd still rather take a big college OT and move him inside and give him the benefit of a better weight program and save those #1 picks for DL or skill position players you can't get elsewhere. We've had some good fortune repairing our old DL really quickly on the fly, but it's come with either risks like Gregory or Hardy, or by taking an even longer-odds shot at a guy like Crawford. That's low-probability football, and not the way I want to see us systematically building the team.

Either way, though, I'm still sort of pinching myself on the job we've done in the trenches. Hitting on all the OLs sure helps. And getting a bluebird with Hardy and Gregory this season was just awesome. If we hit on Lawrence, we're in pretty good shape, assuming we can also keep some of these guys going forward.