What if Chaz Green didn't have injury issues

[ThreeandOut]

Fans and the draft media love high upside players and forget about the value of ready-now players. IMO, a player that can contribute as a rookie has to be moved up the draft board relative to a player with similar physical talent that has no chance to be ready as a rookie. I can see a team moving a player up as much as 1 full round for being ready now.

Also, versatility is valued much more by NFL teams than by fans and the media.

 

[dallasdave]

Alexander is one of the best posters on any of these boards. He doesn't need cheerleaders. He has common sense and reality on his side. I am just a fan. It takes five posters to gang up on him and he still owns the thread.

Well said indeed sir, stay thirsty my friend.

 

[Idgit]

There is not much to post about when the team is winning??? That make no sense. It only makes sense if you can only post about things that are negative.

This is how I feel. It's much more fun talking football the week after a win than it is the week after a loss. Especially if there's not so much crow to eat. Everybody's nice to each other, and everything. Though I have to admit, the Superbowl talk after a three game winning streak always makes me wince, too. Fans get excited and just can't help themselves.

But back to your topic, this was posted in another thread, but it bears cross-referencing. It's a nice counterpoint to the worries from the rookie minicamp:

 

[jnday]

There is not much to post about when the team is winning??? That make no sense. It only makes sense if you can only post about things that are negative.

I have read many positive post of his about the good things that went on last year on this board and others. Like several posters, the positive posts are long forgotten because there was no debate.

 

[dallasdave]

Alexander is one of the best posters on any of these boards. He doesn't need cheerleaders. He has common sense and reality on his side. I am just a fan. It takes five posters to gang up on him and he still owns the thread.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Don't want to talk about why he actually went off the field but just want to cheer huh? Now we just need to get dallasdave to do the hammer emote a few times and it can be even sides!

Your krew's rationalizations are amusing, 99.5%.

You say he is based in reality. I say the reality was different than the nicks he claimed as he was not injured. Your response is to go on repeat. Nice. Now you can send me more nasty PMs and demand to know whats wrong with me.

Call me Trollstradamus.

 

[speedkilz88]

Call me Trollstradamus.

 

[Idgit]

I remember you saying several times that Frederick couldn't play in a Zone blocking scheme right up to the draft. We had that debate for several days. I don't think it is hard to find topics that each of us we wrong about. Alexander has been right much more than wrong. If it wasn't true, it wouldn't take several of you guys to debate a point with him. The same thing applies to Risen Star.

That's just silly. I've been one-v.-many on so many topics I can't even recall them. I happened to be right in most of them just because I usually am. It had nothing to do with how many people I was debating.

But there's very little doubt Risen and Alex have been wrong about just about everything they've posted re: Jason Garrett, the scouting department and it's reorganization, about how the team went about systematically rebuilding the OL, about the value of CBs in the NFL. About the plans and the attention given to the DL. About Jerry and Co's ability to show fiscal restraint in the Garrett era. These are probably the most-debated topics in the Zone over the last three years, and they were on the wrong side of every single one of them.

Not to mention smaller topics like the ability of Tryone Crawford, the play of Doug Free, the upside for Anthony Hitchens, the ability of Rolando McClain to have a significant impact. The value of journeymen players like Justin Durant and McKenzie Bernardeau. The value of brining in Bill Callhan for the zone blocking scheme. The value of Rod Marinelli.

Seriously, the stuff they get wrong is just too significant to mention. And, individually, they don't own it. This is why they have the reputation they do. Now, some fans enjoy that kind of harping during the period where things are getting built. Especially if they don't see the progress themselves. That's fine, because that's the nature of a message board again, but, in retrospect, let's not pretend any of that stuff was accurate. Risen and Alexander are the Batman and Robin of being wrong about football, and it's all in the search history in black and white.

 

[Idgit]

And...as much fun as this off-topic back and forth has been--and I know I'm lobbing a few grenades here myself...I've got to take my lady to dinner. Please, everybody, be nice to each other. And wander back in the direction of the thread topic if you can. Sorry to do my part putting a little fuel on a fire and to bail immediately. My apologies to whichever mods clean this up if you guys don't take my advice and play nice.

 

[xwalker]

This is how I feel. It's much more fun talking football the week after a win than it is the week after a loss. Especially if there's not so much crow to eat. Everybody's nice to each other, and everything. Though I have to admit, the Superbowl talk after a three game winning streak always makes me wince, too. Fans get excited and just can't help themselves.

But back to your topic, this was posted in another thread, but it bears cross-referencing. It's a nice counterpoint to the worries from the rookie minicamp:

Yep, that's a great stat line.

In 556 snaps last season at Florida, #Cowboys 3rd-rounder Chaz Green didn't allow a sack and had no holding or falst start penalties.

 

[Idgit]

I came back after a long absence with no hard feelings towards you fro things that said on other boards. You accused me of stalking you when in truth, I may have responded to one of your post. I shouldn't have sent you the PM , but I was surprised that you felt the need to tattle. As I said, i am through debating you or having any conversations with you on any subject. I am trying to be nice about this. We can go to another board if you want to argue, but I really don't care to even have the conversation there.

And..thanks. Please take him up on this, Fuzz. Happy Saturday, all.

 

[xwalker]

He knows that. He is just trolling. Thing I have come to realize that as much as I find the condescending dismissive tone that they use towards 'Zoners' as they call us irritating, they really hate it coming back at them more. They flip the golden rule.

They aren't going to argue on merit. They aren't going to be respectful. They aren't going to ever admit that they were wrong. After all these years it isn't going to change so I refuse to sweat it anymore.

I wonder if they are really Cowboys fans.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You two knock it off

 

[jnday]

He's an easy target as people wanted a RB at that spot and he has an injury history and then had trouble in the mini camp. He's a whipping boy now. The only thing that matters, though, is if he can play. There's nothing we can do about dislike for a draft pick who hasn't even put on his pads yet.

Bear in mind, the crew you mention was fond of calling Doug Free slop for years, too. Until he wasn't and they denied it. And by 'they' I mean Risen Star, who I assume you're referring to. I don't think they're serious. I think they do it to rile up the locals and giggle about it after. But you never know.

Doug Free is still a player that can and should be upgraded. He was slop at LT and his lack of upper body strength is still a problem . He had a good year last season by his standards , but he is still the weak link on this line.

 

[jnday]

You two knock it off

I am trying to do that now.

 

[Moderately_Askew]

That's just silly. I've been one-v.-many on so many topics I can't even recall them. I happened to be right in most of them just because I usually am. It had nothing to do with how many people I was debating.

But there's very little doubt Risen and Alex have been wrong about just about everything they've posted re: Jason Garrett, the scouting department and it's reorganization, about how the team went about systematically rebuilding the OL, about the value of CBs in the NFL. About the plans and the attention given to the DL. About Jerry and Co's ability to show fiscal restraint in the Garrett era. These are probably the most-debated topics in the Zone over the last three years, and they were on the wrong side of every single one of them.

Not to mention smaller topics like the ability of Tryone Crawford, the play of Doug Free, the upside for Anthony Hitchens, the ability of Rolando McClain to have a significant impact. The value of journeymen players like Justin Durant and McKenzie Bernardeau. The value of brining in Bill Callhan for the zone blocking scheme. The value of Rod Marinelli.

Seriously, the stuff they get wrong is just too significant to mention. And, individually, they don't own it. This is why they have the reputation they do. Now, some fans enjoy that kind of harping during the period where things are getting built. Especially if they don't see the progress themselves. That's fine, because that's the nature of a message board again, but, in retrospect, let's not pretend any of that stuff was accurate. Risen and Alexander are the Batman and Robin of being wrong about football, and it's all in the search history in black and white.

I think this is one of my favorite posts on this site, ever. There would not be as much animosity towards them if they actually took the time to admit they were wrong every once in a while. Instead they bombard this message board with their opinions they market as truth and lay waste to everything in their path.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Green is almost irrelevant since we acquired Collins. Plus if he couldn't even hack rookie mini camp without issues, I really don't count on him for anything.

Collins is going to play guard in the pros, not tackle and Leary is gone in a year...Green is Irrelevant???, who's the backup tackle then, who's going to groom to take over for Free in two years??? Parnell isn't here anymore and Weems is just a guy, Parnell played last year when Free was down with his foot..some of you guys don't think past the starters, teams that win have depth at as many positions as possible, there's always injuries, it's myopic to view Green as irrelevant..,...I guess Dez should be cut too under your ridiculous logic since he couldn't hack his first orientation camp when he was dehydrated and puking and left the field...These guys haven't played a real football game in 5 plus month's and haven't been on a field for a football practice....

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I am trying to do that now.

Sorry... The star wars geek and force in me makes me post...

 

[muck4doo]

As far as trolls go, I have never seen Risen or Alexander troll this site. They may have different opinions than you, but from what I've always seen they love the Cowboys. Stop with the accusations. They have their opinions on which direction the team should go, I have my opinions on which direction the team should go, you have your opinion on which way the team will go. In the end, we are not Cowboys FO. They will go the direction they will go. That's what they get the big bucks for. We're here just discussing what they are doing.

All of our observances and opinions and conjectures are really to discuss the team we all love and keep ourselves entertained during this long off season. There is no conspiracy, no trolling, just someone has a different opinion than you. Handle it like an adult, and stop accusing others of trolling.

 

[JBell]

That's just silly. I've been one-v.-many on so many topics I can't even recall them. I happened to be right in most of them just because I usually am. It had nothing to do with how many people I was debating.

But there's very little doubt Risen and Alex have been wrong about just about everything they've posted re: Jason Garrett, the scouting department and it's reorganization, about how the team went about systematically rebuilding the OL, about the value of CBs in the NFL. About the plans and the attention given to the DL. About Jerry and Co's ability to show fiscal restraint in the Garrett era. These are probably the most-debated topics in the Zone over the last three years, and they were on the wrong side of every single one of them.

Not to mention smaller topics like the ability of Tryone Crawford, the play of Doug Free, the upside for Anthony Hitchens, the ability of Rolando McClain to have a significant impact. The value of journeymen players like Justin Durant and McKenzie Bernardeau. The value of brining in Bill Callhan for the zone blocking scheme. The value of Rod Marinelli.

Seriously, the stuff they get wrong is just too significant to mention. And, individually, they don't own it. This is why they have the reputation they do. Now, some fans enjoy that kind of harping during the period where things are getting built. Especially if they don't see the progress themselves. That's fine, because that's the nature of a message board again, but, in retrospect, let's not pretend any of that stuff was accurate. Risen and Alexander are the Batman and Robin of being wrong about football, and it's all in the search history in black and white.

This is why I wish we could bump old threads.